How will schools be able to go back in September?

jimmytwotimes 2013

Joe Kane wrote: »

My ire?

I was making a point.

The 'Mé féin' attitude within the teacher fraternity is rife though.

You're right. I disgust myself at times

wirelessdude01

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The pods only work if everyone is in the pod, if a cleaner is working across 2 pods that's a problem, if teachers are meeting or sharing the same canteen at different times that's a problem, kids are mingling before and after school that's a problem. There's so many ways this can get out of control very quickly, the virus is now more prevelant outside the country than when we locked down, we've 0 control of who's coming into the country, this can only go one way once we reopen schools as demonstrated in Israel, Sweden etc.
NZ plan is only show in town, I just hope it doesn't take a student or pupil to prove that point.

We've been told that the staffroom will be locked. We have one cleaner at present. Having one cleaner per class bubble just isn't feasible.

thenetherrealm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

How?

Know the INTO have said they are generally happy but have concerns which they will raise in the coming weeks.

The INTO are and always have been walkovers. I am putting all my hope on the ASTI to scupper this "roadmap", this isn't worth the virtual paper it is typed on.

wirelessdude01

thenetherrealm wrote: »

The INTO are and always have been walkovers. I am putting all my hope on the ASTI to scupper this "roadmap", this isn't worth the virtual paper it is typed on.

My hope is that the unions raise plenty of issues and make those concerns very public but don't scupper anything. Let this thing fall apart but the fault won't be on the doorstep of schools and/or teachers.

drunkmonkey

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We've been told that the staffroom will be locked. We have one cleaner at present. Having one cleaner per class bubble just isn't feasible.

It's not feasible but it's necessary, it's possible a cleaner can spread it across all bubbles. Whether that's from being infected themselves or using the same, cleaning materials, rags etc.

Boggles

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We've been told that the staffroom will be locked. We have one cleaner at present. Having one cleaner per class bubble just isn't feasible.

TBF cleaning is comprehensively covered in the document.

Are you aware that cleaning is best achieved using a general purpose detergent and warm water, clean cloths, mops and the mechanical action of wiping and cleaning, following by rinsing and drying?

The mechanical action of wiping.

:pac:

mirrorwall14

Boggles wrote: »

TBF cleaning is comprehensively covered in the document.



The mechanical action of wiping.

:pac: :pac: :pac:

joe40

Ultimately this will depend on numbers. If there is no dramatic increase in cases by end of September then things will proceed.
If cases do spike significantly then this will be reviewed, maybe partial or local lockdowns online learning etc.

I want the plan to go ahead with very careful and quick monitoring of cases.

wirelessdude01

Boggles wrote: »

TBF cleaning is comprehensively covered in the document.



The mechanical action of wiping.

:pac:

Do we need to now hire a mechanic? 😂

iamwhoiam

Boggles wrote: »

Because I am trying to give you some advice?

All transmit and no receive.

As you were lad.

I genuinely and sincerely hope you are not a teacher . Or that you don’t speak to pupils and parents like you do on this thread

Boggles

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I genuinely and sincerely hope you are not a teacher . Or that you don’t speak to pupils and parents like you do on this thread

For 54th time I am not a teacher.

Also.

teachinggal123

Boggles wrote: »

There is no provision of funding for temporary accommodation like prefabs or anything like that, if anything prefabs should be closed, particularly the older ones.

Norma thinks schools can utilize, their music rooms, libraries, snooker rooms, bowling rooms and cigar parlors to accommodate the extra teachers that don't exist.

Actually where did Norma actually teach, Downton Abbey?

I posted last week that schools may take over AE centres for the foreseeable future and that AE tutors may be redeployed.

AE = adult education

Boggles

teachinggal123 wrote: »

I posted last week that schools may take over AE centres for the foreseeable future and that AE tutors may be redeployed.

AE = adult education

You heard schools are taking over these centers or you think they should take over these centers?

teachinggal123

Boggles wrote: »

You heard schools are taking over these centers or you think they should take over these centers?

I *heard* (I don’t know for certain) it might happen where AE is also in the school, or where the school owns the AE building. Also could happen where the ETB owns the AE building. The likes of VTOS and plc might be at risk this year if true.

I have mixed feelings but I personally hope it doesn’t happen. I think it’s definitely on the table though. Individual ETBs might have discretion on a centre by centre basis.

iamwhoiam

Boggles wrote: »

For 54th time I am not a teacher.

Also.

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Phew . Good to know

KerryConnor

I may be overly optimistic but I thought the big news story last week was a safe vaccine producing antibodies in 3 different trials.
Fauci has said maybe October or November it will be ready. Obviously it probably won't be rolled out in Ireland properly till 2021 but it's on the way no doubt.
I was more in mindset of "we have to just get on with it" till this news, now I'd love them to move more carefully. A few months part time schooling for secondary especially would be small price to avoid deaths.

joe40 wrote: »

Firstly I am a teacher and understand the risks.
However small group gatherings are fine but teenagers need the interaction that only a school can provide.
We need to live with this virus it is not going away.
This is a plan it will need to be tweaked and amended as it is implemented, but at this stage I think we need to get started.

If I thought things would be better after Christmas then definitely extend the lockdown, but there is no indication things will be better in the medium term, years maybe.

Jambalaya

I'm so disappointed in the plan. It seems to be a case of "throw them all back in and hope for the best".

I am concerned for my son who is starting secondary. At a very minimum, I expected specific guidelines on length of time to be spent indoors as part of the same group. I really thought perspex screens would be applied to teachers' desks and that visors would be recommended to be worn by everyone- I know they are not as effective as masks but thought they would provide some protection if everyone wore one. I can only hope that his principal says something along the lines of " we can't force you to wear a mask but we would ask that students wear one out of respect to classmates and teachers for as long as possible each day."

