COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

dexter647

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Some on here absolutely beside themselves at the thought of no vaccine

As crazy and mad as it sounds some on here seem to want no vaccine and this absolute sh1te reality to continue indefinitely.....Mind boggling

CiarraiManc

dexter647 wrote: »

As crazy and mad as it sounds some on here seem to want no vaccine and this absolute sh1te reality to continue indefinitely.....Mind boggling

I just believe it's healthier in the long run for people to come to terms with reality. There isn't going to be some magic fix to this. Our lives from now on are going to be very different to the way they were in February

Dionaibh

There is a vaccine in Russia. I'd take it. It's based on vaccines for MERS and Ebola that were worked on for 6 years.

Micky 32

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's not addressing what I asked. You may as well have answered "I like oranges on Tuesdays, thanks" for all the sense it made

Again: have you a link to back up that every single pandemic lasts 3 years max?

I'm hoping you're right, but you can't say something that big without sourcing it

Yes it is addressing. All those pandemics over eons are gone. They are nothing more than sniffles and flus that aren’t affecting yoyr modern day life. That’s all you need to know. Life will prevail ;-)

Don’t be so lazy go research it yourself.

CiarraiManc

Dionaibh wrote: »

There is a vaccine in Russia. I'd take it. It's based on vaccines for MERS and Ebola that were worked on for 6 years.

Take putins dodgy vaccine and see what happens to you. Hopefully it won't cripple you for life like the Oxford one will

astrofool

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I just believe it's healthier in the long run for people to come to terms with reality. There isn't going to be some magic fix to this. Our lives from now on are going to be very different to the way they were in February

Even with no vaccine, things would go back to normal within a couple of years, it would become another disease humans can get.

With a vaccine, it will likely happen faster.

Believing how humans live will drastically change is pie in the sky.

astrofool

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Hopefully it won't cripple you for life like the Oxford one will

This requires some references...

Dionaibh

astrofool wrote: »

Even with no vaccine, things would go back to normal within a couple of years, it would become another disease humans can get.

With a vaccine, it will likely happen faster.

Believing how humans live will drastically change is pie in the sky.

I'm not so sure. Look how at how quickly people have become obsessed with masks.

CiarraiManc

astrofool wrote: »

Even with no vaccine, things would go back to normal within a couple of years, it would become another disease humans can get.

With a vaccine, it will likely happen faster.

Believing how humans live will drastically change is pie in the sky.

These viruses will become more and more frequent and common due to human invasion of wildlife habitats. This'll be the first of a great many

Deeper Blue

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Hopefully it won't cripple you for life like the Oxford one will

Source?

While you're at it have you managed to find the source for your claim that there have been dozens of reinfections or are you going to keep dodging people's requests for same?

Dionaibh

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Take putins dodgy vaccine and see what happens to you. Hopefully it won't cripple you for life like the Oxford one will

I read about the vaccine. They used proven technology to produce it. It's based on a vaccine they developed for MERS and Ebola.

I don't want to take a vaccine, but if I had to I'd take the Russian one.

astrofool

CiarraiManc wrote: »

These viruses will become more and more frequent and common due to human invasion of wildlife habitats. This'll be the first of a great many

Ah, I guess we haven't been invading many wildlife habitats for the last 300,000 years then.

Sconsey

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Sorry if the dose of truth hurts. Weren't lads saying we could have been vaccinated by Christmas? How's that bit of science fiction working out?

I've no idea about that, sounds like more stuff you are making up. I know you feed on attention so I'll say good night and proceed to ignore you from now on (I guess we all should have been doing that from the start).

lillycakes2

I find it funny all the people saying there will be no vaccines and some people saying they wont take it even if it comes !!! Ya like people wont be fed up of social distancing and not touching family and friends for the rest of their lives. Im not interested in what Joe or Billy or Mary say on the street, not unless they have science behind them. I listen to the research only ...........There will be a vaccine. People need to accept that fact.

CiarraiManc

El Sueño wrote: »

Source?

While you're at it have you managed to find the source for your claim that there have been dozens of reinfections or are you going to keep dodging people's requests for same?

The FDA certainly feel it's the case

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/20/human-trials-oxford-vaccine-hold-us-spinal-cord-disease-fears/amp/

Deeper Blue

CiarraiManc wrote: »

The FDA certainly feel it's the case

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/20/human-trials-oxford-vaccine-hold-us-spinal-cord-disease-fears/amp/

You're gonna be very upset when they resume the trials in the US

Still waiting on the source for your reinfections claim btw

irishgeo

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Take putins dodgy vaccine and see what happens to you. Hopefully it won't cripple you for life like the Oxford one will

Says the expert in vaccination trials.:rolleyes:

CiarraiManc

El Sueño wrote: »

You're gonna be very upset when they resume the trials in the US

Still waiting on the source for your reinfections claim btw

Thought I posted this earlier


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/nevada-reinfection-case-highlights-mysteries-covid-19

Deeper Blue

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Thought I posted this earlier


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/nevada-reinfection-case-highlights-mysteries-covid-19

Could you point me to the part where it says there have been dozens of reinfections please?

ShineOn7

Micky 32 wrote: »

Don’t be so lazy go research it yourself.

Very productive post

You make a big claim with no source and then tell people that they're the lazy ones for not doing your research

Outstanding stuff

Micky 32

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Very productive post

You make a big claim with no source and then tell people that they're the lazy ones for not doing your research

Outstanding stuff

It’s like trying to talk to a child here. Ok answer this. Where are all the pandemics today? You want a source even though something is obvious?

