Relaxation of restrictions Part II

polesheep

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This is from a regional hospital to a maternity hospital, madness.
There is no isolating going on at home, that's pretty much impossible to do and even more impossible to police.
Looking at the numbers they need to keep out of the community for a few weeks. That's going to be very tough on them but it needs to happen.

My wife works in a hospital nursing Covid-19 patients. I do not feel any additional risk. I trust her professionalism and that of her colleagues.

polesheep

drunkmonkey wrote: »

This is from a regional hospital to a maternity hospital, madness.
There is no isolating going on at home, that's pretty much impossible to do and even more impossible to police.
Looking at the numbers they need to keep out of the community for a few weeks. That's going to be very tough on them but it needs to happen.

They are only required to isolate if they have symptoms. If they cannot isolate at home they are offered an alternative.

drunkmonkey

polesheep wrote: »

My wife works in a hospital nursing Covid-19 patients. I do not feel any additional risk. I trust her professionalism and that of her colleagues.

Not a pop at your wife but there have being short comings across the health services and not just in nursing homes.
You do see there is a significant risk though? Infections in hospitals were a problem long before Covid.

drunkmonkey

polesheep wrote: »

They are only required to isolate if they have symptoms. If they cannot isolate at home they are offered an alternative.

and if there asymptomatic super spreaders?

SusieBlue

BanditLuke wrote: »

That you would put family and friends at risk because of your own well being isn't good enough. We all miss our old life and are sacrificing A LOT.

Stay at home. Stay safe amd support the HSE.

Get down off your high horse, I obviously wouldn’t show up unannounced at someone’s house.
The reality of it is that many of my friends and family feel the exact same way as I do so if I were to do it, they would be consenting willing participants.

This virtue signalling cliches about saving lives and the HSE is getting really old, I have been staying home, I have been staying safe and I have supported the HSE.
I have willingly sacrificed my job, my well-being and my mental health for 9 weeks now.
I now need an exit plan and I need some hope.
You are the extremely delusional if you think this kind of life is sustainable, practical, or healthy in its own right, because it isn’t.
We’re going to have a whole new set of problems in a few months as a result of these restrictions. And I don’t mean economic ones.

You don’t seem to have a shred of empathy or compassion for the thousands of people whose lives have been turned upside down by this pandemic, instead you arrogantly lecture us as if we’re bold children who need to be put in their place.
It’s beyond patronising and patience is wearing thin.

How you think the Irish people will just accept this and do as their told for an indefinite amount of months, with no hope or end in sight is laughable. It won’t happen.

polesheep

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not a pop at your wife but there have being short comings across the health services and not just in nursing homes.
You do see there is a significant risk though? Infections in hospitals were a problem long before Covid.

Infections were a big problem some time ago, but they did manage to sort that out.
I'm no fan of the HSE, it's a monstrosity, however, it's packed with brilliant people. The blame for the HSE lies with the politicians that created it and the many politicians that have failed to replace it with a properly functioning service.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BanditLuke wrote: »

That you would put family and friends at risk because of your own well being isn't good enough. We all miss our old life and are sacrificing A LOT.

Stay at home. Stay safe amd support the HSE.

That post should ram it home to you: people ARE willing to "play their part" as you put it, and have been. People, however are NOT willing to sacrifice their lives - nor should they be expected to.

This is the second time I've had to call you out in the fact that this is fact a blatant contradiction to a lot of people.

polesheep

drunkmonkey wrote: »

and if there asymptomatic super spreaders?

The only solution to that is to regularly test all of the staff and we don't have the facilities to do that.

trapp

SusieBlue wrote: »

Get down off your high horse, I obviously wouldn’t show up unannounced at someone’s house.
The reality of it is that many of my friends and family feel the exact same way as I do so if I were to do it, they would be consenting willing participants.

This virtue signalling cliches about saving lives and the HSE is getting really old, I have been staying home, I have been staying safe and I have supported the HSE.
I have willingly sacrificed my job, my well-being and my mental health for 9 weeks now.
I now need an exit plan and I need some hope.
You are the extremely delusional if you think this kind of life is sustainable, practical, or healthy in its own right, because it isn’t.
We’re going to have a whole new set of problems in a few months as a result of these restrictions. And I don’t mean economic ones.

You don’t seem to have a shred of empathy or compassion for the thousands of people whose lives have been turned upside down by this pandemic, instead you arrogantly lecture us as if we’re bold children who need to be put in their place.
It’s beyond patronising and patience is wearing thin.

