Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Bobtheman

trapp wrote: »

Dear oh dear my poor friend that would never have happened so we'll never know.

Easing restrictions doesn't mean no restrictions at all and free reign

Wake up my man

Have they not enforced anything in Sweden? The way this is presented is confusing. About 30k people would have died anyway most years in Ireland . THUS how much more people would have died if we had followed sweden. or just let it rip?? 'm not saying that was ever an option. Obviously I'm being hypothetical. But I think it's a valid question?

Bobtheman

nthclare wrote: »

I've never been so relaxed in my adult life, I suppose it's easy for me to say, as I live down a country boreen, have to drive 8 k once a week to the local supermarket and can take in the fresh air, zoom gatherings with my family and friends etc.
A river running close by and open spaces.

I was working since I was 16 through secondary school, college and in the same job since I graduated in 1995.

Living alone but fck me, I really feel sorry for people who have no where to run or hide away and get some personal space.
Especially if you're introverted by nature.

My dream since I was a kid was to have my own house in the Burren, living in solitude and have a few friends and be in contact with my family.

I could never follow the herd, no matter how much I tried I just didn't fit in.

Being in a crowd I felt lonely and when I'm on my own I feel good, people's mental health is very important.

And I don't think the government is taking people's mental health into consideration here.

I'd say there's a lot of people living with the four horsemen of the apocalypse all around them, especially men and women in abusive marriage's..

Imagine some poor timid woman living with a brute, and he being a lazy, moody, useless bastard.
Not even able to hang a picture or put out a wash.

Can you picture it, he hanging the washing out all crumpled looking, and creased instead of putting it out neatly.
Of not able to dig a hole in the garden or wire a plugin...

But he's a great coder

The burren is terribly terribly boring and full of people wearing bad jumpers and playing **** traditional music
Despite having about 100 people there you probably have a local TD demanding a cardiac unit near the local pub which is probably a **** hole when open ��

trapp

Bobtheman wrote: »

Have they not enforced anything in Sweden? The way this is presented is confusing. About 30k people would have died anyway most years in Ireland . THUS how much more people would have died if we had followed sweden. or just let it rip. I'm not saying that was ever an option. Obviously I'm being hypothetical. But I think it's a valid point

Following Sweden is what we will do in time I'd expect.

Agree with you on the way it is presented.

90 people die in average in this country every day.

Will more die with the coronavirus, most certainly yes.

But our biggest problem is our stupid media and the idiotic journalists reporting nonsense every week and being unable to present facts in context

Penfailed

trapp wrote: »

Lukey my poor friend you're still here and as negative as ever I see?

Still waiting for your explanation as to how this virus affects children and young people just as much as our older population as you stated despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I do agree with some of your thoughts and comments but I feel you don't a good grasp of human spirit and mentality like myself and other posters.

We are warm people who value interaction with others and base our lives around it.

And ultimately the human need for friendship and companionship will overcome the fear of death.

It always has done my poor man and it always will.

In any case Leo doesn't have the credibility to impose any kind of further restriction on the population my poor friend.

He just doesn't have the authority needed as proven by the election and neither do the gardai.

This lockdown my poor friend has been consented to by the people.

We now need to start moving towards living alongside the virus.

Life will be hard and people will die, but the human need for purpose, to be able to work and socialise and live together will overcome it and beat it.

People die all the time my poor friend, no point waiting for it to come.

As restrictions are lifted I urge you my poor man to lose the tinfoil and live a little.

I must say I commend the work you are doing helping the vulnerable with food deliveries.

These kind of services will be essential as restrictions begin to ease.

But don't be so negative and fearful my poor man, we'll all die sometime anyway.

A warm people...yet your post reeks of condescension and patronising poor friend/poor man repetition.

trapp

Penfailed wrote: »

A warm people...yet your post reeks of condescension and patronising poor friend/poor man repetition.

As a nation we are warm people.

This isolation goes against our culture of friendship and companionship.

We will continue with social distancing to save lives but restrictions need to be eased too to avoid destroying lives.

SusieBlue

I can only speak for myself but I feel a lot safer going out to the supermarket, to collect a takeaway etc. now than I did 6 weeks ago.
I went back on my calendar last night and realised I actually went into voluntary lockdown myself the weekend of the 22nd of February.
I did this because deniers were still rife, no one was really paying attention to social distancing and most businesses hadn’t made any adjustments to their operations. No one was yet paying attention to the data coming out of other countries.
So since then I haven’t left the house, only to buy food or medicine. I simply didn’t feel safe.

