Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

tillyfilly · 28-02-2020 12:25PM

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turbbo · 28-02-2020 12:25PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Obviously you say?

There couldn't possibly be a thousand other reasons to keep them going like.

Thousand other reasons to keep flights going to danger regions are far outweighed by trying to prevent high numbers of deaths in this country.

Mena Mitty · 28-02-2020 12:26PM

On Sean O'Rourke's show earlier the Health Minister was speaking about contact. He started to say something about '15 minutes' as a lorry drove by and I couldn't hear what he was saying.

Does anyone know what he was talking about ?

turbbo · 28-02-2020 12:26PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Loving the outrage over the flyer from the same people who are only too happy to share hysteria from social media. Fake news is fine when it's scary though eh lads?

Trolling again - good man. :rolleyes:

odyssey06 · 28-02-2020 12:27PM

seamus wrote: »

If we were to just shut down travel from affected areas, then at best we would slow it down. Someone who finds they can't get a flight home from Northern Italy, won't stay there. They'll just get a train to Austria and fly home. Likewise someone coming from China may find a series of intermediate hops that allows them to get home. Unless all outbound travel from affected areas is shut down, then it is impossible to prevent the spread of the infection.
All we can do at this point is expect infection and conduct ourselves appropirately,

Just because something won't be 100% effective, doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

The way I see it it would greatly reduce the number of infections and carriers we would have to worry about.
Sure people who have to get back will get back here, but discretionary trips would be cancelled.
We can't close off all routes but we can reduce the flow from at risk areas and therefore reduce, or at least, spread the impact of what does hit us.

Tacitus Kilgore · 28-02-2020 12:27PM

turbbo wrote: »

Thousand other reasons to keep flights going to danger regions are far outweighed by trying to prevent high numbers of deaths in this country.

Well you just said it was because of the hold Ryanair have over the govt :pac:

Read what Seamus is saying, that's why we haven't shut down.

SeaBreezes · 28-02-2020 12:28PM

seamus wrote: »

I'd take that 14% claim with a ladle of salt tbh.

It's not just a few weeks though if we're being realistic. If, in an effort to maintain containment, we were to shut down all ports and airports, it would be something we'd have to keep up for months, if not years. The infections travels from individual to individual with up to two weeks between presentation. Like a really slow-burning fire.

If we were to just shut down travel from affected areas, then at best we would slow it down. Someone who finds they can't get a flight home from Northern Italy, won't stay there. They'll just get a train to Austria and fly home. Likewise someone coming from China may find a series of intermediate hops that allows them to get home.

Unless all outbound travel from affected areas is shut down, then it is impossible to prevent the spread of the infection.

All we can do at this point is expect infection and conduct ourselves appropirately, It's already here - viruses don't obey imaginary lines in the landscape between countries. Northern Ireland has a case, which means we have a case.

Slowing it down is the POINT. It would save many many lives...

Knex* · 28-02-2020 12:28PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://www.derryjournal.com/health/derry-woman-told-self-isolate-after-developing-symptoms-following-travels-italian-coronavirus-high-alert-area-2003361

“I rang PHA and they told me to self isolate for 14 days until I’m symptom free. Sneeze and cough into tissues. Put them into a bag and tie it. Double the bag. Don’t put the bag in a wheelie bin until I’m 14 days symptom-free. Clean all surfaces daily wearing gloves and an apron. Wash hands for 45 seconds using liquid soap as much as possible. Use hand sanitiser. Change bed daily. Bag all laundry and do not use a laundry service. Don’t do any washing until I’m 14 days symptom free. They gave me a shopping list for someone else to get me or to get on delivery saying that any deliveries had to be left on the door step and the door was not to be opened until the delivery driver left.”

That's some serious effort to have to go through daily. How many people even have 14 days worth of spare bed clothes?

odyssey06 · 28-02-2020 12:28PM

Mena Mitty wrote: »

On Sean O'Rourke's show earlier the Health Minister was speaking about contact. He started to say something about '15 minutes' as a lorry drove by and I couldn't hear what he was saying.

Does anyone know what he was talking about ?

