COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

FutureTeashock

Micky 32 wrote: »

So what do you think could be worse? A hot flush with a slight headache or a more dangerous illness that you can spread? Are you looking for reasons not to take it?

The Covid 19 mortality rate is 0.26%, so I'll take my chances with this deadly virus, thanks.

Enjoy your reactogenic vaccine.

ACitizenErased

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The Covid 19 mortality rate is 0.26%, so I'll take my chances with this deadly virus, thanks.

Enjoy your reactogenic vaccine.

Really really scared for my sore arm

NaFirinne

Mandatory Vaccines is Mark of the Beast territory.

Pure evil disguised as saving us all.

ACitizenErased

NaFirinne wrote: »

Mandatory Vaccines is Mark of the Beast territory.

Pure evil disguised as saving us all.

Anti-vaxx is about as evil as it gets :pac:

Nonoperational

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Anti-vaxx is about as evil as it gets :pac:

Often born from mental illness / paranoid psychosis.

Micky 32

FutureTeashock wrote: »

The Covid 19 mortality rate is 0.26%, so I'll take my chances with this deadly virus, thanks.

Enjoy your reactogenic vaccine.

My parents are full of life in their 70s but have heart conditions, so yeah i'll enjoy my reactogenic vaccine and the high i'll get from 2 Solpadeine.

Also it's not just about risking your health it's all the restrictions you'll have in your life because of the virus. You can't travel, you have to stay 2 metres apart etc etc

FutureTeashock

Nonoperational wrote: »

Often born from mental illness / paranoid psychosis.

Tell that to the victims of the swine flu vaccine going through the high court. :rolleyes:

alwald

This thread was nice to get the latest news on a vaccine (mainly from 2 or 3 well informed posters), but lately all I see are comments about anti-vaxx, pro-vaxx and whatnot. It's pity as it was a nice daily read for many of us.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Also it's not just about risking your health it's all the restrictions you'll have in your life because of the virus. You can't travel, you have to stay 2 metres apart etc etc

No need for all this scaremongering, we don't know yet if this virus will be with us for the rest of our lives.
Also, as posted earlier, some form of distance and measures will remain in place even with a vaccine. Experts are stating that it's possible that the first generation vaccines are not going to entirely prevent severe disease.

Micky 32

alwald wrote: »

This thread was nice to get the latest news on a vaccine (mainly from 2 or 3 well informed posters), but lately all I see are comments about anti-vaxx, pro-vaxx and whatnot. It's pity as it was a nice daily read for many of us.



No need for all this scaremongering, we don't know yet if this virus will be with us for the rest of our lives.
Also, as posted earlier, some form of distance and measures will remain in place even with a vaccine. Experts are stating that it's possible that the first generation vaccines are not going to entirely prevent severe disease.

It’s not scaremongering. The virus won’t be going anywhere. It’s important that most people take it to make sure of herd immunity. I guess you missed the poster who posted the Oxford vaccine can produce 3 times the immunity than the virus itself?

alwald

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s not scaremongering. The virus won’t be going anywhere. It’s important that most people take it to make sure of herd immunity. I guess you missed the poster who posted the Oxford vaccine can produce 3 times the immunity than the virus itself?

Yes most, not all, so if some people have a genuine reason/fear for their health to not take a vaccine then it's grand. 60% to 70% should in theory be enough for herd immunity.

Edit: The issue isn't with the 3 times immunity but rather the possible long term effects, we are talking effects that can be diagnosed in years to come, that are worrying some people.

FishOnABike

Marhay70 wrote: »

Although I will have it myself when available, I wouldn't be in favour of mandatory vaccination, it's not as if the world hasn't had experience of vaccinations that have gone wrong and it's not as if the developers can cater for every eventuality in their tests, so really a full account of known pros and cons of having the vaccine should be provided as usual to the prospective recipient and an informed decision made.
Imagine the catastrophe if the cure happened to be worse than the disease.

The problem with that is most people don't have the requisite knowledge or the time to fully inform themselves from primary source research to make an informed decision, and I'd include myself in that category.

Where some people give as much weight and credence to random social media rantings as they do to evidence based research I wouldn't have much faith in the soundness of all decisions.