Now though, people get it. For the most part the guidelines are observed.
Yes there are a few people who are still ignoring them, but they are getting the wrath of Joe Soap for it. It isn’t socially acceptable and those that break the rules are judged harshly for their actions in the court of public opinion.
When I go to the shop, people keep away. People wear gloves and the majority carry hand sanitiser with them. They cough into their elbows & some wear masks.
I’m not scared any more.

I am still observing the current rules, I haven’t broken them once and don’t intend to do so either. But this is now week 9 for me.
I have more than done my bit, I have more than played my part.
I am suffering immensely under the current restrictions, I miss my family and I sorely miss my friends.
I miss being productive member of society and having a job. I miss being able to distract myself from my anxiety by going to the gym, calling to a friend, going for a spin or meeting my cousin for coffee.
I miss my old life. I know some people were never sociable and are introvert by nature and they might be enjoying this time but this is torture for me.

I and many others are sacrificing A LOT by obeying the government and the fact that this is repeatedly belittled & dismissed is infuriating.

I will continue to do as I’m asked but unless some hope is given on the 5th I’m not sure how long I’ll be able to keep this up.
It’s going to get to the point where I will have to prioritise my own well-being and if that’s means I’m breaking the rules by visiting my family/friends, then so be it.

drunkmonkey

We're now at 5,064 healthcare workers with it, out of a total 18,431, how many of that 13,367 are friends, family and patients of health care workers? Why are no journalists asking that question? Why are health care workers still allowed to come back to the community after work?

nthclare

Bobtheman wrote: »

The burren is terribly terribly boring and full of people wearing bad jumpers and playing **** traditional music

And what about it, it couldn't be worse than bad people wearing Cheap Ralph Lauren or Tommy Hilfiger jumpers made in sweat shop's at the expenses of cheap labour, sold in high streets in Ireland ten times the price of the same item in TK Mack's in New York.
Anyhow most of my clothes are either Barbour Bellstaff, Redwing Iron Ranger's none of that middle class rubbish....

Hand knit or factory knit, there's four spades take your pick.

The Burren is boring to people who don't like, scenery, good food, music, surfing, angling, relaxing, hiking and fresh air.

I'd prefer my lifestyle than whatever you propose is a better way of living...

Each to their own.

trapp

SusieBlue wrote: »

I can only speak for myself but I feel a lot safer going out to the supermarket, to collect a takeaway etc. now than I did 6 weeks ago.
I went back on my calendar last night and realised I actually went into voluntary lockdown myself the weekend of the 22nd of February.
I did this because deniers were still rife, no one was really paying attention to social distancing and most businesses hadn’t made any adjustments to their operations. No one was yet paying attention to the data coming out of other countries.
So since then I haven’t left the house, only to buy food or medicine. I simply didn’t feel safe.

Now though, people get it. For the most part the guidelines are observed.
Yes there are a few people who are still ignoring them, but they are getting the wrath of Joe Soap for it. It isn’t socially acceptable and those that break the rules are judged harshly for their actions in the court of public opinion.
When I go to the shop, people keep away. People wear gloves and the majority carry hand sanitiser with them. They cough into their elbows & some wear masks.
I’m not scared any more.

I am still observing the current rules, I haven’t broken them once and don’t intend to do so either. But this is now week 9 for me.
I have more than done my bit, I have more than played my part.
I am suffering immensely under the current restrictions, I miss my family and I sorely miss my friends.
I miss being productive member of society and having a job. I miss being able to distract myself from my anxiety by going to the gym, calling to a friend, going for a spin or meeting my cousin for coffee.
I miss my old life. I know some people were never sociable and are introvert by nature and they might be enjoying this time but this is torture for me.

I and many others are sacrificing A LOT by obeying the government and the fact that this is repeatedly belittled & dismissed is infuriating.

I will continue to do as I’m asked but unless some hope is given on the 5th I’m not sure how long I’ll be able to keep this up.
It’s going to get to the point where I will have to prioritise my own well-being and if that’s means I’m breaking the rules by visiting my family/friends, then so be it.

This is how so many are feeling.

It's time to move on with trying to live again.

growleaves

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/france-public-support-for-strict-coronavirus-lockdown-drops-below-50-percent

Stay sane folks.

easypazz

Bobtheman wrote: »

The burren is terribly terribly boring

Yeah that walk from Fanore beach, up along the green road, rising high above the sea with breath taking views over the Aran Islands, then sweeping around into Galway bay with views of Galway city and Connemara and the wild ocean is pretty sh1t alright.

nthclare

Bobtheman wrote: »

The burren is terribly terribly boring and full of people wearing bad jumpers and playing **** traditional music
Despite having about 100 people there you probably have a local TD demanding a cardiac unit near the local pub which is probably a **** hole when open ��

Can you say that with your middle class accent, I'd love to hear your version of it.
I'd say you're one of those crowd, you are aren't you..