It's in the HSE definition of close contact
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

I don't know the basis for the 15 minutes of close contact though... seems arbitrary.

turbbo · 28-02-2020 12:29PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Just because something won't be 100% effective, doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

The way I see it it would greatly reduce the number of infections and carriers we would have to worry about.
Sure people who have to get back will get back here, but discretionary trips would be cancelled.
We can't close off all routes but we can reduce the flow from at risk areas and therefore reduce, or at least, spread the impact of what does hit us.

It's called probability - and yes of course it would work and be far more effective than anything else at the moment.

odyssey06 · 28-02-2020 12:30PM

Knex. wrote: »

That's some serious effort to have to go through daily. How many people even have 14 days worth of spare bed clothes?

No one.
The self isolation instructions are impractical for most of the population i.e. anyone living in shared accomodation with shared toilet.

28-02-2020 12:30PM

Better to lockdown airports now than Irish cities later. Those Irish outside the country can come back and self isolate or go into quarantine like what Australia did.

28-02-2020 12:30PM

Knex. wrote: »

That's some serious effort to have to go through daily. How many people even have 14 days worth of spare bed clothes?

I don’t get that bit either. Surely it’s her passing the virus to her bedsheets and not the other way round so what’s the point changing them every day?

one armed dwarf · 28-02-2020 12:31PM

Knex. wrote: »

That's some serious effort to have to go through daily. How many people even have 14 days worth of spare bed clothes?

Don't know how this self isolation stuff is going to work in houseshares.

I'm just expecting our entire house will all get it together. Particularly how head-in-the-sands a lot of people are.

Cupatae · 28-02-2020 12:31PM

Realistically who ever it is in the north that got it, she was on a plane a confined space with 200 other people, for 3-4 hours, id imagine alot of them will contract it, then you have those 200 people going around the airport getting on buses trains, cars and what ever else, how many people are they interacting with ? and so on.

And the gov saying they ve completed a "trace" lol

No the virus is well at truly here its only a matter of time imo.

turbbo · 28-02-2020 12:31PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Well you just said it was because of the hold Ryanair have over the govt :pac:

Read what Seamus is saying, that's why we haven't shut down.

No that is not why we haven't shut down - you'd be a fool to believe that - the reason we haven't shut down is the Government would have to break current laws - they are not prepared to be sued by the Airlines - as that would cost money.

Bridge93 · 28-02-2020 12:32PM

Yeah I dont understand changing the bedsheets everyday. If you have it then what is changing going to do other than contaminate more material? If you dont have it you dont have it so no contamination

Cupatae · 28-02-2020 12:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Better to lockdown airports now than Irish cities later. Those Irish outside the country can come back and self isolate or go into quarantine like what Australia did.

Too late now, besides it d cost too much. its all about the $

turbbo · 28-02-2020 12:34PM

Cupatae wrote: »

Realistically who ever it is in the north that got it, she was on a plane a confined space with 200 other people, for 3-4 hours, id imagine alot of them will contract it, then you have those 200 people going around the airport getting on buses trains, cars and what ever else, how many people are they interacting with ? and so on.

And the gov saying they ve completed a "trace" lol

No the virus is well at truly here its only a matter of time imo.

If i was a betting man I'd give it 'till monday before the announcement.

28-02-2020 12:35PM

turbbo wrote: »

No that is not why we haven't shut down - you'd be a fool to believe that - the reason we haven't shut down is the Government would have to break current laws - they are not prepared to be sued by the Airlines - as that would cost money.

If thats even true it would be a lot cheaper than shutting Dublin down because we end up with a few hundred thousand cases all at once

28-02-2020 12:35PM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Yeah I dont understand changing the bedsheets everyday. If you have it then what is changing going to do other than contaminate more material? If you dont have it you dont have it so no contamination

Maybe it’s a psychological thing? Give the person something to do whilst in self quarantine.

Knex* · 28-02-2020 12:35PM

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Don't know how this self isolation stuff is going to work in houseshares.

I'm just expecting our entire house will all get it together. Particularly how head-in-the-sands a lot of people are.

Yeah, doesn't seem feasible at all. I live with 5 people. It seems like if one of us get it, we're all getting it.