How you think the Irish people will just accept this and do as their told for an indefinite amount of months, with no hope or end in sight is laughable. It won’t happen.

Fully agree with you but I would strongly caution against engaging with my poor friend luke the bandit

He doesn't understand or want to understand reality.

We will come through this and get back to our lives, it will be a slow process but we will get there step by step

We need this hope now and we need to start working, meeting our friends again albeit being very careful

KrustyUCC

Gael23 wrote: »

Heard that the 2km rule will be extended to 5km but not sure that’s accurate

That's not goina make much of a difference to anybody but better than nothing

trapp

BanditLuke wrote: »

That you would put family and friends at risk because of your own well being isn't good enough. We all miss our old life and are sacrificing A LOT.

Stay at home. Stay safe amd support the HSE.

We're all going to be living with risk in our lives from now on my poor friend.

That's the new reality

We can mitigate the risk greatly and we will but the effects of society not opening up will be worse, much much worse my man and worse than you could imagine.

But we will open up my friend because in the end the human need for friendship overcomes the fear of death.

It always has and always will

You have a lot to learn about life and the joys of living my poor friend.

I urge you to open your mind and stop being so negative about life.

PS the stay home, stay safe, support the hse comments are becoming just slightly a bit tiresome my poor man

drunkmonkey

polesheep wrote: »

Infections were a big problem some time ago, but they did manage to sort that out.
I'm no fan of the HSE, it's a monstrosity, however, it's packed with brilliant people. The blame for the HSE lies with the politicians that created it and the many politicians that have failed to replace it with a properly functioning service.

They were a problem 2 years ago, my dad died from an infection that spread through the hospital, I wasn't allowed into see him for a week, the staff were going into the large ward in full ppe, when I was eventually allowed in I had to wear ppe, it attacked his lungs just like Covid and he was put on a ventilator he never came off it, was meant to be for 24hrs. He drove down and walked into the hospital himself. My aunt nearly died a few years before spent a long time recovering and had to retire early.
These health care worker numbers aren't surprising from what I've witnessed first hand.

gozunda

SusieBlue wrote: »

Get down off your high horse, I obviously wouldn’t show up unannounced at someone’s house.
The reality of it is that many of my friends and family feel the exact same way as I do so if I were to do it, they would be consenting willing participants.

This virtue signalling cliches about saving lives and the HSE is getting really old, I have been staying home, I have been staying safe and I have supported the HSE.
I have willingly sacrificed my job, my well-being and my mental health for 9 weeks now.
I now need an exit plan and I need some hope.
You are the extremely delusional if you think this kind of life is sustainable, practical, or healthy in its own right, because it isn’t.
We’re going to have a whole new set of problems in a few months as a result of these restrictions. And I don’t mean economic ones.

You don’t seem to have a shred of empathy or compassion for the thousands of people whose lives have been turned upside down by this pandemic, instead you arrogantly lecture us as if we’re bold children who need to be put in their place.
It’s beyond patronising and patience is wearing thin.

How you think the Irish people will just accept this and do as their told for an indefinite amount of months, with no hope or end in sight is laughable. It won’t happen.

Wow. From isolating before it was mandated - you're now moving to a stance of fek them?

Of course its about not over running our health services and reducing rates of infection in the community.

That wont just evaporate because some people are fed up or bored.

The restrictions will be rolled back when it is deemed safe to do so. When is that exactly? No one has the answer as It depends on so many factors.

Question: Did you give up your job voluntarily at the time you chose to isolate in February?

Del Boy

Over 700 more cases today this makes me wonder what the hell is going on. There was over 900 new cases two days ago.....which I put down to testing the nursing homes. But these numbers not going down is frustrating.

We've been locked up for weeks.

Garda check points are a joke IMO. Tell them anything and they wave you on. We need better enforcement if we're going to get back to normal.

Not feeling confident about much change come 5th May. Many countries have outlined their plans for 4th May when they reopen but nothing here. Looks like another extension to me.

road_high

SusieBlue wrote: »

Get down off your high horse, I obviously wouldn’t show up unannounced at someone’s house.
The reality of it is that many of my friends and family feel the exact same way as I do so if I were to do it, they would be consenting willing participants.

This virtue signalling cliches about saving lives and the HSE is getting really old, I have been staying home, I have been staying safe and I have supported the HSE.
I have willingly sacrificed my job, my well-being and my mental health for 9 weeks now.
I now need an exit plan and I need some hope.
You are the extremely delusional if you think this kind of life is sustainable, practical, or healthy in its own right, because it isn’t.
We’re going to have a whole new set of problems in a few months as a result of these restrictions. And I don’t mean economic ones.

