COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

is_that_so

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Here´s a paragraph from Alison McDowells blog wrenchinthegears.com

If you read her, you will begin to see the wider picture of how Covid and the worldwide coordinated response is supercharging our movement into agenda 21, the fourth industrial revolution.
I have to admit that some of it seems just too outlandish, but Rockefeller did proclaim many years ago that ´´Data is the new OIl´´

Anyway here is a taste of Alison McDowell.

Consider a future of criminalized poverty where the threat of family separation is forever held over people’s heads to get them to comply to draconian edicts. The mass impoverishment being created by the global response to Covid is straight up market-shaping for a Fourth Industrial Revolution economy that will run on social impact schemes. This is biocapitalism, coyly branded by the Davos crowd as stake-holder capitalism. The sources of data extraction fueling it will be education, healthcare, and housing services. Human behavior, our relationships to one another and to the earth, will be calibrated against United Nation’s Sustainability Goal metrics ensuring we’re “good” obedient citizens, the scope of our lives limited to the generation of harvestable “transparent” data that will profit sociopathic investors.

How exactly is all of this connected to vaccines?

Polar101

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Five months ago I would have been cautious and taken precautions seriously, I'm sure I would have worn a mask in March if we were advised to.
Now I have come to the conclusion that we have nothing to fear but fear itself.

It's possible to do social distancing and wear masks (indoors) and not be afraid, too. I think everyone will be happier once they realize it's a common courtesy.

Marhay70

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Here´s a paragraph from Alison McDowells blog wrenchinthegears.com

If you read her, you will begin to see the wider picture of how Covid and the worldwide coordinated response is supercharging our movement into agenda 21, the fourth industrial revolution.
I have to admit that some of it seems just too outlandish, but Rockefeller did proclaim many years ago that ´´Data is the new OIl´´

Anyway here is a taste of Alison McDowell.

Consider a future of criminalized poverty where the threat of family separation is forever held over people’s heads to get them to comply to draconian edicts. The mass impoverishment being created by the global response to Covid is straight up market-shaping for a Fourth Industrial Revolution economy that will run on social impact schemes. This is biocapitalism, coyly branded by the Davos crowd as stake-holder capitalism. The sources of data extraction fueling it will be education, healthcare, and housing services. Human behavior, our relationships to one another and to the earth, will be calibrated against United Nation’s Sustainability Goal metrics ensuring we’re “good” obedient citizens, the scope of our lives limited to the generation of harvestable “transparent” data that will profit sociopathic investors.

Another new account bent on creating discord, one more for the ignore list.

3xh

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Good comment

Have a look at this wonderful Spanish doctor from the frontline in Madrid two days ago on TV.
The anchors tried to shut him up, but he was too bright for them

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tYyT51i7t9an/

5 minutes, explains everything. Current Spanish case numbers, limits of PCR tests, empty wards, etc. Yet he’ll be characterised as an oddball, eccentric, loose cannon not to be listened to.

What is it about what was discussed in that interview regarding the above points and the highlighted media stoking of it all so different to the situation in Ireland? Nothing.

We’re being infected with fear.

hmmm

3xh wrote: »

We’re being infected with fear.

This is the most optimistic thread in the place. The only people ****eing on about fear are yourself and your new friends.

Are you still afraid to wear a mask?
Afraid of a needle?
Afraid of being asked to do something that might help someone else?

nannerbenahs

3xh wrote: »

5 minutes, explains everything. Current Spanish case numbers, limits of PCR tests, empty wards, etc. Yet he’ll be characterised as an oddball, eccentric, loose cannon not to be listened to.

What is it about what was discussed in that interview regarding the above points and the highlighted media stoking of it all so different to the situation in Ireland? Nothing.

We’re being infected with fear.

Agree totally.. This doctor tells it as it is (no bull****) and calls out the criminal totally controlled mainstream media outlets that continue to stoke the fires of fear and panic.

nannerbenahs

The World Economic Forum and their video on the 4th Industrial Revolution. Some hopeful messages in there for sure, but if you listen carefully, some very scary people with the money and power to control human life in the near future.
Remember that event 201 in September was organised by the WEF and that all the Covid responses to date have been precisely mirroring what was predicted and acted out there.
Now we are being primed for the first phase of conmpulsory vaccinations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=680&v=kpW9JcWxKq0&feature=emb_logo

Hmmzis

In short about the Hong Kong patient:

Male, 33yo, first infection in late March symptomatic with fever and productive cough, had a few rough days. Tested negative an PCR on discharge from hospital after 2 weeks and also negative on IgG.