I'm also disappointed in the lack of guidance as to tuition to be provided if a whole class has to self isolate. I really think there needs to be some sort of minimum standard set there in terms of face to face online teaching.

Again, for primary school, I am very surprised that there is no mention of practical specifics such as ensuring the class was emptied at least once every two hours (would tie in with break times) to be sufficiently aired. I had thought they might lengthen break times to allow this to be done (no help when it's bucketing down, I know).


Finally, as the parent of a primary school child with complex additional needs, I was so disappointed to hear the Minister for Special Education refer to "special needs children" on more than one occasion. My child is not defined by his needs. Additionally, her emphasis on "special schools" and "special classes" completely disregarded the fact that there are many children with complex additional needs in a mainstream setting and that not all of them have access to an sna or the learning support they need to help them succeed. I would expect such use of language and focus on non mainstream settings from a layperson unfamiliar with our education system and/or what "complex needs" means, not from the Minister entrusted with the powers to help children.

teachinggal123

KerryConnor wrote: »

I may be overly optimistic but I thought the big news story last week was a safe vaccine producing antibodies in 3 different trials.
Fauci has said maybe October or November it will be ready. Obviously it probably won't be rolled out in Ireland properly till 2021 but it's on the way no doubt.

Even if this is true it’ll be 2022 at the earliest before the vaccine will be widely available.

xhomelezz

Ectoplasm wrote: »

Extra cleaning is fair. The extra subs don't actually mitigate risk in any way. They are just more people moving through schools. It is also wildly optimistic to think that we have that many available subs when schools have struggled to find them for the last few years.


As for improving infrastructure...this is all to be done in the next 4 weeks. How much of that do you honestly believe will be long term structural improvements? I can see it being spent and I can see *some* of it being used for fixing things that should have been fixed. The reality is that it will most likely be used on temporary accommodations which, if experience is anything to go by, will become long term sub standard accommodation. How many things commissioned and built in 4 weeks do you know that stand the test of time?

I think there is a massive naivete out there among the general public as to what schools are actually like day to day. This 'plan' is anything but a plan. They are throwing money at schools and asking them to figure it all out, while knowing that they are likely setting schools up for failure but ensuring that the blame will also be placed on those schools.

That's exactly what it looks like. We gave you money and master plan and you still f..ed up.

KerryConnor

I don't know... They're moving at lightening speed and already producing it to be ready to go. This national geographic article says deployment in UK to start right after the larger trial finishes in November..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/2020/07/oxford-vaccine-enters-final-phase-of-covid-19-trials-in-brazil-cvd

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Even if this is true it’ll be 2022 at the earliest before the vaccine will be widely available.

KerryConnor

I don't know... They're moving at lightening speed and already producing it to be ready to go. This national geographic article says deployment in UK to start right after the larger trial finishes in November..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/2020/07/oxford-vaccine-enters-final-phase-of-covid-19-trials-in-brazil-cvd

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Even if this is true it’ll be 2022 at the earliest before the vaccine will be widely available.

Boggles

There is no guarantee that the vaccine will work.

Phase 3 trials will let us know someway, but realistically we won't know until it is scaled up and given to billions.

It could be well into 2022 before we can determine that.

drunkmonkey

Boggles wrote: »

There is no guarantee that the vaccine will work.

Phase 3 trials will let us know someway, but realistically we won't know until it is scaled up and given to billions.

It could be well into 2022 before we can determine that.

It won't be a once off vaccine either, might need to be taken multiple times a year. It'll be a few years before we can determine it's effectiveness, long term health implications and how long the immunity lasts. We also need 80%+ take up for it to be effective.
I'm not optimistic.

Boggles

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It won't be a once off vaccine either, might need to be taken multiple times a year. It'll be a few years before we can determine it's effectiveness, long term health implications and how long the immunity lasts. We also need 80%+ take up for it to be effective.
I'm not optimistic.

I would be repetitively optimistic, I'd also expect more effective treatments.

But as the professionals in public health that deal with infectious disease say.

A Vaccine does not equal a Vaccination.

flynnlives

as usual the whinging teachers are out lookin for more money.

They had 6 months now on full pay sitting on their arses.
Time to stfu and get busy preparing for school term.

xhomelezz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It won't be a once off vaccine either, might need to be taken multiple times a year. It'll be a few years before we can determine it's effectiveness, long term health implications and how long the immunity lasts. We also need 80%+ take up for it to be effective.
I'm not optimistic.

Plus production, distribution etc.

xhomelezz

flynnlives wrote: »

as usual the whinging teachers are out lookin for more money.

They had 6 months now on full pay sitting on their arses.
Time to stfu and get busy preparing for school term.

That's a cheap one..

drunkmonkey

Your going to need mandatory vaccines, possibly for health care workers first, 80% of them won't take it. Leo has said they should all be taking flu vaccine or they have no business in health care. If they turn to the teachers then and make the fastest developed vaccine in History mandatory what will the unions and teachers say.
I know some will rush to get it, others will be more cautious and rightly so. We won't know the long term health effects for years to come.

drunkmonkey

xhomelezz wrote: »

Plus production, distribution etc.

There already tooling factory's for it, it's way too quick a turn around, every pharma company is going to be calling for mandatory vaccines.

xhomelezz

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your going to need mandatory vaccines, possibly for health care workers first, 80% of them won't take it. Leo has said they should all be taking flu vaccine or they have no business in health care. If they turn to the teachers then and make the fastest developed vaccine in History mandatory what will the unions and teachers say.
I know some will rush to get it, others will be more cautious and rightly so. We won't know the long term health effects for years to come.

Flu vaccine is gonna be probably hard to get this year either..