You don’t seem to have a shred of empathy or compassion for the thousands of people whose lives have been turned upside down by this pandemic, instead you arrogantly lecture us as if we’re bold children who need to be put in their place.
It’s beyond patronising and patience is wearing thin.

How you think the Irish people will just accept this and do as their told for an indefinite amount of months, with no hope or end in sight is laughable. It won’t happen.

This is an excellent and articulate summary of how so many of us feel- well done and thank you. I could not have put it better or more succinctly.

growleaves

gozunda wrote: »

Wow. From isolating before it was mandated - you're now moving to a stance of fek them?

Of course its about not over running our health services and reducing rates of infection in the community.

That wont just evaporate because some people are fed up or bored.

The restrictions will be rolled back when it is deemed safe to do so. When is that exactly? No one has the answer as It depends on so many factors.

Question: Did you give up your job voluntarily at the time you chose to isolate in February?

Sweden have tripled their ICU capacity in the last few months. I would like to know what we have done to increase ICU capacity. There's more than one route out of lockdown.

Bobtheman

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We're now at 5,064 healthcare workers with it, out of a total 18,431, how many of that 13,367 are friends, family and patients of health care workers? Why are no journalists asking that question? Why are health care workers still allowed to come back to the community after work?

We can't house people in good times let alone a crisis. Where would you put them.? Most will stay indoors once home

polesheep

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They were a problem 2 years ago, my dad died from an infection that spread through the hospital, I wasn't allowed into see him for a week, the staff were going into the large ward in full ppe, when I was eventually allowed in I had to wear ppe, it attacked his lungs just like Covid and he was put on a ventilator he never came off it, was meant to be for 24hrs. He drove down and walked into the hospital himself. My aunt nearly died a few years before spent a long time recovering and had to retire early.
These health care worker numbers aren't surprising from what I've witnessed first hand.

Sorry to hear that. It's true that they had a problem in some hospitals, particularly with MRSA. But, to be fair, it was very difficult to eradicate. They did get on top of it and the standard of infection control is very high. I'm off now to prepare dinner for when Typhoid Mary gets home from the hospital.;):D

drunkmonkey

Bobtheman wrote: »

We can't house people in good times let alone a crisis. Where would you put them.? Most will stay indoors once home

There with their families and their families are out and about, plenty of holiday homes and air B&B's free. We can accommodate the most at risk.

hmmm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not a pop at your wife but there have being short comings across the health services and not just in nursing homes.

I think our health services have done an amazing job in a very pressurised situation, and this sort of throwaway comment is irritating considering all the work they have put in. I'm not happy at all with people like yourself now popping up to criticise, and telling them everything they should have done in hindsight, but they have been magnificent in stepping up to the plate with training, extra capacity and information.

drunkmonkey

polesheep wrote: »

Sorry to hear that. It's true that they had a problem in some hospitals, particularly with MRSA. But, to be fair, it was very difficult to eradicate. They did get on top of it and the standard of infection control is very high. I'm off now to prepare dinner for when Typhoid Mary gets home from the hospital.;):D

No kissing:)

That particular hospital has had staff die from Covid just for reference.

SusieBlue

gozunda wrote: »

Wow. From isolating before it was mandated - you're now moving to a stance of fek them?

Of course its about not over running our health services and reducing rates of infection in the community.

That wont just evaporate because some people are fed up or bored.

The restrictions will be rolled back when it is deemed safe to do so. When is that exactly? No one has the answer as It depends on so many factors.

Question: Did you give up your job voluntarily at the time you chose to isolate in February?

No, I’m saying pontificating about how we should stay home and save lives to people who are already doing exactly those things and are already making monumental sacrifices is beyond patronising and condescending.
Do you really think it’s appropriate to tell someone who is talking about their mental health struggles to basically get over it and stay home, save lives? Do you think it’s remotely helpful?

In regards to your question, I was given the opportunity to work from home at the end of February and did so until I lost my job at the end of March. I am now ‘temporarily’ laid off but am not confident I’ll have a job to go back to. I work in accounts and saw for myself the catastrophic financial damage done to the business by the end of March so I’m not holding out much hope.

Bobtheman

nthclare wrote: »

And what about it, it couldn't be worse than bad people wearing Cheap Ralph Lauren or Tommy Hilfiger jumpers made in sweat shop's at the expenses of cheap labour, sold in high streets in Ireland ten times the price of the same item in TK Mack's in New York.
Anyhow most of my clothes are either Barbour Bellstaff, Redwing Iron Ranger's none of that middle class rubbish....