Same male tested positive on PCR second time in August, no symptoms, quite high Ct value on PCR (26+) and increasing over 5 days of follow up. Tested negative on PCR on discharge after 5 days and remained asymptomatic, no abnormal chest x-rays or other clinical indicators of disease. Only became IgG positive after 10 days - first time he got a detectable antibody response.

The high Ct on PCR leads me to think by the time they tested him, he was not harbouring infectious virus or the load was quite low, a few studies have found that above a Ct of 24 it becomes very difficult grow anything viable in the lab - https://www.jwatch.org/na51686/2020/06/02/determining-infectivity-sars-cov-2

All in all, I'd say flippn' great news! Someone who didn't have a detectable AB response from the first infection got rid of the bug a second time like it's nothing, even built a detectable AB response from it. His immune system cells did what they were supposed to do, recalled the response they built up the first time and made a short affair of it the 2nd time round. How can the media spin this as negative is beyond me...

Gael23

What’s this to do with vaccines?

daydorunrun

Gael23 wrote: »

What’s this to do with vaccines?

Everything. The behaviour of a novel virus in terms of infection and reinfection has big implications to vaccine production.....not to mention the other subject in the thread title- testing procedures.

Ten of Swords

nannerbenahs

Your recent posts are better suited to the Conspiracy Theories forum, there is a lengthy covid discussion there
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Any more conspiracy posts in this thread will be removed

3xh

hmmm wrote: »

This is the most optimistic thread in the place. The only people ****eing on about fear are yourself and your new friends.

Are you still afraid to wear a mask?
Afraid of a needle?
Afraid of being asked to do something that might help someone else?

Thanks. At least I now know you fully support anyone in a white coat and has Dr. before their name. Because they’ve never been wrong before.
And now with this super fast, financially rewarding race to be the first to market with a vaccine, the chances of human error will only decrease.

Some people just seem to fully accept anything a government tells them. You’re obviously one of those. Fair enough.

timsey tiger

3xh wrote: »

Thanks. At least I now know you fully support anyone in a white coat and has Dr. before their name. Because they’ve never been wrong before.
And now with this super fast, financially rewarding race to be the first to market with a vaccine, the chances of human error will only decrease.

Some people just seem to fully accept anything a government tells them. You’re obviously one of those. Fair enough.

From the general flow of your argument, it appears that you think decrease means the opposite of what it actually does. About par for most of the stuff you spout.

hmmm

3xh wrote: »

And now with this super fast, financially rewarding race to be the first to market with a vaccine, the chances of human error will only decrease.

At the same time you are telling everyone they are being "infected with fear" you are trying to spread fear yourself. If you're terrified of vaccines this thread is clearly not a good place for you to be.

Here's a good article on what we should expect from the vaccine trials, the types of side effects that the regulators will be looking out for, and the actual real risks that will remain after the trials:
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/25/preparing-for-the-vaccine-results

mean gene

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Good comment

Have a look at this wonderful Spanish doctor from the frontline in Madrid two days ago on TV.
The anchors tried to shut him up, but he was too bright for them

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tYyT51i7t9an/

That's class fair play to the doctor -media driven circus

is_that_so

Polar101 wrote: »

It's possible to do social distancing and wear masks (indoors) and not be afraid, too. I think everyone will be happier once they realize it's a common courtesy.

Yep, people without masks are uncouth and just not as enlightened as you.

is_that_so

mean gene wrote: »

That's class fair play to the doctor -media driven circus

A lot of that comes from loose tongues encouraging the media to come to conclusions. I prefer our more terse briefings where they are far less inclined to prognosticate or give out details they can't stand over.

3xh

timsey tiger wrote: »

From the general flow of your argument, it appears that you think decrease means the opposite of what it actually does. About par for most of the stuff you spout.

The first paragraph was sarcasm. As in, I do not think human errors will decrease as a result of it being a very lucrative, time focused race for the pharmaceutical companies involved.

It’s important that’s made clear, seeing as you dismiss my views as spouting.

