Corona Virus and events

Unthought Known

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

How do you plan on rounding the fine for essential travel / flying over?

It's 6 months away.

OOnegative

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Positive news at last!!!

Kander

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

How do you plan on rounding the fine for essential travel / flying over?

Ah I'll figure that out closer to the time. No point stressing about it now, I've a Marathon to get ready for before then

Stark

Unthought Known wrote: »

It's 6 months away.

And if that nonsense is still in place, there's Belfast I'd love to see Belfast International's growth forecast for this year

event

Stark wrote: »

And if that nonsense is still in place, there's Belfast I'd love to see Belfast International's growth forecast for this year

Strongly considering Belfast this year to be honest. I live in Louth so not that far of a drive up and down either

Naked Lepper

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

How do you plan on rounding the fine for essential travel / flying over?

there is always one!

some people seem to have stockholm syndrome, people hoping to be in lockdown indefinitely!

the government are set to have everyone vaccine by this summer with the intent to reopen thereafter.

october is ages away, i would hope the lockdowns are well and truly a thing of the past by then

average_runner

Naked Lepper wrote: »

there is always one!

some people seem to have stockholm syndrome, people hoping to be in lockdown indefinitely!

the government are set to have everyone vaccine by this summer with the intent to reopen thereafter.

october is ages away, i would hope the lockdowns are well and truly a thing of the past by then

You must of missed all the news yesterday. Think the odds of all done by the summer have got longer sadly

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

You must of missed all the news yesterday. Think the odds of all done by the summer have got longer sadly

There is no reason for lockdowns once the vulnerable are vaccinated and ICU and hospital numbers plummet.

Whatever happened to the reason for lockdowns being to flatten the curve. Now it seems to be lockdowns until everyone is vaccinated.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

There is no reason for lockdowns once the vulnerable are vaccinated and ICU and hospital numbers plummet.

Whatever happened to the reason for lockdowns being to flatten the curve. Now it seems to be lockdowns until everyone is vaccinated.

Totally agree. Once the virus doesn't put a strain on the health service, lets rock and roll

MayoSalmon

average_runner wrote: »

Totally agree. Once the virus doesn't put a strain on the health service, lets rock and roll

And if it does we just stay in lockdown forever yeah:pac:

average_runner

MayoSalmon wrote: »

And if it does we just stay in lockdown forever yeah:pac:

Or invest heavily in the healthcare, raise taxes if needs be.


But we can't be in a position where people can't get to a hospital due to covid.


As said before, our neighbour daughter had a heart attack, was unconscious leaving the house. Ambulance crew told her, if it had happen in Jan she be dead as they would never of made it out to her!! She was 20.


We can't be in a position like that, we need to change how things work in this country.

MayoSalmon

average_runner wrote: »

Or invest heavily in the healthcare, raise taxes if needs be.


But we can't be in a position where people can't get to a hospital due to covid.


As said before, our neighbour daughter had a heart attack, was unconscious leaving the house. Ambulance crew told her, if it had happen in Jan she be dead as they would never of made it out to her!! She was 20.


We can't be in a position like that, we need to change how things work in this country.

Irish healthcare spending is more than most countries in Europe already, the same countries that haven't spent the last 9 months+ in lockdown.

Throwing more money at it, very Irish solution I suppose.

Oh and Ireland has a relatively young population compared to our European neighbors...think only 13% of our population is over 65 compared to 19% for Europe...yet another red herring for the longest lockdown in the world.

Ceepo

average_runner wrote: »

Or invest heavily in the healthcare, raise taxes if needs be.


But we can't be in a position where people can't get to a hospital due to covid.


As said before, our neighbour daughter had a heart attack, was unconscious leaving the house. Ambulance crew told her, if it had happen in Jan she be dead as they would never of made it out to her!! She was 20.


We can't be in a position like that, we need to change how things work in this country.

There is huge investment in the health service, I'm not sure throwing more money at it without changing the outdated and dysfunctional system would be the right thing to do.

