COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

briany

Guys,
It succeded me, via an insider, to get this Russian vaccine against COVID-19. And for people who are scared that it is not tested and sæfe, i can tēll yöū i triəd itski and thëræ is hardly efectoski secundarioski и меня зовут Лопес Обрадор, и я коррумпирован и лжец и почему я даю чистые прямые награды.

tobefrank321

At some stage we'll have to weigh up the ethical issues of challenge trials versus slower vaccine development for covid 19.

In 8 months, 800,000 people have died. About 100,000 people a month are dying from covid 19 and every month delay will cost a similar number of lives.

On the otherhand a challenge trial in a controlled environment with easy access to hospital ICUs, treatments, etc may not cost any lives or a few but may in the long run save hundreds of thousands of lives.

hmmm

briany wrote: »

Guys,
It succeded me, via an insider, to get this Russian vaccine against COVID-19. And for people who are scared that it is not tested and sæfe, i can tēll yöū i triəd itski and thëræ is hardly efectoski secundarioski и меня зовут Лопес Обрадор, и я коррумпирован и лжец и почему я даю чистые прямые награды.

Marhay70

El Sueño wrote: »

Of course rte would put the most negative spin possible on that story to terrify people even further.

They are a disgrace.

I fail to see what RTE would have to gain by terrifying people. They are a national broadcaster, supported by public subscription, so not dependent on selling newspapers or such.

stevek93

is_that_so wrote: »

Call them!

I did, all they do is take your details and say they will call you back.

tobefrank321

Marhay70 wrote: »

I fail to see what RTE would have to gain by terrifying people. They are a national broadcaster, supported by public subscription, so not dependent on selling newspapers or such.

An older person with a weakened immune system successfully fought off a reinfection. Their body likely had some memory of the previous infection. That's definitely a good news story.

Marhay70

tobefrank321 wrote: »

An older person with a weakened immune system successfully fought off a reinfection. Their body likely had some memory of the previous infection. That's definitely a good news story.

To then question whether a vaccine would work is definitely scare mongering.

Weak argument. Nobody knows if a vaccine will work and the function of journalists is to question these things. I'm pretty sure RTE are not alone in this.
There are many instances of older and immuno compromised people recovering from Covid, again published all over the media. Is the suggestion that the two stories were deliberately linked for the sake of sensation? I don't accept that and I'm no big fan of RTE.

Deeper Blue

Marhay70 wrote: »

I fail to see what RTE would have to gain by terrifying people. They are a national broadcaster, supported by public subscription, so not dependent on selling newspapers or such.

Which makes their reporting of covid even more deplorable.

Many elderly people use RTE as their main news source and if you were to watch the 9pm news on a typical day it's mostly doom & gloom and/or sky-is-falling hysteria.

Marhay70

El Sueño wrote: »

Which makes their reporting of covid even more deplorable.

Many elderly people use RTE as their main news source and if you were to watch the 9pm news on a typical day it's mostly doom & gloom and/or sky-is-falling hysteria.

I am an older person, I don't use RTE as my main source of news, I will take my news from whatever source is convenient. I would rather have the facts as they are and not be lulled into a false sense of security by somebody who tells me what, in their opinion, I would like to hear.

Martina1991

stevek93 wrote:

Tested Friday, still no results back. Seriously now?

Try ringing the NVRL not HSE live.

Call: 1850 24 1850
Or their results line: 01-7164414 between 08.30 - 13.00, 14.00 - 17.30

Or alternatively ring your GP to follow it up.

Elmer Blooker

El Sueño wrote: »

Which makes their reporting of covid even more deplorable.

Many elderly people use RTE as their main news source and if you were to watch the 9pm news on a typical day it's mostly doom & gloom and/or sky-is-falling hysteria.

I'm even shocked by RTE's fear mongering today and I though I heard it all!
Children and back to school is today's theme in order to ramp up the fear factor.