If people's decisions just effected themselves it would be fine but their decisions effect society as a whole.

Hmmzis

And hot on Moderna's heels BioNTech/Pfizer are starting their phase 3 a well and they've chosen the full S protein version as the final candidate. Dosage is going to e 2x30ug spaced 21 days apart.

https://biontechse.gcs-web.com/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-choose-lead-mrna-vaccine-candidate-against


Also to note, there will be 120 sites across the world where they are going to test it. They'll be seeking approval by October if trials are successfull.

LiquidZeb

Micky 32 wrote: »

So what do you think could be worse? A hot flush with a slight headache or a more dangerous illness that you can spread? Are you looking for reasons not to take it?

Not taking the vaccine because it gives you fever is like Lewis Hamilton not wearing a helmet because it's too tight. You getting a fever shows that it has an immune response.

Santy2015

Hmmzis wrote: »

And hot on Moderna's heels BioNTech/Pfizer are starting their phase 3 a well and they've chosen the full S protein version as the final candidate. Dosage is going to e 2x30ug spaced 21 days apart.

https://biontechse.gcs-web.com/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-choose-lead-mrna-vaccine-candidate-against


Also to note, there will be 120 sites across the world where they are going to test it. They'll be seeking approval by October if trials are successfull.

More good news. This bodes well for everyone next year. But hopefully all at risk groups here get some form of vaccine by year end.
Would you say that we should all get the flu vaccine as we wait for the Covid one?

FintanMcluskey

FishOnABike wrote: »

If people's decisions just effected themselves it would be fine but their decisions effect society as a whole.

Interesting point.

Why does the NHS struggle to get frontline healthcare workers to recieve the influenza vaccine every year?

Despite them being a direct transmission risk to vunerable patient's?

hmmm

Another interesting vaccine candidate, but at a much earlier stage than the ones we've been discussing so far. What's interesting about this one is that it is showing good results, and uses the same processes as the Flu vaccine for manufacture - so could have large-scale manufacturing relatively quickly.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.26.221861v1.full.pdf

"The NDV vector vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 described in this study has advantages similar to those of
48 other viral vector vaccines. But the NDV vector can be amplified in embryonated chicken eggs, which
49 allows for high yields and low costs per dose. Also, the NDV vector is not a human pathogen, therefore
50 the delivery of the foreign antigen would not be compromised by any pre-existing immunity in humans.
51 Finally, NDV has a very good safety record in humans, as it has been used in many oncolytic virus trials.
52 This study provides an important option for a cost-effective SARS-CoV-2 vaccine."

Knex*

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Not taking the vaccine because it gives you fever is like Lewis Hamilton not wearing a helmet because it's too tight. You getting a fever shows that it has an immune response.

It's bizarre.

The confidence that they can shrug off covid without any complications, but will struggle with the potential for a mild fever from a vaccine is mental

polesheep

Knex* wrote: »

It's bizarre.

The confidence that they can shrug off covid without any complications, but will struggle with the potential for a mild fever from a vaccine is mental

That's quite an assumption on your part. The fact is most people who are wary of the vaccine will be wary as a result of the speed in which it will have been developed and delivered (If it arrives). I've had vaccines when travelling to Africa that gave me a fever and a sore arm. I wasn't bothered as I knew that they were proven vaccines and other than some transient discomfort there wasn't going to any issue. Not wanting to be first in line to take a rushed vaccine is a valid concern.

Marhay70

Really, it would be nice to take the thread back to its original purpose which was information. There are some very informed and knowledgeable people contributing here and their contributions can be swallowed up by arguments for and against vaccination and compulsion etc. There are valid arguments to be made on both sides but I'm sure someone could start a separate thread for that.

Polar101

polesheep wrote: »

The fact is most people who are wary of the vaccine will be wary as a result of the speed in which it will have been developed and delivered (If it arrives).

Yeah, and a lot of those people read on social media that vaccines are bad for you. And usually because they "know someone, who got narcolepsy".

To me it makes more sense to trust a vaccine developed by medical scientists, which might help to end a pandemic, than be wary of it because someone on the internet said it could be risky.