Especially as the damage is likely done before the symptoms show.

seamus · 28-02-2020 12:35PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Those instructions seem very strange. Change your sheets everyday and put them in a bag for 14 days from when you are symptom free. It would seem strange that they don't just test her.

It all sounds a bit mad alright. Change your bedclothes every day, but don't wash them until two weeks after your symptoms have disappeared.

Hands up here who has access to 28 sets of bedclothes?

Seems to me the most sensible advice is to not change your bedclothes until your symptoms have eased for 2/3 days in a row, then leave them in a bag for two weeks.

Knex* · 28-02-2020 12:35PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Maybe it’s a psychological thing? Give the person something to do whilst in self quarantine.

Like, "Work will set you free"?

odyssey06 · 28-02-2020 12:36PM

seamus wrote: »

It all sounds a bit mad alright. Change your bedclothes every day, but don't wash them until two weeks after your symptoms have disappeared.
Hands up here who has access to 28 sets of bedclothes?

I couldn't even store 28 sets of bedclothes in my apartment.

Whoever gave that advice really hasn't thought this through as a practical measure.

blanch152 · 28-02-2020 12:38PM

the butcher wrote: »

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1233318830140805120

Seems like the wack-a-mole response to it. We chase down these people afterwards. Meanwhile we have people traveling here daily from the highly infected areas. That's not containment in my eyes. It's only a matter of time before we get higher numbers here. That's the reality, I don't think many can dispute that point. That's the disadvantage of having free movement (EU) of travel during an outbreak of this sort. This is when co-living / too high of a density living seems like an absurd policy to have (and being implemented by government).

What still concerns me is that after years of doctors and medical staff complaining of being understaffed and under resourced (despite the insanely high and ever increasing health budget), we have ZERO capacity to deal with an outbreak of this type of scale. The figures still report that 80% are mild which is great for the majority of us but the 20% that are severe to critical requiring oxygen/ICU etc, we have basically nothing there for them.

What also still concerns me is the reports of the 14% reinfection (or is it a relapse?) from the Chinese (and recently the Japanese case). If we see more research on high mutation rates and the lung damage reports and other factors caused by this virus coming out week after week then a vaccine could become obsolete by the time it rolls out. Then it becomes part of our cold and flu season and well....

Considering all the above...then surely our response should be better considering there's ZERO capacity to cater for this 20%. Being an island we should be able to contain it better with temp arrangements, which means restricting travel from this high risk areas for 2-3 weeks. The whole world will be experiencing economic fallout from this event regardless, we will be facing a recession in the coming months, we should take the extra hit as well to ensure we give the best possible outcomes of survival for this 20%. I know too many people with pre-existing respiratory conditions and my elderly parents. I'd like to think I value human life over trade & tourism for a few weeks.

You don't build any public service facility or service with 20% spare capacity.

That is like having the equivalent of two or three Beaumont hospitals sitting around every day with no patients but full of staff being fully paid, all with no work to do, just in case we get a coronavirus situation. That would be a colossal waste of money that would make the Children's Hospital look like great value.

The reality is we live in a democracy that respects the right to travel and the right to privacy. We are not China or a police state which can ride roughshod over people's rights and restrict them in ways that we cannot.

As for the reference to co-living and high density, that is laughable. If we don't go high density, we will kill off more of the population through climate change issues than this virus ever will.

28-02-2020 12:38PM

Knex. wrote: »

Like, "Work will set you free"?

North Korea style

The rest of the advice seems sound though.

Tacitus Kilgore · 28-02-2020 12:38PM

turbbo wrote: »

No that is not why we haven't shut down - you'd be a fool to believe that - the reason we haven't shut down is the Government would have to break current laws - they are not prepared to be sued by the Airlines - as that would cost money.

Nah, we haven't shut down because there is no major need to at this point, you would be creating widespread panic & disruption in a country with 1 currently confirmed case.

Fr_Dougal · 28-02-2020 12:38PM

Now might be a good time to buy a thermometer if you don’t already have one.

italodisco · 28-02-2020 12:38PM

Self isolation is hilarious, all those houses in flats that have 30 or more Brazilians in a 4 bed.... Good luck with that lol

Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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