COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Deeper Blue

Azatadine wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question but what is the reason for some of these posters that post absolute doom mongering negative lies/misconstrues/false conclusions because they don't understand the facts? Why post stuff that they clearly do not understand? Makes no sense to me.

From what I've seen since the birth of this forum many people can't/won't read past the daily mail style headlines.

Thierry12

El Sueño wrote: »

And it's been decided that the trials are ok to continue because these were presumably unrelated to the vaccine. I expect the US will soon restart the trials also.



It's been reported on and discussed at length before on this thread and possibly the main thread.



Saying "Oxford vaccine in big trouble" when there's no evidence of that would be considered by most to be sensationalist.

I'll be quoting this in a few weeks when trials are stopped permanently

Talk to you later

Thierry12

Thierry12 wrote: »

We have 2 now, if it gets a 3rd it cant be statistical coincidence

They've stopped the trial again anyway, probably getting all British women off it ;-)

Did you even read your own link?

Gael23

Thierry12 wrote: »

2 people of which are 2 british women, have got an extremely rare disease in a clinic trial for a vaccine

How is that not nothing new?

How is it sensationalism?

One was found to have multiple sclerosis which explained her symptoms. Not sure about the other but it was not related to the vaccine

Deeper Blue

Thierry12 wrote: »

I'll be quoting this in a few weeks when trials are stopped permanently

Talk to you later

You posted nonsense and got called on it, just take it on the chin and move on.

Gael23

Gael23 wrote: »

One was found to have multiple sclerosis which explained her symptoms. Not sure about the other but it was not related to the vaccine

Transverse myelitis, when not trigged by a condition such as ms, is more often than not triggered by immune response to a pathogen/ potential pathogen and is a known rare side effect of vaccines and Covid 19 itself. If the Covid vaccine was to trigger a number of incidences of transverse myelitis not greater than the expected rate of approved vaccines or the virus itself it would not prevent approval

Micky 32

It’s clear that there’s a cohort on here that actually don’t want the vaccine to work. Leads me to believe they don’t want life to go back to normal for whatever their agenda is.

irishgeo

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Well alright then genius, how come there isn't a HIV vaccine, or a cancer vaccine? Those have been around much longer than covid and nothing. I'll wait for your response

You spouting **** now. Want a hand putting your toys back in your pram?

Marhay70

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s clear that there’s a cohort on here that actually don’t want the vaccine to work. Leads me to believe they don’t want life to go back to normal for whatever their agenda is.

They're just mischief makers, the type of people who love to say "i told you so".
Most of the time they know absolutely F.A. about the subject and trawl the Web looking for some sort of sensational news about it, then delight in wasting our time by feeding it into threads like this because they know that people who do know something will jump to defend the truth.

Miike

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s clear that there’s a cohort on here that actually don’t want the vaccine to work. Leads me to believe they don’t want life to go back to normal for whatever their agenda is.

I try not to blame them. A treatment has never been developed with such keen public eye before, it's easy to draw false conclusions when there is very little understanding of what the development process looks like in the real world. The particular poster in question in this instance is the same person who claims every child in the country had a flu last year and "most adults" - An accurate demonstration of their level of understanding of infectious diseases. If this vaccine is permanently stopped, that's just how it is, though I think it's quite doubtful. There are a number of good runners in getting a vaccine out there - all we can do now is hope one/some/all come to fruition. This thread is laden with the inaccuracies of people who read sensationalist headlines and follow it up for a 15 second google of search terms which finds information that supports their 'argument', completely ignorant to the biases they endure.

There's a few posters in the COVID threads who are doing their very best to give accurate, unbiased information in a attempt to hopefully educate people but they're met with asinine retort. I gave up trying :pac:

Marhay70

Miike wrote: »

There's a few posters in the COVID threads who are doing their very best to give accurate, unbiased information in a attempt to hopefully educate people but they're met with asinine retort. I gave up trying :pac:

You see that's where I think you made a mistake, these guys delight in making people like you give up, it's their raison d'etre. I prefer to press the "jgnore button". That way they can prattle away all they like and I'll never see it, it's not like I'll be missing something interesting.

CiarraiManc

Thierry12 wrote: »

We have 2 now, if it gets a 3rd it cant be statistical coincidence

They've stopped the trial again anyway, probably getting all British women off it ;-)

They can wail all they want, their microwave meal quick vaccine fantasy is being shown as just that. See you in ten years lads then we'll talk

Icantthinkof1

Where is the ignore button by the way?

Miike

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Where is the ignore button by the way?

Go the their profile, click "user lists" and then ignore. Bliss :pac:

Marhay70

Marhay70 wrote: »

You see that's where I think you made a mistake, these guys delight in making people like you give up, it's their raison d'etre. I prefer to press the "jgnore button". That way they can prattle away all they like and I'll never see it, it's not like I'll be missing something interesting.

