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    #8702
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    If masks are an effective tool can someone answer this question?

    Why have covid cases gone up since masks became a requirement on public transport and in shops? That would suggest either a) masks are completely useless in stopping the spread or b) masks actually contribute in the spread of cv19.


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    #8703
    isup
    Registered Users Posts: 649 ✭✭✭isup


    Yes: homemade
    GT89 wrote: »
    If masks are an effective tool can someone answer this question?

    Why have covid cases gone up since masks became a requirement on public transport and in shops? That would suggest either a) masks are completely useless in stopping the spread or b) masks actually contribute in the spread of cv19.

    More people out and about and not adhering to advice, Young people acting like nothing's changed or people like yourself either not wearing a mask or wearing them on their chin


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    #8704
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    No: other
    GT89 wrote: »
    If masks are an effective tool can someone answer this question?

    Why have covid cases gone up since masks became a requirement on public transport and in shops? That would suggest either a) masks are completely useless in stopping the spread or b) masks actually contribute in the spread of cv19.

    I'm not convinced they are of any use at all and id love to know what conditions need to be met so we can stop wearing them. In the mean time what can you do but wear the things.


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    #8705
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    isup wrote: »
    More people out and about and not adhering to advice, Young people acting like nothing's changed or people like yourself either not wearing a mask or wearing them on their chin

    Any time I have been on a bus in the last few weeks everyone was wearing a mask. About 99% of customers in the supermarket I work wear them now. So you can't blame it on a small minority not wearing them.


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    #8706
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    bush wrote: »
    I'm not convinced they are of any use at all and id love to know what conditions need to be met so we can stop wearing them. In the mean time what can you do but wear the things.

    Do the silent majority actually want to and like wearing. The so called "benefits" of wearing them have been talked about for months now so if people like and want to wear why weren't they wearing them 2 months ago. It's only been since they became required by law that people have actually started wearing them which suggests people are only wearing to comply not because it's something they actually want to do.


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    #8707
    Tork
    Registered Users Posts: 3,329 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    Let's not forget you said said this yesterday
    GT89 wrote: »
    I actually couldn't care less. I don't have any elderly relatives left. I'm not at risk and nor is anyone in my circle. I am healthy and not at risk. I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that.


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    #8708
    RoYoBo
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭RoYoBo


    Yes: valved
    GT89 wrote: »
    Do the silent majority actually want to and like wearing. The so called "benefits" of wearing them have been talked about for months now so if people like and want to wear why weren't they wearing them 2 months ago. It's only been since they became required by law that people have actually started wearing them which suggests people are only wearing to comply not because it's something they actually want to do.

    And there you have it ...

    Not even the most ardent mask proponent on this thread has ever expressed a desire to wear a mask because they 'like' doing so. If people are doing so now out of compliance, happy days!

    Put it like this, if the mask proponents are wrong, what is the worst that can happen? Nobody dies or is exposed to any kind of risk bar a minor inconvenience! As opposed to if you're wrong ....


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    #8709
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    RoYoBo wrote: »
    And there you have it ...

    Not even the most ardent mask proponent on this thread has ever expressed a desire to wear a mask because they 'like' doing so. If people are doing so now out of compliance, happy days!

    Put it like this, if the mask proponents are wrong, what is the worst that can happen? Nobody dies or is exposed to any kind of risk bar a minor inconvenience! As opposed to if you're wrong ....

    Showing your true colours you want people wearing masks even if they don't want to.

    Why don't we all crawl around the place on our hands and knees then as the virus that would mean the virus could travel to the ground quicker and not suspend in the air if that's your argument. Sure it's only a minor convience and if crawling around on your hands and knees dosen't work what harm is done.


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    #8710
    RoYoBo
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭RoYoBo


    Yes: valved
    GT89 wrote: »
    Showing your true colours you want people wearing masks even if they don't want to.

    You're absolutely right there - I DO expect people to wear masks regardless of whether they want to or not. Just as I expect people to comply with other health and safety regulations, such as not smoking or drink driving or defecating in the street.

    As for the rest of your post ... sometimes there is just no response worthy of a ridiculous suggestion.


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    #8711
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,379 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    RoYoBo wrote: »
    How did a thread about masks during a pandemic descend into arguments about wearing helmets in a car?