Pre covid we had upwards of 300 patients on trollies every week, and huge waiting list's, I sure hope we don't go back to that post covid.

Now I fully understand that the waiting list have increased, it's more how we go about getting the waiting list down fast,

ariana`

Ceepo wrote: »

There is huge investment in the health service, I'm not sure throwing more money at it without changing the outdated and dysfunctional system would be the right thing to do.

Pre covid we had upwards of 300 patients on trollies every week, and huge waiting list's, I sure hope we don't go back to that post covid.

Now I fully understand that the waiting list have increased, it's more how we go about getting the waiting list down fast,

I don't think they will ever sort out the waiting lists, it's a losing battle. My son was referred to Paeds last July, I rang them a month ago and was told he was still 1+ year away from being seen. We decided to go privately and were seen a couple of weeks later so one less child on the public waiting list. I'd hate to be raising a family in this country or just growing older myself without private health insurance.

Ceepo

ariana` wrote: »

I don't think they will ever sort out the waiting lists, it's a losing battle. My son was referred to Paeds last July, I rang them a month ago and was told he was still 1+ year away from being seen. We decided to go privately and were seen a couple of weeks later so one less child on the public waiting list. I'd hate to be raising a family in this country or just growing older myself without private health insurance.

And that is the crux of the problem right there.

You were able to get an appointment privately.

Now I don't for a second blame you or anyone else for going down that road. You have to do what you have to do to ensure you stay healthy.
The fact that you were able to get an appointment shows that there's capacity in the hospital system, and also how the system is broken.

ariana`

Ceepo wrote: »

And that is the crux of the problem right there.

You were able to get an appointment privately.

Now I don't for a second blame you or anyone else for going down that road. You have to do what you have to do to ensure you stay healthy.
The fact that you were able to get an appointment shows that there's capacity in the hospital system, and also how the system is broken.

Absolutely agree. But at the same time I work hard to pay for private health insurance for my family so that we're not dependent on a public system that is flawed on so many levels. It's a vicious cycle as I see it - they need to sort out the public system so people (like me) will trust their own lives and the lives of their children to it but until we have that trust then the private system will continue to exist and continue to suck the resources from the public system.

Laineyfrecks

Ceepo wrote: »

And that is the crux of the problem right there.

You were able to get an appointment privately.

Now I don't for a second blame you or anyone else for going down that road. You have to do what you have to do to ensure you stay healthy.
The fact that you were able to get an appointment shows that there's capacity in the hospital system, and also how the system is broken.

Agree 100%, money talks, it's as simple as that. Found a lump in Aug, doc extremely worried about it given family history etc. Nearest appointment I could get was end of Nov, not an extremely long time except when you are worried out of your mind. Went private, seen specialist & scans done within a week. Thankfully all is ok & tbh I'd do it again for the peace of mind but I shouldn't have to.

Ceepo

ariana` wrote: »

Absolutely agree. But at the same time I work hard to pay for private health insurance for my family so that we're not dependent on a public system that is flawed on so many levels. It's a vicious cycle as I see it - they need to sort out the public system so people (like me) will trust their own lives and the lives of their children to it but until we have that trust then the private system will continue to exist and continue to suck the resources from the public system.

Totally agree, and you shouldn't have to try "justify" you having PHI to anyone, it should a bonus it have it, and not essential to have it.

ariana`

Ceepo wrote: »

Totally agree, and you shouldn't have to try "justify" you having PHI to anyone, it should a bonus it have it, and not essential to have it.

It's funny but sometimes I feel I do have to justify it. PHI is one of the reasons I'm not a stay at home parent which I probably would have liked to have been able to do for a few years when the kids were smaller if it didn't mean things like health insurance would have suffered... Sometime I feel the media portray it as a luxury of the well off and neglect the fact that for lots of families sacrifices are made to have it.

average_runner

Ceepo wrote: »

There is huge investment in the health service, I'm not sure throwing more money at it without changing the outdated and dysfunctional system would be the right thing to do.