LiquidZeb

polesheep wrote: »

That's quite an assumption on your part. The fact is most people who are wary of the vaccine will be wary as a result of the speed in which it will have been developed and delivered (If it arrives). I've had vaccines when travelling to Africa that gave me a fever and a sore arm. I wasn't bothered as I knew that they were proven vaccines and other than some transient discomfort there wasn't going to any issue. Not wanting to be first in line to take a rushed vaccine is a valid concern.

It's not rushed they've just run all the safety procedures simultaneously. People are reading the word rushed in the news and running with the worst possible interpretation of it's use.

polesheep

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah, and a lot of those people read on social media that vaccines are bad for you. And usually because they "know someone, who got narcolepsy".

To me it makes more sense to trust a vaccine developed by medical scientists, which might help to end a pandemic, than be wary of it because someone on the internet said it could be risky.

And me too. I just don't like the way in which valid concerns as to the safety of the vaccine given the speed of it's development are lumped into the anti-vax category.

polesheep

LiquidZeb wrote: »

It's not rushed they've just run all the safety procedures simultaneously. People are reading the word rushed in the news and running with the worst possible interpretation of it's use.

That's the definition of rushing. There is a reason why the procedures are not normally done simultaneously.

I believe we will get a vaccine of some sort soon, I'm fairly confident that it will be generally safe and I will take it, I just won't be first in line.

LiquidZeb

polesheep wrote: »

That's the definition of rushing. There is a reason why the procedures are not normally done simultaneously.

I believe we will get a vaccine of some sort soon, I'm fairly confident that it will be generally safe and I will take it, I just won't be first in line.

They're not normally done simultaneously because there's never been the sense of urgency to develop a vaccine before. What's happening is the innovation of the vaccine development process. Just because it took years in the past doesn't mean it has to anymore.

Gael23

Assetbacked wrote: »

What a messed up society that would be for a virus that isn't very harmful for the working and school going population. Good thing you're just a keyboard warrior and not a dictator of our country!

What about the person sitting next to you that has a high risk spouse or parent at home. You infect that person and they bring it home.
This virus shows no mercy

polesheep

LiquidZeb wrote: »

They're not normally done simultaneously because there's never been the sense of urgency to develop a vaccine before. What's happening is the innovation of the vaccine development process. Just because it took years in the past doesn't mean it has to anymore.

They're not normally done simultaneously because each procedure informs the next. But look, this is a good thread and I wouldn't like to derail it. Here's hoping we get an effective and safe vaccine as soon as possible.

hmmm

Marhay70 wrote: »

Really, it would be nice to take the thread back to its original purpose which was information. There are some very informed and knowledgeable people contributing here and their contributions can be swallowed up by arguments for and against vaccination and compulsion etc. There are valid arguments to be made on both sides but I'm sure someone could start a separate thread for that.

We originally had a thread just for news etc., but the mods combined it with this thread.

@mods can we have a separate thread without the anti-vaccine stuff?

LiquidZeb

hmmm wrote: »

We originally had a thread just for news etc., but the mods combined it with this thread.

@mods can we have a separate thread without the anti-vaccine stuff?

There is a separate thread it's called the conspiracy theories forum.

paw patrol

Gael23 wrote: »

What about the person sitting next to you that has a high risk spouse or parent at home. You infect that person and they bring it home.
This virus shows no mercy

personal autonomy is overridden cos the stranger may get sick . If legally enforced that is tyranny. I'd consider the point is this was ebola-esque but it is not


In the past few weeks the number of active cases has doubled (its' 764 now) but the cases in ICU have more than halved as the newer cases appear to be younger people. This isn't the plague.

Hmmzis

Santy2015 wrote: »

More good news. This bodes well for everyone next year. But hopefully all at risk groups here get some form of vaccine by year end.
Would you say that we should all get the flu vaccine as we wait for the Covid one?

Yes, get the flu jab, absolutelly. Getting the wild type flu and SARS2 at the same time might not be something to take lightly.

Plus, the flu jabs are trivalent or even quadrivalent shots of the inactivated virus type. They're a good boost to the innate immune responses as well, not near the attenuated types, but certainly better than nothing.