Relaxation of restrictions Part II

jaffa20

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Good to see cases down

drunkmonkey wrote: »

266 new cases, 59 dead. Good and bad news.

299

Edgware

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Can you not reply/post without all the unnecessary condescension. It's really quite obnoxious at this stage.

Wharever you wish Squire

kenmm

Edgware wrote: »

Wharever you wish Squire

cheers boss

martingriff

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Both you and I know they will never seal our borders, it should've been done but unfortunately they won't

We have 1 border that could never be sealed regardless anyway

stephenjmcd

Spain have announced the plans to come out of restrictions,
Pedro Sanchez announces that if all goes well, the earliest return to normal will be on June 8.

PHASE 1
The next phase is phase 1, in which the partial start-up of small businesses will be authorized in each territorial phase defined under strict security measures, except for large shopping centers, where large crowds can occur. A preferential schedule for people over 65 will be set up in stores.

In public transport, the use of the mask will be strongly recommended. In phase 1, small businesses or terraces may open with restrictions, as well as hotels and accommodations according to each province.

In phase 1, places of worship can open with a 30% limitation.


PHASE 2
Phase 2 will be a gradual opening of many places. Pedro Sanchez has finally announced that in phase 2, cinemas and theaters will be opened with a limit of one third of capacity.

During this new phase, the interior space of the restaurant premises may be opened for table service. Cultural events can take place with less than 50 people in places with suitable capacity, and if it is outdoors, it will be possible if they gather less than 400 people and as long as they are seated.

Hunting and sport fishing will be authorized.

PHASE 3
The third phase is the advanced phase: once the required markers are filled, the mobility restrictions will be limited.

In the restaurant sector, the seating restrictions will be a little less limited, but with a strict separation between the public. The capacity of commercial establishments will be limited to 50% with a distance of two meters.

It is during this phase 3 that the beaches can open again.

Each of the phases described will have a minimum period of two weeks. This means that the de-escalation phase will last at least six weeks, or a month and a half.


At the end of these three phases in each territory, the “de-escalation” will be finished and the "new normal" will be in place. At that point, the social restrictions will end ", but the sanitary and hygienic recommendations will be maintained.

GazzaL

Why don't NPHET use social distancing for their meetings? The clip on RTE News shows them all sitting side-by-side, zero social distancing. Do as we say but not as we do?

easypazz

Trend on new cases is very good considering how expanded and targeted testing has evolved.

HeidiHeidi

GazzaL wrote: »

Why don't NPHET use social distancing for their meetings? The clip on RTE News shows them all sitting side-by-side, zero social distancing. Do as we say but not as we do?

There's about 8 feet between them. And they walk in separately. Dunno what you're watching!

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Why can't they just announce the volumes and metrics that we need to see before easing anything?

gozunda

Breezin wrote: »

Sweden, or a tailored version thereof. Measured, mature, targeted, nuanced, flexible application of restrictions where they are demonstrated as necessary and effective.

In other words, as your post wisely understands, the opposite of 'simple', as fetishised by those in thrall to the hammer approach.

Going by some of the frankly unbelievable comments in this thread - wherein anyone not supporting complete step down to no restrictions - were being referred to as nazis. I think it is safe to say we have a minority that would never agree to any "measured, mature, targeted, nuanced, flexible application of restrictions where they are demonstrated as necessary and effective". Most possibly because it cramps their lifestyle and reckon old people / those with critical conditions are more or less expendable anyway.

Some will have to be dragged kicking and screaming and or at least promised lollipops.

GazzaL

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

There's about 8 feet between them. And they walk in separately. Dunno what you're watching!

They were all sitting side-by-side around a big conference table.

lolokeogh

easypazz wrote: »

Trend on new cases is very good considering how expanded and targeted testing has evolved.

im sure i heard them say cases will rise,as 1 symtom is all thats needed now to get a test now..?

snowcat

jaffa20 wrote: »

299

229

NegativeCreep

jaffa20 wrote: »

299

It’s 229 now. I think he made a mistake when he read it out earlier.

bettyoleary

Its looking quite a bit more promising that we will have a vaccine sooner than later. There are lots of people not attending hospital appointments. People not being getting routine cervical smears , breast checks etc. Lots of elective and crucial ops been postponed. Many people are not presenting to GP's or A and E with symptoms that are serious. This will have to be dealt with before we consider other things. If many of these people require hospital treatment and ICU beds and we allow a big ease on restrictions and the virus spikes again which is highly likely our health service will be in a mess. It is best to prioritise and open up very slowly so if we have to lock down again quickly it wont be too devastating. If we do it slowly we can deal with these things. Then hopefully we will be closer to the vaccine even by the end of the year and then things can get back to more normal. Its not that long in the run of things. The Oxford vaccine looks promising to date and if it is successful we are looking at mass production end of this yr into next.

HeidiHeidi

GazzaL wrote: »

They were all sitting side-by-side around a big conference table.

Ok, I thought you meant the daily briefing - I didn't see what you were looking at, obviously.

Anyway, I'd say they could probably consider themselves a household at this stage!

its 299 on NEWSTALK 6 o clock news and on The Journal latest news

Arghus

Reporters ask the same questions again and again.

