So according to the Sindo,its an FF-FG-Green-Grand coalition then ?

Feisar

Bowie wrote: »

No, glamping would be camping but with many of the mod-cons of home I believe.

Right, to be self centered, I've a wee lad to look after, why am I as a taxpayer obliged to look after other peoples kids?


If you can't afford them, don't have them, if one does regardless why is it my problem?

Idbatterim

Bowie wrote: »

I believe FG have more councillors on DCC than any other party. That said no council has been good on housing.

yes that is true, its not like any of them have been saying "oh yes, please build more here" because of nimby reasons, but YIMBY is really starting to gather pace!

I think its quite obscene, we should have the workers paying for it all, **** commute, mad rent, income tax being a large percent of government total tax take and have the others in the city, sitting in their houses, many social houses or purchased for a pittance decades ago, paying no water charges and as good as no property tax, "sorry you arent wanted here" do one!

Idbatterim

Bowie wrote: »

I hope they don't go into government. The point is Varadkar isn't looking to try and as the SD's said, just playing games at the moment. All the while insulting and name calling the opposition during their tenure.
Since when did FF or FG put the country or it's democratic process first? Did you not see the farce we've been enduring the last few years and Varadkar having not received a mandate from the people?

Varadkar sees himself as a celebrity, nothing more, nothing less, it explains a lot!

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sleeveen gombeen politics no longer works lads and lassies, we're onto you.

People only get sleeveen gombeen politics when they vote for it. Traditionally, Ireland likes that. Many people still do. Just ask the people of Kerry.

But it wouldnt really have been a trait of FG or Lab over the years. FF would always have had an element of it.

Over the last decade, independents have harvested that vote. This time, its SF, with added shadow of a gunman, or glorious republican, depending on whether one sees the truth or the illusion.

Idbatterim

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

People only get sleeveen gombeen politics when they vote for it. Traditionally, Ireland likes that. Many people still do. Just ask the people of Kerry.

But it wouldnt really have been a trait of FG or Lab over the years. FF would always have had an element of it.

Over the last decade, independents have harvested that vote. This time, its SF, with added shadow of a gunman, or glorious republican, depending on whether one sees the truth or the illusion.

listen, I have nothing to worry about voting for SF, or should I be looking over my shoulder? But the gangsters that FFG supports, the ones in suits, the ones that want a million euro for a 500,000 property, plus the €500,000 interest on a mortgage repayments over 30 years etc, should I keep an eye out for them?

The Rape of Lucretia

How far away are SF, for the good of the country, from showing the maturity to offer a S&C support to an FF/FG minority coalition government ?
Is this what MLM is angling for in all the shadow boxing, with the goal being to demonstrate that SF is a responsible party, with the good of the country as its driver, despite its closeness to violence, terrorism, murder, and bombings ?

The Rape of Lucretia

Idbatterim wrote: »

listen, I have nothing to worry about voting for SF, or should I be looking over my shoulder? But the gangsters that FFG supports, the ones in suits, the ones that want a million euro for a 500,000 property, plus the €500,000 interest on a mortgage repayments over 30 years etc, should I keep an eye out for them?

No.
And, no.

That kind of looking over the shoulder tendency is probably a hangover from the days of terroism, people being followed, kidnapped, checking under the car for viable explosive devices, walking down a 'wrong' street, etc.

LeinsterDub

Fred Cryton wrote: »

And what did they do about heights while in control? Nothing! More restrictive!


And even now there is still left wing control of DCC, and what are they doing about heights? Trying to bring Johnny Ronan to court for having the cheek to build 13 floors in the Docklands!

And? You aren't arguing any point I made

Itssoeasy

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

How far away are SF, for the good of the country, from showing the maturity to offer a S&C support to an FF/FG minority coalition government ?
Is this what MLM is angling for in all the shadow boxing, with the goal being to demonstrate that SF is a responsible party, with the good of the country as its driver, despite its closeness to violence, terrorism, murder, and bombings ?

I don't know honestly but I'd say Thursday and the first sitting of the new dail will hopefully focus minds of everyone. This period between the election and the first sitting of the new dail has alway been a bit of a dance and as you call it shadow boxing.

Idbatterim

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No.
And, no.

That kind of looking over the shoulder tendency is probably a hangover from the days of terroism, people being followed, kidnapped, checking under the car for viable explosive devices, walking down a 'wrong' street, etc.

Listen, I wacthed a great documentary recently on the troubles up north, to say those morons brought this all on themselves, with their criminal treatment of catholics, is an understatement!

The Rape of Lucretia

Idbatterim wrote: »

Listen, I wacthed a great documentary recently on the troubles up north, to say those morons brought this all on themselves, with their criminal treatment of catholics, is an understatement!

I would agree. While they are greatly and correctly vilified for the murder and terrorism in general, the ultimately great harm that SF/IRA did to the catholic community, in whose name and interest they claimed to be acting, is one of the sadest and ironic aspects of the whole troubles era.

gormdubhgorm

Bowie wrote: »

Discussing The Republic, specifically talk on a FF/FG/Green coalition and FG/FF's time in the outgoing government.
I suggest you start or join one of the many Shinner/FG sour grape threads

As sure 'up there' it is of no relevance at all, sure. Let's just forget the fact that there is only one all Ireland party in the state with it's main platform for a United Ireland.
It is completely unfair to look at SF's record in stormont because there is no chance the results could be the same in Dail Eireann? :rolleyes:

gormdubhgorm

Idbatterim wrote: »

listen, I have nothing to worry about voting for SF, or should I be looking over my shoulder? But the gangsters that FFG supports, the ones in suits, the ones that want a million euro for a 500,000 property, plus the €500,000 interest on a mortgage repayments over 30 years etc, should I keep an eye out for them?