I bet you have coffee in The Canal Bank there off Ballsbridge, yourself and Fiacra and Oisine, been there a few times on business up to the big smoke....I know the Sh1t your type's sohluttur...

stephenjmcd

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We're now at 5,064 healthcare workers with it, out of a total 18,431, how many of that 13,367 are friends, family and patients of health care workers? Why are no journalists asking that question? Why are health care workers still allowed to come back to the community after work?

So yesterday was 4,847 meaning 217 in 1 day. You'd have to assume thats down to nursing homes firstly. What a complete and utter mess. They were so focused on getting the general population to comply that the long term residential care settings were completely forgotten about.

easypazz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We're now at 5,064 healthcare workers with it, out of a total 18,431, how many of that 13,367 are friends, family and patients of health care workers? Why are no journalists asking that question? Why are health care workers still allowed to come back to the community after work?

Yeah we should shoot them to stop the spread.:rolleyes:

Infected vermin the lot of them.

growleaves

FT says Maryland is pushing ahead with reopening economy but doesn't give details beyond a headline.

nthclare

easypazz wrote: »

Yeah that walk from Fanore beach, up along the green road, rising high above the sea with breath taking views over the Aran Islands, then sweeping around into Galway bay with views of Galway city and Connemara and the wild ocean is pretty sh1t alright.

He's the man, probably prefers standing around in his rugger jersey and deck shoes telling his latest date how greashe his loife is, and she's looking outside losing the will to live...

Imagine thinking the Burren is full of wolly jumper's, bad music etc

FFS it's easy to distinguish the classes in this thread.

Millennials and their ideas of a good time, one bed apartment dweller's with a sliver of sunlight coming through maybe 37 minutes a day working 60 hrs a week for that..

gozunda

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We're now at 5,064 healthcare workers with it, out of a total 18,431, how many of that 13,367 are friends, family and patients of health care workers? Why are no journalists asking that question? Why are health care workers still allowed to come back to the community after work?

Source?

RugbyLad11

easypazz wrote: »

Yeah we should shoot them to stop the spread.:rolleyes:

Infected vermin the lot of them.

Maybe it's bit extreme but it could be an option down the line

drunkmonkey

gozunda wrote: »

Source?

Irish Times

easypazz

nthclare wrote: »

He's the man, probably prefers standing around in his rugger jersey and deck shoes telling his latest date how greashe his loife is, and she's looking outside losing the will to live...

Imagine thinking the Burren is full of wolly jumper's, bad music etc

FFS it's easy to distinguish the classes in this thread.

Millennials and their ideas of a good time, one bed apartment dweller's with a sliver of sunlight coming through maybe 37 minutes a day working 60 hrs a week for that..

Loikes a waulk doun da dudder wutching de shooopping troolleys dumpd uff ull de brodges unto da ruver

(first time trying to write a D4 accent so apologies if its not great)

polesheep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So yesterday was 4,847 meaning 217 in 1 day. You'd have to assume thats down to nursing homes firstly. What a complete and utter mess. They were so focused on getting the general population to comply that the long term residential care settings were completely forgotten about.

They quarantined the strong and left the weak exposed.

JTMan

Some good news from South Korea via the WSJ here (paywall).

The government allowed places of worship, gyms and entertainment venues such as clubs to reopen, provided there is no crowding, people wear face masks and facilities keep records of those in attendance and monitor their health conditions, such as by taking their temperatures.When Lee Young-ha went to the gym for the first time in weeks, she was required to sanitize her hands, take her temperature twice and exercise with a mask on.

But South Korea has only succeeded with this because they are "relying on aggressive testing and contact-tracing policies". Officials trace close contacts of infected people - an automated process that takes less than 10 minutes.

scamalert

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Irish Times

correction:active cases 8,942 currently not 18k.

drunkmonkey

easypazz wrote: »

Yeah we should shoot them to stop the spread.:rolleyes:

Infected vermin the lot of them.

Your not getting this, take my friend for example, working a few days a week in a hospital with Covid wards and the rest in the maternity hospital, returns home after work probably picks up a bit of shopping on the way, there kids and husband are out any about while there at work. Can you not see the issue with them returning back to the the community after work every day.
Isn't it quite obvious at this stage or are you of the mind that none of the 5000+ health care workers have infected anyone.