Hand knit or factory knit, there's four spades take your pick.

The Burren is boring to people who don't like, scenery, good food, music, surfing, angling, relaxing, hiking and fresh air.

I'd prefer my lifestyle than whatever you propose is a better way of living...

Each to their own.

The jumpers are still ****. The music is Diddley eye nonsense. If I was dying I'd go there as the transition to being dead would hardly be noticeable. It's also heavily subsidised

drunkmonkey

hmmm wrote: »

hey have been magnificent in stepping up to the plate with training, extra capacity and information.

Think about how that capacity was achieved and the result.

road_high

SusieBlue wrote: »

In regards to your question, I was given the opportunity to work from home at the end of February and did so until I lost my job at the end of March. I am now ‘temporarily’ laid off but am not confident I’ll have a job to go back to. I work in accounts and saw for myself the catastrophic financial damage done to the business by the end of March so I’m not holding out much hope.

Would like to get a flavour of the type of people losing their jobs besides the obvious in retail and services- what type of company do you work in that laid you off?
You're right the financial waves down to all business will be immense- can imagine even once fairly safe manufacturing and service type jobs being effected down the supply chain.

bettyoleary

When finally the restrictions are lifted and we don't have any advancement on a vaccine or medication do you think the govts attitude will do a 180 at some poin and the caring attitude will dwindle? Instead of "These restrictions are necessary to protect the lives of our country." It will probably be "If you don't go to work in unsafe conditions your benefits will be cut. Or you will go on govt schemes in nursing homes etc or call centres etc or your benefits will be cut. And there will be a lot more people relying on benefits through no fault of their own, Remember Job Bridge and the likes. Or employers who are not putting into practise proper safety measures for their employees will say its up to you work or leave and employees will have no help from govt.

This is what I'm concerned about in the future and pretty sure it will happen.

LiquidZeb

Bobtheman wrote: »

The jumpers are still ****. The music is Diddley eye nonsense. If I was dying I'd go there as the transition to being dead would hardly be noticeable.

I suppose your idea of true music is whatever tripe 2FM have Gerry Ryan's useless daughter blaring?

road_high

bettyoleary wrote: »

When finally the restrictions are lifted and we don't have any advancement on a vaccine or medication do you think the govts attitude will do a 180 at some poin and the caring attitude will dwindle? Instead of "These restrictions are necessary to protect the lives of our country." It will probably be "If you don't go to work in unsafe conditions your benefits will be cut. Or you will go on govt schemes in nursing homes etc or call centres etc or your benefits will be cut. And there will be a lot more people relying on benefits through no fault of their own, Remember Job Bridge and the likes. Or employers who are not putting into practise proper safety measures for their employees will say its up to you work or leave and employees will have no help from govt.

This is what I'm concerned about in the future and pretty sure it will happen.

You can sing it. And if like many you've no job to go back to, you will be just collateral damage.

BanditLuke

SusieBlue wrote: »

Get down off your high horse, I obviously wouldn’t show up unannounced at someone’s house.
The reality of it is that many of my friends and family feel the exact same way as I do so if I were to do it, they would be consenting willing participants.

This virtue signalling cliches about saving lives and the HSE is getting really old, I have been staying home, I have been staying safe and I have supported the HSE.
I have willingly sacrificed my job, my well-being and my mental health for 9 weeks now.
I now need an exit plan and I need some hope.
You are the extremely delusional if you think this kind of life is sustainable, practical, or healthy in its own right, because it isn’t.
We’re going to have a whole new set of problems in a few months as a result of these restrictions. And I don’t mean economic ones.

You don’t seem to have a shred of empathy or compassion for the thousands of people whose lives have been turned upside down by this pandemic, instead you arrogantly lecture us as if we’re bold children who need to be put in their place.
It’s beyond patronising and patience is wearing thin.

How you think the Irish people will just accept this and do as their told for an indefinite amount of months, with no hope or end in sight is laughable. It won’t happen.

Mod-Redacted and banned

LiquidZeb

BanditLuke wrote: »

Oh your patience is wearing thin, boo hoo.

Hold on until I find the worlds smallest violin for you.

Toughen up. Everybody is in the same boat and has lost jobs as well as missing people but it doesn't give you the right to disobey regulations set down for the good of all society.

Da comrade! For society! There is no I only we!