How will schools be able to go back in September?

Boggles

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I see no teachers volunteering and we have been getting one blog a week I do with my daughter.

Teachers are not volunteers.

It has been decided to not overwhelm parents and kids with school work in an unprecedented time.

Anyway your daughter is 5, she won't be taking the bar any time soon.

You should be enjoying your precious time with her and not whinging, her most important education will come from you and your wife anyway.

The schools will come back in probably a different form, what that form will be is not up to the teachers, but they have to implement it.

Murple

Hospitals open? Nursing homes open? Hmmmm.
They are closed to all except those who work in them and the patients/ residents. It would be pretty odd if during a pandemic, they were shut down and everyone sent home. Oh wait, a nursing home is home for the residents!
Police open?
They are essential, security, law and order service.
Supermarkets open? People need food and cleaning supplies.
DIY store have only been open for 2 weeks. They are limiting those who come in. They have Perspex screens up. They are enforcing 2 metres distance.


Your attitude is kind of confusing mcsean2163.
You want schools open but you won't let your child mix with others (even though it is allowed for the last 2 weeks- up to 4 people from different houses, at 2m distance).
You desperately want your child back at school but you say you would be prepared to teach the class (surely then you can teach your child at home as parent and primary educator. It doesn't all have to be book learning).
Your wife is a hospital worker and yet you are so blasé/ lacking understanding about infection spread.

The government is not stopping children playing together. You are.

khalessi

Hubertj wrote: »

unions will, as usual, make things far more difficult than they need to be. Decisions should be made by health experts, guidance given to dept of education and that guidance put into action. Not sure why the unions are being so vocal. Likely they will look for more money or some nonsense like that. Just get back to work like EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE.

Have you noticed schools are closed based on the decisions made by health advice you advocate not unions?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

downthemiddle wrote: »

So you agree that teachers, and school authorities, are correct to be very concerned about reopening as their safety, and the safety of the children, won't be taken seriously. I'm glad we cleared that up.

I'm saying places won't be closed down if they don't adhere to guidelines.

s1ippy

They will close down if those needing to protect themselves are unavailable to work due to adequate precautions not being taken. The last school I worked in, I estimate about 75% of staff would be in an at-risk category. You can't operate a school with a quarter of the staff when there's quadruple the amount of work to do (sanitising, cleaning, supervision etc).

Can't wait to hear what the guidance from the department is, they'll be like Moses with the stone tablets when they tell schools the miraculous solution. I'd advise teachers not to be getting to anxious because it doesn't seem as though there are any real intentions to go back, even in September. As yet, no department officials being sent to measure classrooms, no facilities being improved, no added funding for the principals to do it.

Schools in South Korea have the teacher come to school but all students taught remotely. Although they funded devices to let students access.

downthemiddle

Hubertj wrote: »

unions will, as usual, make things far more difficult than they need to be. Decisions should be made by health experts, guidance given to dept of education and that guidance put into action. Not sure why the unions are being so vocal. Likely they will look for more money or some nonsense like that. Just get back to work like EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE.

I'm sorry to break it to you but health officials did make the decision to close schools and keep them closed.

downthemiddle

This thread really is well past its sell by date. The current discussion can be summed up as follows.

Teachers are a disgrace for closing the schools.
They didn't close the schools.
Open the schools NOW.
Teachers want to reopen schools safely.
Cut their pay and holidays.
Why?
Just. Because.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

s1ippy wrote: »

As yet, no department officials being sent to measure classrooms, no facilities being improved, no added funding for the principals to do it.

I'm guessing they are hoping it won't be necessary. Guidelines should be issued shortly but those will be subject to change, and they are just that, guidelines.

Schools are due to reopen end of August so anything that's required will need to be in place well before then.

I got an email last week saying that the summer camps here are going ahead end of July with some adjustments, I just assumed it would be cancelled but seems like things are adapting.

Sammy2012

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm guessing they are hoping it won't be necessary. Guidelines should be issued shortly but those will be subject to change, and they are just that, guidelines.

Schools are due to reopen end of August so anything that's required will need to be in place well before then.

I got an email last week saying that the summer camps here are going ahead end of July with some adjustments, I just assumed it would be cancelled but seems like things are adapting.

What summer camps are those Zahir Bitter Cellist? Curious to see what will go ahead over the summer now.

wirelessdude01

Hubertj wrote: »

unions will, as usual, make things far more difficult than they need to be. Decisions should be made by health experts, guidance given to dept of education and that guidance put into action. Not sure why the unions are being so vocal. Likely they will look for more money or some nonsense like that. Just get back to work like EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE.