You fall into the second paragraph (Just accepting what’s told to you because you know no better and they wouldn’t lie to you), obviously.

nannerbenahs

Ten of Swords wrote: »

nannerbenahs

Your recent posts are better suited to the Conspiracy Theories forum, there is a lengthy covid discussion there
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Any more conspiracy posts in this thread will be removed

Okay, I get the message... this is a ´´safe space´´
I would just ask you this..however, since sometimes there can be a very thin line between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact.

If someone had made a post 7 months ago (around the time the WHO declared their pandemic) that we were going to experience this extraordinary worldwide meltdown and all the pain it entails, poverty and humiliation, don´t you think they too would have been asked to move to the designated looney page of your forum?

I think it is fair to say that our real living experience of 2020 would have left even the most looney conspiracy theorist of 2019 gobsmacked.

Call me Al

When can we expect to see results from phase 3 trials?
How long do they normally take to complete?

timsey tiger

3xh wrote: »

The first paragraph was sarcasm. As in, I do not think human errors will decrease as a result of it being a very lucrative, time focused race for the pharmaceutical companies involved.

It’s important that’s made clear, seeing as you dismiss my views as spouting.

You fall into the second paragraph (Just accepting what’s told to you because you know no better and they wouldn’t lie to you), obviously.

Ah the Donald Trump defense, I was being sarcastic, now that I've checked the definition in a dictionary.

timsey tiger

nannerbenahs wrote: »

Okay, I get the message... this is a ´´safe space´´
I would just ask you this..however, since sometimes there can be a very thin line between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact.

If only this were a space safe from morons spouting nonsense,

Gael23

Anyone seen this? https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40037516.html

He is suggesting late 2021 before the Oxford vsccine is available for the general population

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

Anyone seen this? https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40037516.html

He is suggesting late 2021 before the Oxford vsccine is available for the general population

It was always going to be into 2021.

Early approval for front line workers in early 2021 would be emergency approval with those vulnerable front of the queue after that.

Everyone else well into mid 2021.

But as he states in the article the timeline is dependent on how the trials progress and that they could have all the data they need this year depending on case numbers

Le Bruise

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It was always going to be into 2021.

Early approval for front line workers in early 2021 would be emergency approval with those vulnerable front of the queue after that.

Everyone else well into mid 2021.

But as he states in the article the timeline is dependent on how the trials progress and that they could have all the data they need this year depending on case numbers

With front line/vulnerable being vaccinated in early 2021 (hopefully), would that mean the rest of the population could go back to some form of normality or do we have to wait for the full roll out for that?

hmmm

Le Bruise wrote: »

With front line/vulnerable being vaccinated in early 2021 (hopefully), would that mean the rest of the population could go back to some form of normality or do we have to wait for the full roll out for that?

A lot will depend on the trials, how well the vaccine is tolerated & the types of immune responses they are seeing in various groups. Many vaccines don't work well in those groups, and instead of receiving a vaccine they are reliant on general herd immunity through vaccination of ordinary (healthy) people.

It'd be great to see it becoming available to first-responders to reduce their risk, but the risk of us should expect unfortunately to continue with current measures until there is more widespread vaccination.

Gael23

People won’t give up another summer next year

Le Bruise

hmmm wrote: »

A lot will depend on the trials, how well the vaccine is tolerated & the types of immune responses they are seeing in various groups. Many vaccines don't work well in those groups, and instead of receiving a vaccine they are reliant on general herd immunity through vaccination of ordinary (healthy) people.

It'd be great to see it becoming available to first-responders to reduce their risk, but the risk of us should expect unfortunately to continue with current measures until there is more widespread vaccination.

I was afraid of that.

I'm still holding out some hope for the development of an affordable rapid home testing kit to get us up and running before the vaccine. Might be pie in the sky, but it gets me through the day!

Le Bruise

Gael23 wrote: »

People won’t give up another summer next year

Would be a hard sell alright. The music/festival/sports industries would be absolutely decimated (even more than they are now).

This article https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-52893654 from June gave me some hope that events could go ahead during the pandemic through testing, but have heard nothing more since then!

hmmm

Le Bruise wrote: »

I was afraid of that.

I'm still holding out some hope for the development of an affordable rapid home testing kit to get us up and running before the vaccine. Might be pie in the sky, but it gets me through the day!

Ah yeah there's lots that could happen to improve things - we're about to see a flurry of testing results. At the moment everyone is afraid to give dates and create false hopes in people, but by the end of the year we should know whether we have a vaccine that works, and an approximate schedule of when it should be available.