The good news is that children will ignore this social distancing nonsense when they see their friends because children don't know what social distancing is.
Are they going to be physically kept 2 meters apart?

stevek93

Martina1991 wrote: »

Try ringing the NVRL not HSE live.

Call: 1850 24 1850
Or their results line: 01-7164414 between 08.30 - 13.00, 14.00 - 17.30

Or alternatively ring your GP to follow it up.

I rang the NVRL they don’t give out results anymore. Issue I have is I cannot receive medical treatment until my results are back, I am not well at the moment and I cannot visit the doctor until they come back negative.

Marhay70

Good to see some concrete movement on the treatment front, it's really been a bare cupboard.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40037429.html

Martina1991

stevek93 wrote:

I rang the NVRL they don’t give out results anymore. Issue I have is I cannot receive medical treatment until my results are back, I am not well at the moment and I cannot visit the doctor until they come back negative.

Did you provide the name and details of your GP when you had your swab taken.
They may have your results on their database called Health link.

stevek93

Martina1991 wrote: »

Did you provide the name and details of your GP when you had your swab taken.
They may have your results on their database called Health link.

Yes details of GP was taken. I called my GP at 11am they haven’t got anything back yet.

Gael23

tobefrank321 wrote: »

At some stage we'll have to weigh up the ethical issues of challenge trials versus slower vaccine development for covid 19.

In 8 months, 800,000 people have died. About 100,000 people a month are dying from covid 19 and every month delay will cost a similar number of lives.

On the otherhand a challenge trial in a controlled environment with easy access to hospital ICUs, treatments, etc may not cost any lives or a few but may in the long run save hundreds of thousands of lives.

Who’s life do you sacrifice for the trial?

tobefrank321

Gael23 wrote: »

Who’s life do you sacrifice for the trial?

After doing a bit of research, it seems the Oxford phase 3 trials involve low risk participants in the 18-55 age category.

Andréa Barbosa, the ophthalmologist, met the basic requirements for participation in the vaccine trial: As a health professional, she has significant exposure to the coronavirus in daily life, and she’s between 18 and 55 years old.
She had her first visit to the Idor clinic in Botafogo on July 4. A nursing team checked her vital signs, height, and weight. Then she was interviewed to assure that she met all the trial criteria. People with manageable conditions, such as asthma, were accepted, but those with chronic diseases or an immunosuppressive condition were precluded.

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2020/07/oxford-vaccine-enters-final-phase-of-covid-19-trials-heres-what

They seem to be ruling out a fair proportion of the population in this trial and almost everyone at risk.

A challenge trial would achieve the same in a faster way and because its low risk participants, the risk of deaths of some participants from being infected would be miniscule/almost non existent. Treatment has improved greatly in the last number of months.

But it would speed vaccine development up significantly and save hundreds of thousands of lives. Every month about 100,000 die from covid 19.

Sconsey

I'm sure they know what they are doing, there is probably a whole branch of science dedicated to how to do valid vaccine trials.

hmmm

tobefrank321 wrote: »

After doing a bit of research, it seems the Oxford phase 3 trials involve low risk participants in the 18-55 age category.

That's a report on the Phase 1 trial. The criteria for Phase 3 is listed here (anyone over 18, with some exclusions):
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

hmmm

Super article from Helen Branswell, quoting proper experts:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/25/four-scenarios-on-how-we-might-develop-immunity-to-covid-19/

"Christian Drosten, who is another co-discoverer of SARS-1, describes a future that fits into this category.

“I clearly expect lasting and relevant immunity that is almost sterilizing immunity against SARS-2 in almost every person infected with SARS-2,” Drosten, director of the Institute of Virology at Berlin’s Charité University Hospital, said via email.

“It may be possible to become infected again, without any change in the virus. The resulting infection will be mild or asymptomatic, with significantly lower levels of virus replication and onward transmission.”

"If these experts are correct, and the worst-case scenario is off the table, humans can expect to see a waning of the threat SARS-2 poses to people over time. Our immune systems will know how to deal with it. It could become the fifth human coronavirus to cause common colds."