    One is necessary to protect other people and yourself (if recent research is accurate) from airborne contagion and the other is an optional extra for an individual motorist to perhaps protect themselves..

    It can effect others and society.
    Nermal wrote: »
    How about you start wearing a helmet in your car? Car accidents cause about half the traumatic brain injuries we suffer.

    I mean, it's a negligible inconvenience for you to keep a helmet in your car, and you might save your family and society the trouble of looking after a vegetable by doing so. What sort of sociopath wouldn't want to do that?


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    #8712
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    RoYoBo wrote: »
    You're absolutely right there - I DO expect people to wear masks regardless of whether they want to or not. Just as I expect people to comply with other health and safety regulations, such as not smoking or drink driving or defecating in the street.

    As for the rest of your post ... sometimes there is just no response worthy of a ridiculous suggestion.

    Smoking is perfectly legal in the street but most people don't smoke so smoking is unpleasant to them in indoor areas. With masks the majority don't want to wear them so shouldn't have to just because a small few want them.

    How is my post riddiculous. If the governemnt advised people to crawl on their hands and knees you'd do it and then you'd campaign them to make it law and when it became law you'd call people walking normally scumbags. In my personal opinion wearing a mask in public is just as riddiculous as crawling around on your hands and knees.


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    #8713
    RoYoBo
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭RoYoBo


    Yes: valved
    rubadub wrote: »
    It can effect others and society.

    Everything we do or don't do has the potential to affect others and society. But in a thread about masks during a pandemic, nothing is as important as the air that we breathe and the possibility that we are knowingly or unknowingly contaminating it for others.

    If people feel strongly about helmets in cars, it might be worthwhile starting a thread exclusively for that purpose and discussing the effects there. Road safety is a very important ongoing issue and deaths and injuries are indeed horrendous. The ironic thing is that allowing Covid 19 to run rampant through the community is certainly not going to mitigate these effects on the victims, their families or society ... quite the contrary.


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    #8714
    AnnieOaks
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭AnnieOaks


    No: I don't care enough
    GT89 wrote: »
    Showing your true colours you want people wearing masks even if they don't want to.

    Why don't we all crawl around the place on our hands and knees then as the virus that would mean the virus could travel to the ground quicker and not suspend in the air if that's your argument. Sure it's only a minor convience and if crawling around on your hands and knees dosen't work what harm is done.

    I have been wearing masks since march, and I’m sure others have to. Just because the government are only trying to enforce it now doesn’t mean people shouldn’t of been wearing them up until now. Your comments just come off as a very selfish person who can’t comply with a basic public health measure for the good of everyone. Children would actually have more sense than yourself the way you’re coming across mate.


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    #8715
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Yes: surgical
    The "I'm all right jack" attitude. Just what we need to help us out of this.


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    #8716
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Yes: surgical
    Tork wrote: »
    Let's not forget you said said this yesterday

    That should be enough for every single person on this thread to block. Absolutely disgusting attitude that can't be reasoned with. Can only hope karma deals with it .


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    #8717
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No: I don't care enough
    So the same poster who suggests some kind of moral deficit in someone who would like to see people wearing masks even if they don't want to but for the good of the population as a whole:
    GT89 wrote: »
    Showing your true colours you want people wearing masks even if they don't want to.

    Also says this:
    GT89 wrote: »
    I actually couldn't care less. I don't have any elderly relatives left. I'm not at risk and nor is anyone in my circle. I am healthy and not at risk. I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that.

    ????


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    #8718
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    Showing your true colours you want people wearing masks even if they don't want to.

    You can count me in there too. I can say quite honestly I couldn't give two hoots whether you actually want to wear one or not.

    "I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that"


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    #8719
    Dubl07
    Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    Yes: other
    RoYoBo wrote: »
    How did a thread about masks during a pandemic descend into arguments about wearing helmets in a car?

    One is necessary to protect other people and yourself (if recent research is accurate) from airborne contagion and the other is an optional extra for an individual motorist to perhaps protect themselves.

    I can choose not to drive or travel (albeit with extreme difficulty) but I cannot choose not to breathe. Your breath and emissions become mine, whether I want them or not.

    Because juveniles, idiots and trolls have access to the internet and when bored, delight in causing mischief, chaos and distress. Modern life means we need to ignore them.