We pay the union to try and look after our interests. They are trying to do that along with looking after the wider school community.

Also unions at the end of the day really have no power. If they did then I wouldn't be on an inferior payscale. Power my backsick. Don't always believe what the media spoon feed you. According to the media the LC couldn't happen but the week after it was binned they wanted schools back. Consistency ehh.

Shybride2016

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/august-the-right-time-for-primary-schools-to-reopen-1.4269803?mode=amp&localLinksEnabled=false&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Covid-19%3A+Limited+easing+of+restrictions+proposed+as+pressure+grows+to+reopen+Irish+economy&utm_campaign=morning_briefing_digest&fbclid=IwAR3ROLdokFg1JpMvJSIava4oYSMz3V1mglgUJuymRGFq-ISu1xlrksv3xyM

Murple

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm guessing they are hoping it won't be necessary. Guidelines should be issued shortly but those will be subject to change, and they are just that, guidelines.

Schools are due to reopen end of August so anything that's required will need to be in place well before then.

I got an email last week saying that the summer camps here are going ahead end of July with some adjustments, I just assumed it would be cancelled but seems like things are adapting.

Strange they would give that confirmation when NPHET are only meeting today to discuss, among other things, the possibility of summer camps.

wirelessdude01

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I got an email last week saying that the summer camps here are going ahead end of July with some adjustments, I just assumed it would be cancelled but seems like things are adapting.

What kind of summer camp is it?

s1ippy

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-51643556
You'd be insane to send your kids into school on the UK with the numbers they're racking up.

These cash-grabbers are claiming they'll be opening:
https://www.letsgo.ie/kids-summercamps-ireland/summer-camps/find-a-camp

I worked for them years ago, they pay staff a pittance, operate out of community schools and when it's raining your child will be inside in a hall panting and heaving with a hundred others. Safe!

It doesn't fill me with confidence to see that they've jumped the gun on the decision to "let's go" before NEPHET gives guidance on their safe operation, but it'll certainly be an experiment to watch and we'll see if those who ship their kids off live to regret it.

morebabies

This is an interesting proposal for the UK and I'd love to see it happen here for families with vulnerable members, a fully online school system, centralised, mirroring the national curriculum, so that if there are future disruptions, children can transition smoothly to a working online platform, and families with vulnerable members can rely on it 100% of the time if they need it.

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/30/the-idea-of-a-national-open-school-is-an-excellent-one-the-bbc-is-ready-to-make-it-happen

Boggles

s1ippy wrote: »

These cash-grabbers are claiming they'll be opening:
https://www.letsgo.ie/kids-summercamps-ireland/summer-camps/find-a-camp

You should email them and ask for a copy of their insurance certificate.

Spoiler. They don't have one.

daydorunrun

mcsean2163 wrote: »

There is no veil. I see no teachers volunteering and we have been getting one blog a week I do with my daughter. A friend who is a secondary teacher thinks it is ridiculous. I know there are a lot of good teachers out there but also fear a lot of others are very happy to take the time out.

Friend in Chicago's child of same age was given an ipad and has a detailed schedule of work for everyday. The work has to be submitted each day and is corrected. Here, a blog a week.

Some Captain Controversy who is sick of the kids whittling nonsense on the internet doesn't change that actual hard fact.



Look you're right, this is a stupid place to come. You've been rude and insulting, You are not offering constructive criticism and I'm wasting my time responding to your insults.

Don’t waste your time trying to engage. Anybody who talks of the merits of reopening schools is a winger and bad parent who is sick of their own kids according to this particular poster.

wirelessdude01

s1ippy wrote: »

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These cash-grabbers are claiming they'll be opening:
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I worked for them years ago, they pay staff a pittance, operate out of community schools and when it's raining your child will be inside in a hall panting and heaving with a hundred others. Safe!

It doesn't fill me with confidence to see that they've jumped the gun on the decision to "let's go" before NEPHET gives guidance on their safe operation, but it'll certainly be an experiment to watch and we'll see if those who ship their kids off live to regret it.

That is very interesting that they think they will run. As you said it will be very interesting to see what numbers they get.

As an aside I brought my class on a school tour to something run by that company before and swore never again. Was so badly run that the 3 of us who brought our classes wrote a letter of complaint afterwards. Really was pile them in and stack them high kinda thing. Had one person whom I would consider to be an 'adult'. The rest were all TY and early college aged kids from talking to them. The 'adult' seemed to spend his day trying to hide from teachers who had issues with what was going on and how it was being run.

