Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

Kermit.de.frog

Hyundai has halted operations at its massive Ulsan plant, South Korea as a worker tested positive for coronavirus. This is a good distance from the epicenter in the country on the southeast coast. No indication when the plant will reopen but the virus is having a massive effect on supply chains.

Beasty

I'v just put up a closed sticky with relevant resources all in one place

gabeeg

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Nah. Quit trying to shut down any dissenting opinion to the fearmongering as trolling.

There has been utter rubbish posted in this thread and the previous one since day one about how things in China and Iran are worse than they're letting us know and people were content to lap it up. Now all of a sudden we need to be careful and fact check everything because there's rubbish being posted from the opposite side. It's total hypocrisy.

If the numbers coming out of Iran are correct, it means their death rate is nearly 10%

388 cases, 34 deaths

turbbo

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Nah. Quit trying to shut down any dissenting opinion to the fearmongering as trolling.

There has been utter rubbish posted in this thread and the previous one since day one about how things in China and Iran are worse than they're letting us know and people were content to lap it up. Now all of a sudden we need to be careful and fact check everything because there's rubbish being posted from the opposite side. It's total hypocrisy.

Why is their sides in any of this? This is an open discussion - there will be lots of nonsense posted. But do you really think that there is nothing to worry about and that all of this is fear-mongering? Or are you having the craic trolling?

Cupatae

The time to contain the virus was in china, that ship has well and truly sailed, its about weathering the storm now till it can be treated, people only codding themselves thinking they can contain it now, its akin to closing the barn door when the horse has bolted.

Dotsie~tmp

italodisco wrote: »

Self isolation is hilarious, all those houses in flats that have 30 or more Brazilians in a 4 bed.... Good luck with that lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R4kLQ-WPKQ

the butcher

seamus wrote: »

I'd take that 14% claim with a ladle of salt tbh.

It's not just a few weeks though if we're being realistic. If, in an effort to maintain containment, we were to shut down all ports and airports, it would be something we'd have to keep up for months, if not years. The infections travels from individual to individual with up to two weeks between presentation. Like a really slow-burning fire.

If we were to just shut down travel from affected areas, then at best we would slow it down. Someone who finds they can't get a flight home from Northern Italy, won't stay there. They'll just get a train to Austria and fly home. Likewise someone coming from China may find a series of intermediate hops that allows them to get home.

Unless all outbound travel from affected areas is shut down, then it is impossible to prevent the spread of the infection.

All we can do at this point is expect infection and conduct ourselves appropirately, It's already here - viruses don't obey imaginary lines in the landscape between countries. Northern Ireland has a case, which means we have a case.

And this is where the split in the discussion really is. I can see this viewpoint of course...the chinese numbers are suspect we know that so yes the 14% point needs to be contrasted in a few weeks with S.Korea/Japan/Italy to get a more accurate account.

But the other point basically verges on - It's coming here anyway, why plunge us immediately into a economic downturn and take what you see as drastic measures to close us off to these high risk areas for a few weeks. You say it could be months...but all the experts are coming out saying that there is a natural peak and decline from these events. Should we try wait out the natural peak?

I did say in my post, more cases here is the reality now. We've all hear our doctors come out to the media stating we've no capacity. What I want is to reduce and slow these numbers, reduce the risk. We can expect infection of course...by how much is up for debate.

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

I'v just put up a closed sticky with relevant resources all in one place

Embed a YouTube video of how to wash hands correctly? Please don’t find a twinkle twinkle little star one.

Plumbthedepths

gabeeg wrote: »

If the numbers coming out of Iran are correct, it means their death rate is nearly 10%

388 cases, 34 deaths

Where are you getting these figures?

Dotsie~tmp

Beasty wrote: »

I'v just put up a closed sticky with relevant resources all in one place

Snots are sticky. Corona lives in snots. Im not touching that.

Quantum Erasure

Dotsie~tmp wrote: »

would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open...

gabeeg

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Where are you getting these figures?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Good site. Regular updates.

iguana

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Once the shops haven't sold out of bread, no real panic has set in.

Both Lidl and Aldi were out of pesto this morning. What coronavirus fighting properties have basil and pinenuts got that I've been in the dark about?

YFlyer

wadacrack wrote: »

https://www.derryjournal.com/health/derry-woman-told-self-isolate-after-developing-symptoms-following-travels-italian-coronavirus-high-alert-area-2003361

From the article 'Change bed daily. Bag all laundry and do not use a laundry service. Don’t do any washing until I’m 14 days symptom free.'

Surely home washing the clothes be advisable.

Dotsie~tmp

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

When I kill you with an axe next month to steal your bread, loot and iodine tablets. It will be an act of love fren.

seamus

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Slowing it down is the POINT. It would save many many lives...

I do get that, but it would be short term. We can either have it hit us now, or in a few weeks when it has spread beyond the few specific areas we've blocked.

The question is how are we to work it? So we block travel from the main 7/8/9 areas where it is now. In two weeks then we block the next places? And two weeks after that?

We wouldn't be slowing the spread of the infection, just buying ourselves a little bit more time before travel restrictions become pointless anyway.