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    #8720
    AUDI20
    Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭AUDI20


    No: other
    GT89 wrote: »
    Smoking is perfectly legal in the street but most people don't smoke so smoking is unpleasant to them in indoor areas. With masks the majority don't want to wear them so shouldn't have to just because a small few want them.

    How is my post riddiculous. If the governemnt advised people to crawl on their hands and knees you'd do it and then you'd campaign them to make it law and when it became law you'd call people walking normally scumbags. In my personal opinion wearing a mask in public is just as riddiculous as crawling around on your hands and knees.
    Thankfully its your personal opinion, the Majority of people have common sense.
    how you can compare it to crawling on your hands and knees is telling me you are just Trolling


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    #8721
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Wonder did the 81 guests at that infamous event in the west wear masks entering and leaving the building

    They did in their hoop but rules are only for the little people.

    Shambles the whole thing.


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    #8722
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,616 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Wonder did the 81 guests at that infamous event in the west wear masks entering and leaving the building
    They did in their hoop but rules are only for the little people.
    Shambles the whole thing.

    What rules re: masks are you talking about?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #8723
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Yes: surgical
    givyjoe wrote: »
    That should be enough for every single person on this thread to block. Absolutely disgusting attitude that can't be reasoned with. Can only hope karma deals with it .

    TBH after those comments this poster should be completely ignored.


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    #8724
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    What rules re: masks are you talking about?

    Never mentioned anything about rules


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    #8725
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Yes: surgical
    odyssey06 wrote: »
    What rules re: masks are you talking about?
    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Never mentioned anything about rules

    Yes you did.
    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Wonder did the 81 guests at that infamous event in the west wear masks entering and leaving the building

    They did in their hoop but rules are only for the little people.

     Shambles the whole thing.


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    #8726
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Yes: surgical
    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    Wonder did the 81 guests at that infamous event in the west wear masks entering and leaving the building

    They did in their hoop but rules are only for the little people.

    Shambles the whole thing.

    Not that I'm supporting the holding of or the people at the golf event but there was no legal requirment for them to wear a mask entering and leaving the building.

    Should they have been wearing masks, I would say yes. Were they legally required to, I would say no.


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    #8727
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Yes you did.

    In the context of life rules


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    #8728
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Not that I'm supporting the holding of or the people at the golf event but there was no legal requirment for them to wear a mask entering and leaving the building.

    Should they have been wearing masks, I would say yes. Were they legally required to, I would say no.

    Not sure about the actual legislation but the latest government advice states "clearly" that you need to wear your mask when entering and exiting and only take it off when you are seated.


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    #8729
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Stark wrote: »
    Not sure about the actual legislation but the latest government advice states "clearly" that you need to wear your mask when entering and exiting and only take it off when you are seated.

    Restaurants and cafes can remain open but must follow additional public health measures:

    they must close to the public by 11.30pm
    face coverings must be worn by staff in customer facing roles where no other protective measures are in place e.g. protective screens and where physical distancing of 2 metres is not possible. They must also be worn by customers when arriving to and leaving their table
    businesses should keep contact details of all customers to help with contact tracing should a customer be confirmed as having COVID-19
    table service must be provided and customers should not be allowed sit at the bar
    there should be a maximum of six people from no more than 3 households allowed at a table
    events, parties or gatherings of more than 6 people indoors or 15 people outdoors are not allowed in these


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    #8730
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Yes: surgical
    Stark wrote: »
    Not sure about the actual legislation but the latest government advice states "clearly" that you need to wear your mask when entering and exiting and only take it off when you are seated.
    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    face coverings must be worn by staff in customer facing roles where no other protective measures are in place e.g. protective screens and where physical distancing of 2 metres is not possible. They must also be worn by customers when arriving to and leaving their table

    Firstly, I am in favour of face masks everywhere but is the above public health advice or is it actual legislation because they aren't the same thing?


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    #8731
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Graham wrote: »
    You can count me in there too. I can say quite honestly I couldn't give two hoots whether you actually want to wear one or not.

    "I'm sorry if I sound heartless but it's how I feel. I'm a selfish person and I'm willing to accept that"

    Even if most people don't want to wear them. Back in March no one was wearing a mask apart from a small minority


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