Boggles

daydorunrun wrote: »

Don’t waste your time trying to engage. Anybody who talks of the merits of reopening schools is a winger and bad parent who is sick of their own kids according to this particular poster.

Like Giggs?

Suppose he was a bad parent too.

Sweet left foot though.

daydorunrun

Boggles wrote: »

Like Giggs?

Suppose he was a bad parent too.

Sweet left foot though.

Picked up less yellow cards than you though:)

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Sammy2012 wrote: »

What summer camps are those Fringegirl? Curious to see what will go ahead over the summer now.

It's a small camp thats run locally here each year, I'm sure there'll be more info on the actual logistics nearer the time depending on what the advice is then.

The GAA have said they hope to have their Cul Camps and they are expected to go ahead but looks like they are waiting to see what happens with the public health advice.

FAI summer schools looks the same way, planning for camps but nothing confirmed yet.

downthemiddle

Boggles wrote: »

Like Giggs?

Suppose he was a bad parent too.

Sweet left foot though.

Only appeared at the weekend. Just like Department guidelines.

mcsean2163

Boggles wrote: »

Teachers are not volunteers.

It has been decided to not overwhelm parents and kids with school work in an unprecedented time.

Anyway your daughter is 5, she won't be taking the bar any time soon.

You should be enjoying your precious time with her and not whinging, her most important education will come from you and your wife anyway.

The schools will come back in probably a different form, what that form will be is not up to the teachers, but they have to implement it.

My daugther is 7 not 5.

On average, it takes more than 2 months before a new behavior becomes automatic — 66 days to be exact.

Do you have kids? Why are you here attacking people? Who made you the arbiter of truth? You're clearly clueless on child psychology, why don't you **** off somewhere else?

mcsean2163

Murple wrote: »

Hospitals open? Nursing homes open? Hmmmm.
They are closed to all except those who work in them and the patients/ residents. It would be pretty odd if during a pandemic, they were shut down and everyone sent home. Oh wait, a nursing home is home for the residents!
Police open?
They are essential, security, law and order service.
Supermarkets open? People need food and cleaning supplies.
DIY store have only been open for 2 weeks. They are limiting those who come in. They have Perspex screens up. They are enforcing 2 metres distance.


Your attitude is kind of confusing mcsean2163.
You want schools open but you won't let your child mix with others (even though it is allowed for the last 2 weeks- up to 4 people from different houses, at 2m distance).
You desperately want your child back at school but you say you would be prepared to teach the class (surely then you can teach your child at home as parent and primary educator. It doesn't all have to be book learning).
Your wife is a hospital worker and yet you are so blasé/ lacking understanding about infection spread.

The government is not stopping children playing together. You are.

If you think children play at 2m distance....

I want my child back at school for the social aspect, that's all. I've done all the homework and more with her.

History Queen

mcsean2163 wrote: »

If you think children play at 2m distance....

I want my child back at school for the social aspect, that's all. I've done all the homework and more with her.

Hopefully for your child and every other child in the country schools will open as close to normal as possible in September. As a teacher all this kite flying going on in the media about blended learning is worrying. Our numbers are rapidly improving so hopefully they are just headline makers rather than based on real possibilities.

I'm curious though as to why you won't allow your child some limited socialisation now as the previous poster suggested? It is permissible under current guidelines.

khalessi

McHugh talking in Dail now

Tommysocks11

Teachers want to do sweet f**c all and still get paid, what about us who work full time and need our kids to be minded in creche or school, other countries have reopened schools but our morons are afraid of re opening in 3 months time....its a laugh

wirelessdude01

History Queen wrote: »

Hopefully for your child and every other child in the country schools will open as close to normal as possible in September. As a teacher all this kite flying going on in the media about blended learning is worrying. Our numbers are rapidly improving so hopefully they are just headline makers rather than based on real possibilities.

I'm curious though as to why you won't allow your child some limited socialisation now as the previous poster suggested? It is permissible under current guidelines.

Hopefully. Can't stand the remote teaching lark. My class are pretty much done as well. They are bored and fed up with it as am I. Just give me a noisy day in school with laughter and tears any day.

khalessi

Tommysocks11 wrote: »

Teachers want to do sweet f**c all and still get paid, what about us who work full time and need our kids to be minded in creche or school, other countries have reopened schools but our morons are afraid of re opening in 3 months time....its a laugh

Thank you for your input it was enlightening.

wirelessdude01

Tommysocks11 wrote: »

Teachers want to do sweet f**c all and still get paid, what about us who work full time and need our kids to be minded in creche or school, other countries have reopened schools but our morons are afraid of re opening in 3 months time....its a laugh

How are we afraid?