More myth-making SF don't wear suits? As I said in another post I know a SF supporter who makes his living out of investment in property. Does he fit the greedy landlord stereotype?

The Rape of Lucretia

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

More myth-making SF don't wear suits? As I said in another post I know a SF supporter who makes his living out of investment in property. Does he fit the greedy landlord stereotype?

The IRA have made a lot of money out of their banking 'activities' over the years too.

Mortelaro

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

More myth-making SF don't wear suits? As I said in another post I know a SF supporter who makes his living out of investment in property. Does he fit the greedy landlord stereotype?

Nope,idealism is what he fits
It's rare
Theres nothing wrong with suits,they're very stylish
But if he ran his business like the maths in the Sinn Féin manifesto, he wouldn't be wearing one for long because he wouldn't be able to afford one

James Brown

Feisar wrote: »

Right, to be self centered, I've a wee lad to look after, why am I as a taxpayer obliged to look after other peoples kids?


If you can't afford them, don't have them, if one does regardless why is it my problem?

It's called society. I'm not in school but I'll be paying towards your child. You think I should stop?

I agree. I'd cap child payments at one or two, on the idea accidents can happen.

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

As sure 'up there' it is of no relevance at all, sure. Let's just forget the fact that there is only one all Ireland party in the state with it's main platform for a United Ireland.
It is completely unfair to look at SF's record in stormont because there is no chance the results could be the same in Dail Eireann? :rolleyes:

It's not 'unfair' it's ridiculous.
Completely different 'up there'. You can't compare the two. Either way I don't see what SF saying they'll build social and affordable has to do with policies they try successfully or not to push in a jurisdiction under British occupation taking it's lead from Westminister.

Mortelaro

What is the obsession with the word the State' ?
This country is Ireland

gormdubhgorm

Bowie wrote: »

It's not 'unfair' it's ridiculous.
Completely different 'up there'. You can't compare the two. Either way I don't see what SF saying they'll build social and affordable has to do with policies they try successfully or not to push in a jurisdiction under British occupation taking it's lead from Westminister.

But SF are working with the occupiers they are in fact collaborators.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are talking about the FF leader who has consistently washed his hands of what they did in the run up to 2008?

Dear me.

I neither voted FF or SF in any GE ever.
Everyone knows how the crash happened. The irony is not lost on me that SF supporters mention the crash etc which happened in 2008. Yet when something such as the Paul Quinn murder is mentioned which happened in 2007 suddenly a line has to be drawn and it becomes ancient history!
I think this is rank hypocrisy on behalf of SF.

LuckyLloyd

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I neither voted FF or SF in any GE ever.
Everyone knows how the crash happened. The irony is not lost on me that SF supporters mention the crash etc which happened in 2008. Yet when something such as the Paul Quinn murder is mentioned which happened in 2007 suddenly a line has to be drawn and it becomes ancient history!
I think this is rank hypocrisy on behalf of SF.

A feud over a bar fight in South Armagh 13 years ago isn’t in the same plain of conversation as a severe recession - directly traced to selfish politics that facilitated reckless practice by banks and builders - that is still being paid for by the people of this state; and will be paid for over many years to come.

This isn’t hypocrisy, it’s logic. The likes of yourself want to talk about a bar feud because talking about housing, health, tax and the climate is deeply uncomfortable. That’s just the reality of this election and its aftermath.

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I neither voted FF or SF in any GE ever.
Everyone knows how the crash happened. The irony is not lost on me that SF supporters mention the crash etc which happened in 2008. Yet when something such as the Paul Quinn murder is mentioned which happened in 2007 suddenly a line has to be drawn and it becomes ancient history!
I think this is rank hypocrisy on behalf of SF.

SF have addressed what happened in 2008. I have also given my opinion on it. Nobody is 'drawing a line'.

Why are you indulging in 'look over there' politics here. The point was about MM's involvement in the 2008 crash. Pointing at somebody else does not divert attention from that.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why are you indulging in 'look over there' politics here. The point was about MM's involvement in the 2008 crash. Pointing at somebody else does not divert attention from that.

To be fair to MM did he have any direct role in the run up to the 2008 crash?
There were a huge number of factors involved in it,not least poor central bank regulation,something fostered by several governments because internationally that was the thing then and We thought why not compete
Certainly FF being the predominant party in power can be blamed for being the steering eejits
MM probably had as much influence though on the Celtic tiger and crash as MLM had on the northern bank robbery
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joe swanson

As an anyone but the shinners voter, I think we have to let them step up and deliver. They will fail because they never thought they would have to deliver their unrealistic promises

all about the mane

joe swanson wrote: »

As an anyone but the shinners voter, I think we have to let them step up and deliver. They will fail because they never thought they would have to deliver their unrealistic promises

SF have absolutely zero intention of stepping up. Why change the habit of a lifetime (both sides of the border)?

RandomViewer

Green party's John Gormley too lazy to come in the night of the bank guarantee, Ryan should be reminded of that every hour on the hour

maccored

all about the mane wrote: »

SF have absolutely zero intention of stepping up. Why change the habit of a lifetime (both sides of the border)?

i think they've made it pretty clear they want to step up. they've been putting in the effort and not whinging about not going into power with x,y or z - like a couple of other main parties.

ILoveYourVibes

FG voters hate FF.

This is going to be a difficult 5 yrs for both parties.

average_runner

maccored wrote: »

i think they've made it pretty clear they want to step up. they've been putting in the effort and not whinging about not going into power with x,y or z - like a couple of other main parties.

Never approached the greens even

average_runner

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

FG voters hate FF.

This is going to be a difficult 5 yrs for both parties.

Wont last 5 years and hand over the next government to.SF. Probably when the economy dives