I do think we need to get real and wake up to what the numbers are telling us.

drunkmonkey

scamalert wrote: »

correction:active cases 8,942 currently not 18k.

Total 18k so about half dead or recovered.

easypazz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your not getting this, take my friend for example, working a few days a week in a hospital with Covid wards and the rest in the maternity hospital, returns home after work probably picks up a bit of shopping on the way, there kids and husband are out any about while there at work. Can you not see the issue with them returning back to the the community after work every day.
Isn't it quite obvious at this stage or are you of the mind that none of the 5000+ health care workers have infected anyone.

I do think we need to get real and wake up to what the numbers are telling us.

That scenario is unacceptable, if you are in a COVID ward you should not be in any other ward.

I know a healthcare worker who was sent to city west to quarantine when infected.

I would expect regular testing and when they get home they isolate away from the rest of the family and if positive test the rest of the family who will have maintained distancing from everybody else anyway so it didn't spread.

polesheep

easypazz wrote: »

That scenario is unacceptable, if you are in a COVID ward you should not be in any other ward.

I know a healthcare worker who was sent to city west to quarantine when infected.

I would expect regular testing and when they get home they isolate away from the rest of the family and if positive test the rest of the family who will have maintained distancing from everybody else anyway so it didn't spread.

This is more or less how it works. Although testing is done in response to symptoms.

polesheep

easypazz wrote: »

That scenario is unacceptable, if you are in a COVID ward you should not be in any other ward.

I know a healthcare worker who was sent to city west to quarantine when infected.

I would expect regular testing and when they get home they isolate away from the rest of the family and if positive test the rest of the family who will have maintained distancing from everybody else anyway so it didn't spread.

It's important to remember that staff in the hospitals are trained in using PPE and in the prevention of infection spread. They stick to the protocols. The big issue is the nursing homes, where the majority of staff are assistants with minimum training. And, as we know, feck all PPE.

BanditLuke

SusieBlue wrote: »

I can only speak for myself but I feel a lot safer going out to the supermarket, to collect a takeaway etc. now than I did 6 weeks ago.
I went back on my calendar last night and realised I actually went into voluntary lockdown myself the weekend of the 22nd of February.
I did this because deniers were still rife, no one was really paying attention to social distancing and most businesses hadn’t made any adjustments to their operations. No one was yet paying attention to the data coming out of other countries.
So since then I haven’t left the house, only to buy food or medicine. I simply didn’t feel safe.

Now though, people get it. For the most part the guidelines are observed.
Yes there are a few people who are still ignoring them, but they are getting the wrath of Joe Soap for it. It isn’t socially acceptable and those that break the rules are judged harshly for their actions in the court of public opinion.
When I go to the shop, people keep away. People wear gloves and the majority carry hand sanitiser with them. They cough into their elbows & some wear masks.
I’m not scared any more.

I am still observing the current rules, I haven’t broken them once and don’t intend to do so either. But this is now week 9 for me.
I have more than done my bit, I have more than played my part.
I am suffering immensely under the current restrictions, I miss my family and I sorely miss my friends.
I miss being productive member of society and having a job. I miss being able to distract myself from my anxiety by going to the gym, calling to a friend, going for a spin or meeting my cousin for coffee.
I miss my old life. I know some people were never sociable and are introvert by nature and they might be enjoying this time but this is torture for me.

I and many others are sacrificing A LOT by obeying the government and the fact that this is repeatedly belittled & dismissed is infuriating.

I will continue to do as I’m asked but unless some hope is given on the 5th I’m not sure how long I’ll be able to keep this up.
It’s going to get to the point where I will have to prioritise my own well-being and if that’s means I’m breaking the rules by visiting my family/friends, then so be it.

That you would put family and friends at risk because of your own well being isn't good enough. We all miss our old life and are sacrificing A LOT.

Stay at home. Stay safe amd support the HSE.

drunkmonkey

easypazz wrote: »

That scenario is unacceptable, if you are in a COVID ward you should not be in any other ward.

I know a healthcare worker who was sent to city west to quarantine when infected.

I would expect regular testing and when they get home they isolate away from the rest of the family and if positive test the rest of the family who will have maintained distancing from everybody else anyway so it didn't spread.

This is from a regional hospital to a maternity hospital, madness.
There is no isolating going on at home, that's pretty much impossible to do and even more impossible to police.
Looking at the numbers they need to keep out of the community for a few weeks. That's going to be very tough on them but it needs to happen.