Charles Babbage

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The good news is that children will ignore this social distancing nonsense when they see their friends because children don't know what social distancing is.
Are they going to be physically kept 2 meters apart?

Children have an excuse for ignorance, but seemingly the headmasters of their schools also don't know what social distancing is either.

Gael23

How much difference would challenge trials make timelines?

Elmer Blooker

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Children have an excuse for ignorance, but seemingly the headmasters of their schools also don't know what social distancing is either.

I was in a seaside town in the southeast a couple of weeks ago, the weather was good, every holiday home was booked out, beaches were packed and bars packed too in the evenings after customers finished their €9 meal from a takeaway.
The only evidence of this covid thing was people putting on a mask as they entered a supermarket and whipping it off when they left.
I saw no evidence of any social distancing whatsoever and it was a breath of fresh air! A thoroughly enjoyable visit to the sunny southeast!

hmmm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I saw no evidence of any social distancing whatsoever and it was a breath of fresh air! A thoroughly enjoyable visit to the sunny southeast!

There's already about 5 threads where yourself and your fellow patriots can delight in telling everyone how little attention you are paying to basic precautions.

tobefrank321

Gael23 wrote: »

How much difference would challenge trials make timelines?

Maybe 2-3 months.

With the volunteers in the Brazil trial, it could take a couple of months for enough people to be infected or exposed to the virus. The infection rate is high in Brazil, probably around 500 / 100,000 in the last two weeks, but it would still take a while for several hundred people in a trial to be infected.

Elmer Blooker

hmmm wrote: »

There's already about 5 threads where yourself and your fellow patriots can delight in telling everyone how little attention you are paying to basic precautions.

Five months ago I would have been cautious and taken precautions seriously, I'm sure I would have worn a mask in March if we were advised to.
Now I have come to the conclusion that we have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Marhay70

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I was in a seaside town in the southeast a couple of weeks ago, the weather was good, every holiday home was booked out, beaches were packed and bars packed too in the evenings after customers finished their €9 meal from a takeaway.
The only evidence of this covid thing was people putting on a mask as they entered a supermarket and whipping it off when they left.
I saw no evidence of any social distancing whatsoever and it was a breath of fresh air! A thoroughly enjoyable visit to the sunny southeast!

I live in a seaside town in the southeast and the incidence of Covid has increased dramatically since the holiday parks and "pubs" have been allowed to reopen . Coincidence? I think not

is_that_so

Marhay70 wrote: »

I live in a seaside town in the southeast and the incidence of Covid has increased dramatically since the holiday parks and "pubs" have been allowed to reopen . Coincidence? I think not

It's what's been seen elsewhere. With the end of the holiday season nigh, in theory it should begin to decline.

nannerbenahs

Good comment

Have a look at this wonderful Spanish doctor from the frontline in Madrid two days ago on TV.
The anchors tried to shut him up, but he was too bright for them

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tYyT51i7t9an/

nannerbenahs

Here´s a paragraph from Alison McDowells blog wrenchinthegears.com

If you read her, you will begin to see the wider picture of how Covid and the worldwide coordinated response is supercharging our movement into agenda 21, the fourth industrial revolution.
I have to admit that some of it seems just too outlandish, but Rockefeller did proclaim many years ago that ´´Data is the new OIl´´

Anyway here is a taste of Alison McDowell.

Consider a future of criminalized poverty where the threat of family separation is forever held over people’s heads to get them to comply to draconian edicts. The mass impoverishment being created by the global response to Covid is straight up market-shaping for a Fourth Industrial Revolution economy that will run on social impact schemes. This is biocapitalism, coyly branded by the Davos crowd as stake-holder capitalism. The sources of data extraction fueling it will be education, healthcare, and housing services. Human behavior, our relationships to one another and to the earth, will be calibrated against United Nation’s Sustainability Goal metrics ensuring we’re “good” obedient citizens, the scope of our lives limited to the generation of harvestable “transparent” data that will profit sociopathic investors.