NewRed2

The answer with everything is always in finding the right balance. The nonsense that gets posted on here about people wanting to go to pubs and likewise people wanting people to die to save the economy, it's all bull-crap. There's a balance and saving lives is crucial but it's also crucial that we don't destroy lives by shutting down businesses and ruining people's source of income.
Now we got asked to do this lockdown for the greater good and we've done it. It then got extended and we did it again.
At some stage you have to accept that this virus will remain with us for a year and you have to make your peace with that and cope as best you can. But you cannot live like this for another year. And extending it by yet another 2 weeks won't make a lot of difference to something that will last for 12 months or more. However, it WILL do even more damage to families who are dependent on small business to support their kids, it will do even more damage to people's sanity and their mental health.
This was only ever done to buy time and in that time the HSE have failed to do their side of bargain while the rest of us have done ours.
It has to end at some stage and if businesses can adhere to social distancing in the work place then they should and need to be allowed re-open.
People also need to be allowed go see family members etc. This is not sustainable for all sorts of reasons.
I have every sympathy with the vulnerable and elderly, I truly do but this will stay with us for the long term anyway and kicking the can down the road for another fortnight won't fix that. But meanwhile there's massive damage being done to people who badly need to re-open their businesses to support their families and massive damage being done to people's mental health.
There's a balance and I didn't take issue with this lockdown lasting til 5th May but I think we need to lift it to some degree on the 5th rather than adding on another 2 weeks and there badly needs to be some light now because it has been a long tunnel already for a lot of people.
My own Dad would fall into the category of the vulnerable with this virus and he even said to me today he thinks society needs to re-open more than the leaks given to the newspapers today.
Nobody can stay locked up for 12 months or more so it's time to get used to the fact that we need to live with this and move on as best we can.

HeidiHeidi

[Deleted User] wrote: »

its 299 on 6 o clock news

The rolling banner on RTE news now has been changed. I'd say the 299 was a typo. It's now showing as 229.

GazzaL

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Ok, I thought you meant the daily briefing - I didn't see what you were looking at, obviously.

Anyway, I'd say they could probably consider themselves a household at this stage!

I'm sure a lot of people could say that about the people they work with. NPHET are supposed to be setting an example. If they couldn't give a toss about social distancing, why should we take them seriously?

snowcat

jaffa20 wrote: »

299

Deleted User wrote: »

its 299 on NEWSTALK 6 o clock news and on The Journal latest news

I think they got it wrong. Ke called out the total figure too and that was around 229 up on yesterday

ZX7R

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Spain have announced the plans to come out of restrictions,
Pedro Sanchez announces that if all goes well, the earliest return to normal will be on June 8.

PHASE 1
The next phase is phase 1, in which the partial start-up of small businesses will be authorized in each territorial phase defined under strict security measures, except for large shopping centers, where large crowds can occur. A preferential schedule for people over 65 will be set up in stores.

In public transport, the use of the mask will be strongly recommended. In phase 1, small businesses or terraces may open with restrictions, as well as hotels and accommodations according to each province.

In phase 1, places of worship can open with a 30% limitation.


PHASE 2
Phase 2 will be a gradual opening of many places. Pedro Sanchez has finally announced that in phase 2, cinemas and theaters will be opened with a limit of one third of capacity.

During this new phase, the interior space of the restaurant premises may be opened for table service. Cultural events can take place with less than 50 people in places with suitable capacity, and if it is outdoors, it will be possible if they gather less than 400 people and as long as they are seated.

Hunting and sport fishing will be authorized.

PHASE 3
The third phase is the advanced phase: once the required markers are filled, the mobility restrictions will be limited.

In the restaurant sector, the seating restrictions will be a little less limited, but with a strict separation between the public. The capacity of commercial establishments will be limited to 50% with a distance of two meters.

It is during this phase 3 that the beaches can open again.

Each of the phases described will have a minimum period of two weeks. This means that the de-escalation phase will last at least six weeks, or a month and a half.


At the end of these three phases in each territory, the “de-escalation” will be finished and the "new normal" will be in place. At that point, the social restrictions will end ", but the sanitary and hygienic recommendations will be maintained.

Most important two words in there steps everyone needs to realize and understand
"New Normal"

Tenzor07

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The masks can be effective, it's the people are useless I just witnessed someone doing everything you shouldn't a few minutes ago, they also had eye protection and gloves going in browsing for shovels with his wife who was just as stupid. Facemask around the necks putting them up when entering the shop. Same with the gloves and glasses took them out of the pockets to put on, probably used them all multiple times during the day shopping..

Take it to the masks forum: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058066011

Teacher must have given you a special cert for being the first boy to put your mask on right, bualadh bos!

Bring your special cert to Leo and tell him how masks don't work: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/leo-varadkar-helps-with-coronavirus-testing-on-traveller-accommodation-site-39164399.html

storker

martingriff wrote: »

If they had the space for them I suppose but who do you choose and how

This is already dome to some degree in some chopping centres, where multiple food outlets share a common customer eating area.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

229 is excellent. Dramatic falls in recent days.

KrustyUCC

I can only imagine how low new cases would be without the nursing homes

storker

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Can you not reply/post without all the unnecessary condescension. It's really quite obnoxious at this stage.

I think it's clear that the intention is to antagonise the interlocutor and thus "win" the argument. The trouble is that it's extremely irritating to anyone (normal) who reads it, which causes the thrust of the post's argument to be lost and thus amounts to inept communication. Best to simply not engage with it. At all.

(I know, I know, mea culpa...)

storker

Kobe Colossal Cape wrote: »

229 is excellent. Dramatic falls in recent days.

If only we could figure out what caused it.

Arghus

Whoever was on here earlier claiming that the questions for DOH briefings are presubmitted was talking crap. Paul Cullen from the Irish Times is having a goat them.