Thierry12

irishgeo wrote: »

Says the expert in vaccination trials.:rolleyes:

Im right your wrong

Everyone a virologist, when we are all just idiots reading off google

irishgeo

Thierry12 wrote: »

Im right your wrong

Everyone a virologist, when we are all just idiots reading off google

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

A point clearly on show in this thread.

Ce he sin

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Take putins dodgy vaccine and see what happens to you. Hopefully it won't cripple you for life like the Oxford one will

You've obviously carried out detailed research to be able to arrive at a conclusion such as this.
How did you carry out the research? What was your sample size? Have you published your results and the methodology used to arrive at them?

Miike

astrofool wrote: »

Ah, I guess we haven't been invading many wildlife habitats for the last 300,000 years then.

As much as I hate to agree with a poster of that caliber; he's actually right on this one. Unless we fundamentally change the way we do agriculture, start enforcing and monitoring mass vaccinations of farm animals in countries with very loose regulations and stop encroaching into spaces to come in contact with animals humans don't necessarily live beside, this is going to become more and more frequent. This is wrote in the stones of epidemiology. There's an interesting book which touches on this and other factors if you're interested and it's totally geared towards 'the lay man'. The End of Epidemics by Dr. Johnathan D. Quick - I would highly recommend it if this sort of stuff interests you

patnor1011

Miike wrote: »

As much as I hate to agree with a poster of that caliber; he's actually right on this one. Unless we fundamentally change the way we do agriculture, start enforcing and monitoring mass vaccinations of farm animals in countries with very loose regulations and stop encroaching into spaces to come in contact with animals humans don't necessarily live beside, this is going to become more and more frequent. This is wrote in the stones of epidemiology. There's an interesting book which touches on this and other factors if you're interested and it's totally geared towards 'the lay man'. The End of Epidemics by Dr. Johnathan D. Quick - I would highly recommend it if this sort of stuff interests you

And I think that we suffer from some god complex. What make you think that enforced and monitored mass vaccination of farm animals (and certainly humans too) worldwide will make any difference? Nature always find a way.
Like it found a way with our obsession with cleanliness and hygiene by giving us huge increase of allergies. So we traded one evil for another.
We should invest more in finding out how to improve our health by perhaps modifying our lifestyle or diet instead of looking for and waiting for some miracle jab or pill.
There is no vaccine against something which does not exist yet. If nothing then our flu vaccination story is a prime example of how covid vaccination will look like. Pure lottery waiting if we get the strain right.

JDD

I'm seriously thinking about becoming vegetarian since this all started.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in science, I will take the vaccine and I think animals should be vaccinated against known viruses, but lets fact it we always overestimate the risk of something that has already happened, and underestimate the risk of something that is yet to happen. So we can vaccinate animals all we want, but new viruses will still come.

I've felt uncomfortable since March about the whole narrative of "oh them chinese and eating bats and dogs, if they stopped being so gross we wouldn't have these mass outbreaks". What's the difference between eating a bat and eating pigeon, or pig for that matter? There's nothing to say that the next pandemic won't be from a cow.

I love rashers. And sausages. And a roast chicken. But absolutely everything that's happening in the world seems to be pointing towards how our consumption of animal products is destroying everything. Climate change, this pandemic, cancer from processed meats, etc.

I just need to break this to my husband without being cast out Amish style.

Micky 32

JDD wrote: »

I'm seriously thinking about becoming vegetarian since this all started.

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Best of luck with that. There will be a nice steak thrown on the pan at lunchtime today in my household.

astrofool

patnor1011 wrote: »

And I think that we suffer from some god complex. What make you think that enforced and monitored mass vaccination of farm animals (and certainly humans too) worldwide will make any difference? Nature always find a way.
Like it found a way with our obsession with cleanliness and hygiene by giving us huge increase of allergies. So we traded one evil for another.
We should invest more in finding out how to improve our health by perhaps modifying our lifestyle or diet instead of looking for and waiting for some miracle jab or pill.
There is no vaccine against something which does not exist yet. If nothing then our flu vaccination story is a prime example of how covid vaccination will look like. Pure lottery waiting if we get the strain right.

The mutations that occur with COVID19 are nothing like that which occur with influenza, research so far looks like the spike protein that allows COVID19 to spread and infect so well also hinders it's ability to mutate.

This looks like a once in a generation pandemic, there's no evidence to suggest otherwise yet (even if the tabloids spill ink on every new virus, and random virologists opinion to make it seem otherwise.

Follow the science.

astrofool

JDD wrote: »

I'm seriously thinking about becoming vegetarian since this all started.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in science, I will take the vaccine and I think animals should be vaccinated against known viruses, but lets fact it we always overestimate the risk of something that has already happened, and underestimate the risk of something that is yet to happen. So we can vaccinate animals all we want, but new viruses will still come.

I've felt uncomfortable since March about the whole narrative of "oh them chinese and eating bats and dogs, if they stopped being so gross we wouldn't have these mass outbreaks". What's the difference between eating a bat and eating pigeon, or pig for that matter? There's nothing to say that the next pandemic won't be from a cow.

I love rashers. And sausages. And a roast chicken. But absolutely everything that's happening in the world seems to be pointing towards how our consumption of animal products is destroying everything. Climate change, this pandemic, cancer from processed meats, etc.

I just need to break this to my husband without being cast out Amish style.

There's a huge difference between a bat and a cow or pig from a virology standpoint, bats have a very different (aggressive) immune system to most animals.