If was ebola, I'd be more inclined to go with the "shut down everything" approach, but this is not nearly that dangerous, and it's not self-limiting. So any form of travel shutdown is of limited benefit.

We should be focussing efforts on infection control inside the country; get people focussed now on hygiene and good practice; washing your hands, staying at home if you're sick, etc. This is the only thing that stands a chance of slowing the spread for us.

Mrcaramelchoc

YFlyer wrote: »

From the article 'Change bed daily. Bag all laundry and do not use a laundry service. Don’t do any washing until I’m 14 days symptom free.'

Surely home washing the clothes be advisable.

What if they got it wrong and its 15 days.

turbbo

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Nah, we haven't shut down because there is no major need to at this point, you would be creating widespread panic & disruption in a country with 1 currently confirmed case.

Saying there is no major need to because we have 1 case here doesn't make any sense. What would the point be in shutting down if we had 100 cases - then we'd already have it here? Surely you get that you shut down links to danger regions - it's not rocket science.

Dotsie~tmp

YFlyer wrote: »

From the article 'Change bed daily. Bag all laundry and do not use a laundry service. Don’t do any washing until I’m 14 days symptom free.'

Surely home washing the clothes be advisable.

Id rather fu*king die than do all that washing. I dont even think im joking.

Titclamp

https://twitter.com/inkblotistan/status/1233254321367764994?s=20

Fr_Dougal

Beasty wrote: »

I'v just put up a closed sticky with relevant resources all in one place

Don’t forget to add the bit about the silver bullet and the headshot.

Quantum Erasure

Beasty wrote: »

I'v just put up a closed sticky with relevant resources all in one place

2ndcoming

odyssey06 wrote: »

No, but it's likely only 40% so risky for disinfectant purposes...

https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html
If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol.
Why? Many studies have found that sanitizers with an alcohol concentration between 60–95% are more effective at killing germs than those with a lower alcohol concentration or non-alcohol-based hand sanitizers 16,20. Hand sanitizers without 60-95% alcohol 1) may not work equally well for many types of germs; and 2) merely reduce the growth of germs rather than kill them outright.

Everyone missing the key line here... IF SOAP AND WATER ARE NOT AVAILABLE.

Hand sanitisers are handy (pardon the pun) in public places but they are no better at removing germs than just good old fashioned washing your hands.

Everyone in a panic buying them when a bar of Imperial Leather will do smh.

one armed dwarf

Knex. wrote: »

Yeah, doesn't seem feasible at all. I live with 5 people. It seems like if one of us get it, we're all getting it.

Especially as the damage is likely done before the symptoms show.

I'm sort of in that acceptance phase now where this is a thing I don't really have much control over, much like the world economy. I'll do my best, but it is what it is. I'm definitely not going to go home either as I don't want to risk bringing it from Galway to Tipperary. Galway seems primed to be one of those hotspots if it does spread.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/OscarWGrut/status/1233345547886567427

Thank you China

Cupatae

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Panic stations!!

quokula

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Nah, we haven't shut down because there is no major need to at this point, you would be creating widespread panic & disruption in a country with 1 currently confirmed case.

Technically the country has 0 cases as Northern Ireland is a different jurisdiction.

What's interesting is that Italy was one of only two countries alongside Israel who went against the advice of the WHO and experts and overreacted and banned flights from China at the end of January before they had any cases.

Yet they've ended up being worse hit because they chose the big tough sounding over the top gestures, and ignored the proper response to infection risks on the ground.

So far it looks like we've been doing everything correctly in Ireland. There will probably be cases eventually of course, as the virus isn't something that's going to just go away in days or weeks or months, although the panic probably will go away as people realise life goes on.

odyssey06

2ndcoming wrote: »

Everyone missing the key line here... IF SOAP AND WATER ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
Hand sanitisers are handy (pardon the pun) in public places but they are no better at removing germs than just good old fashioned washing your hands.
Everyone in a panic buying them when a bar of Imperial Leather will do smh.

true but you can't bring the imperial leather out with you when out about \ shopping etc

gabeeg

quokula wrote: »

Technically the country has 0 cases as Northern Ireland is a different jurisdiction.

What's interesting is that Italy was one of only two countries alongside Israel who went against the advice of the WHO and experts and overreacted and banned flights from China at the end of January before they had any cases.

Yet they've ended up being worse hit because they chose the big tough sounding over the top gestures, and ignored the proper response to infection risks on the ground.

So far it looks like we've been doing everything correctly in Ireland. There will probably be cases eventually of course, as the virus isn't something that's going to just going to go away in days or weeks or months, although the panic probably will go away as people realise life goes on.

We've tested roughly 100 people to date. We have no idea if there's an outbreak south of the border.

odyssey06

quokula wrote: »

Technically the country has 0 cases as Northern Ireland is a different jurisdiction.
What's interesting is that Italy was one of only two countries alongside Israel who went against the advice of the WHO and experts and overreacted and banned flights from China at the end of January before they had any cases.
Yet they've ended up being worse hit because they chose the big tough sounding over the top gestures, and ignored the proper response to infection risks on the ground.

Do you have information on how Italy ignored the proper response, and let's say France did not?