Pre covid we had upwards of 300 patients on trollies every week, and huge waiting list's, I sure hope we don't go back to that post covid.

Now I fully understand that the waiting list have increased, it's more how we go about getting the waiting list down fast,

But alot of those trolly numbers are down to hospitals closing wards to get more funding.


My hospital down home were saying during the peak of covid in Jan, 25 with covid, 7 in ICU, 5 beds available and 1 space in ICU.


Now today 5 in hospital with covid, none in ICU, 2 beds available and 2 beds available in ICU.

ultrapercy

Ceepo wrote: »

Totally agree, and you shouldn't have to try "justify" you having PHI to anyone, it should a bonus it have it, and not essential to have it.

if the public system was a match or even close to the standard of private, who would buy health insurance?

average_runner

Ceepo wrote: »

Totally agree, and you shouldn't have to try "justify" you having PHI to anyone, it should a bonus it have it, and not essential to have it.

Same here, we go private for everything.
When my daughter was 3, she had a turn in the eye, public health nurse said it be 2 years before she is looked at. Went private and was 2 weeks.


Son needed the tonsils out last year, go through public 1 year, went private 3 months including op etc.


We work hard so our kids can have a great fun life and enjoy its experiences.

Stark

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People give out about "Big Pharma" but there's a lot to be said for dealing with an established company with lots of experience of delivering drugs at scale.

Jim Gazebo

Naked Lepper wrote: »

there is always one!

some people seem to have stockholm syndrome, people hoping to be in lockdown indefinitely!

the government are set to have everyone vaccine by this summer with the intent to reopen thereafter.

october is ages away, i would hope the lockdowns are well and truly a thing of the past by then

You have picked me up totally wrong!! I'd love nothing more than to travel. I didn't know it was 6 months away! I'd love to do it myself!! I was genuinely interested!!!!!!!

Ceepo

ultrapercy wrote: »

if the public system was a match or even close to the standard of private, who would buy health insurance?

I'd agree with you, but it shouldn't be down to skipping a que, at least to the degree that we see, years in case's v day's.

If someone wants PHI and is seen in a private ward in a private hospital then the best of luck to them

Jim Gazebo

Kander wrote: »

Ah I'll figure that out closer to the time. No point stressing about it now, I've a Marathon to get ready for before then

Enjoy ! Didn't realise it was so far away. Fantastic.

ultrapercy

Ceepo wrote: »

I'd agree with you, but it shouldn't be down to skipping a que, at least to the degree that we see, years in case's v day's.

If someone wants PHI and is seen in a private ward in a private hospital then the best of luck to them

what I'm getting at is that changing the health system(and reform is needed)really means changing our system of governance. Everyone points to Scandanavia but dont examin the rates of tax there. What the Sweeds are happy with the Irish definitely would not. It goes back to the old saying 'everyone wants change but none wants to change'.

ThebitterLemon

Chivito550 wrote: »

There is no reason for lockdowns once the vulnerable are vaccinated and ICU and hospital numbers plummet.

Whatever happened to the reason for lockdowns being to flatten the curve. Now it seems to be lockdowns until everyone is vaccinated.

And I’ve heard McConkey and others state that not only all our own population need to be vaccinated but so does every other countries! They’re not just moving goal posts they’ve moved pitch!!

TbL

RacoonQueen

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

And I’ve heard McConkey and others state that not only all our own population need to be vaccinated but so does every other countries! They’re not just moving goal posts they’ve moved pitch!!

TbL

Bring on DCM2024 WOOHOOO

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average_runner

ultrapercy wrote: »

what I'm getting at is that changing the health system(and reform is needed)really means changing our system of governance. Everyone points to Scandanavia but dont examin the rates of tax there. What the Sweeds are happy with the Irish definitely would not. It goes back to the old saying 'everyone wants change but none wants to change'.

The Swedes get more value from their taxes. Was over there before this all kicked off and raising kid over there is more supportive than here.


Also everyone pays tax no matter what you earn, which is the right thing