You do miss prime examples of stupidity and hyperbole doing that however. I prefer seeing how far will dig themselves into a hole or display how screwed up they are.

Marhay70

DubInMeath wrote: »

You do miss prime examples of stupidity and hyperbole doing that however. I prefer seeing how far will dig themselves into a hole or display how screwed up they are.

Horses for courses, I couldn't be ar*ed reading all the shi*e they post, makes my head hurt.

Micky 32

CiarraiManc wrote: »

See you in ten years lads then we'll talk

Whether there’s a vaccine or not i have bad news for you. The pandemic will be long over by then and peoples lives will be back to normal and they’ll be taking planes to the sky again, sorry.

CiarraiManc

Micky 32 wrote: »

Whether there’s a vaccine or not i have bad news for you. The pandemic will be long over by then and peoples lives will be back to normal and they’ll be taking planes to the sky again, sorry.

The pandemic won't end. Vaccine or no vaccine the WHO have said we'll need to make permanent adjustments to our lives. No st Paddy's day parade or piss up for you lads

Micky 32

CiarraiManc wrote: »

The pandemic won't end. Vaccine or no vaccine the WHO have said we'll need to make permanent adjustments to our lives. No st Paddy's day parade or piss up for you lads

Do you ever read up on history? Pandemics have been around since the dawn of man and they always recede after 2/3years on average. Life always went back to normal and will continue to do so. The odds aren’t in your favour.

CiarraiManc

Micky 32 wrote: »

Do you ever read up on history? Pandemics have been around since the dawn of man and they always recede after 2/3years on average. Life always went back to normal and will continue to do so. The odds aren’t in your favour.

Was the world as easily and widely connected then as it is now? Are you going to question the experts at the WHO

Micky 32

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Was the world as easily and widely connected then as it is now? Are you going to question the experts at the WHO

The WHO can never make their minds up they change their BS every 5 mins.

It’s not about worldwide connectivity. All serious viruses get weaker as time goes on. That’s what usually ends pandemics.

ShineOn7

Micky 32 wrote: »

All serious viruses get weaker as time goes on. That’s what usually ends pandemics.

All of them?

I'm hoping you're right, but have you a link to back up that up?

Micky 32

ShineOn7 wrote: »

All of them?

I'm hoping you're right, but have you a link to back up that up?

Was your life not normal before covid?

Hmmzis

ShineOn7 wrote: »

All of them?

I'm hoping you're right, but have you a link to back up that up?

It kind of goes both ways in reality. While most viral nutations are either neutral or deleterious the rate at which some might lose a functional protein could take a very long time and would have to have a notable transmissibility advantage to outcompete the non-mutated versions.

The other side is that viruses also adapt their hosts. The hosts that survive have a chance to procreate and pass on the genes that helped survive the infection while creating new potential hosts for the virus. The CCR5 Δ32 mutation in humans, especially Europeans, is quite intersting in this regard.

Sconsey

CiarraiManc wrote: »

The pandemic won't end. Vaccine or no vaccine the WHO have said we'll need to make permanent adjustments to our lives. No st Paddy's day parade or piss up for you lads

Hey you just said 'see you in 10 years lads'. What are you doing back so soon? It's only been a few minutes. Please don't make promises you can't keep.

I look forward to your next post here in September 2030.

ShineOn7

Micky 32 wrote: »

Was your life not normal before covid?

That's not addressing what I asked. You may as well have answered "I like oranges on Tuesdays, thanks" for all the sense it made

Again: have you a link to back up that every single pandemic lasts 3 years max?

I'm hoping you're right, but you can't say something that big without sourcing it

ShineOn7

Hmmzis wrote: »

It kind of goes both ways in reality. While most viral nutations are either neutral or deleterious the rate at which some might lose a functional protein could take a very long time and would have to have a notable transmissibility advantage to outcompete the non-mutated versions.

The other side is that viruses also adapt their hosts. The hosts that survive have a chance to procreate and pass on the genes that helped survive the infection while creating new potential hosts for the virus. The CCR5 Δ32 mutation in humans, especially Europeans, is quite intersting in this regard.

I appreciate your daily contributions to this thread, but can you gives us that a little plainer?

tobefrank321

smurfjed wrote: »

The UAE has already started distributing the Chinese vaccine to their health care workers and those considered vulnerable.

If it works they should see a dramatic decline in deaths. Fingers crossed. It will at least flatten the curve among the vulnerable meaning no further need for lockdowns.

CiarraiManc

Sconsey wrote: »

Hey you just said 'see you in 10 years lads'. What are you doing back so soon? It's only been a few minutes. Please don't make promises you can't keep.

I look forward to your next post here in September 2030.

Sorry if the dose of truth hurts. Weren't lads saying we could have been vaccinated by Christmas? How's that bit of science fiction working out?

ACitizenErased

Some on here absolutely beside themselves at the thought of no vaccine