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So according to the Sindo,its an FF-FG-Green-Grand coalition then ?

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    #632
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Bowie wrote: »
    Hopefully.
    Unless it's anyone but FG, then it's hurlers from the ditch and all that sh*te right?
    Funny how FG/Varadkar are openly 'relishing' going into opposition. Are these the lads you all meant regarding 'they don't want to govern'? Is that cool now it's FG? Don't get me wrong I hope they f*** off for a long long time.

    9 years in power is a long time. FG did the State some service. Didn’t get a mandate from the voters for more of the same so it’s just being honest about the need to go into opposition. It’s up to the voices of change to go off and form a government.

    The hurlers on the ditch refers to lads who have the answers to everything but are terrified about lining out and playing. The perpetual voice of complaint and easy answers to complex issues.

    Time to step up and see if there’s any bite behind the bark.


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    #633
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I agree, a 90 day eviction process to lower mortgage interest rates, abolishing the social housing requirement to lower house prices and increase securitisation for banks, cutting tax on healthcare products and abolishing VRT and motor tax would definitely assist in reducing the overburdening of the middle class.

    Great you can look down your nose at the sick and homeless as you sit in even worse traffic.

    Or we could attempt to strike even the smallest bit of balance and build public transport, housing and a single payer health system


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    #634
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,044 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    it’s just being honest about the need to go into opposition.

    Stop treating people like fools Johnny.


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    #635
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Stop treating people like fools Johnny.

    What’s your read on it so, Francie? What sort of Machiavellian tricks are the men and women of the FG parliamentary party getting up to?


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    #636
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,044 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    What’s your read on it so, Francie? What sort of Machiavellian tricks are the men and women of the FG parliamentary party getting up to?

    I have no idea Johnny, and that is why I said, they are finding difficulty coping. They have been humbled and instead of manning up and talking to people they are huffing.
    Nothing as clever as Machiavelli going on.


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    #637
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I have no idea Johnny, and that is why I said, they are finding difficulty coping. They have been humbled and instead of manning up and talking to people they are huffing.
    Nothing as clever as Machiavelli going on.

    So you don’t know what’s going on, but there’s something going on, and you don’t like it, even though you’re not sure what it is.

    Right....


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    #638
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,044 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    So you don’t know what’s going on, but there’s something going on, and you don’t like it, even though you’re not sure what it is.

    Right....

    I call your attention to the following:



    They have been humbled and instead of manning up and talking to people they are huffing


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    #639
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I call your attention to the following:



    They have been humbled and instead of manning up and talking to people they are huffing

    They aren’t huffing. Huffing would be running around blaming everyone and trying to form a government despite only being 3rd in seat numbers. All they are saying is ‘yip, people want change, so let’s go into opposition’.

    Sure even MLM is saying that!


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    #640
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I call your attention to the following:



    They have been humbled and instead of manning up and talking to people they are huffing


    Fine Gael would like to ask the media and public for privacy at this difficult time. Burial and church service is family only. In lieu of flowers, contributions may be made to the Fine Gael social media, communications and strategy improvement fund...


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    #641
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Fine Gael would like to ask the media and public for privacy at this difficult time. Burial and church service is family only....

    Some political parties don’t invite friends or family to their “burials”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #642
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,044 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    They aren’t huffing. Huffing would be running around blaming everyone and trying to form a government despite only being 3rd in seat numbers. All they are saying is ‘yip, people want change, so let’s go into opposition’.

    Sure even MLM is saying that!

    Huffing is sitting in a corner moaning about not being appreciated, or loved enough.


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    #643
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Burial and church service is family only....

    It's so nice their cousins FF will be there and of course their grand parents SF ;)


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    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    9 years in power is a long time. FG did the State some service. Didn’t get a mandate from the voters for more of the same so it’s just being honest about the need to go into opposition. It’s up to the voices of change to go off and form a government.

    The hurlers on the ditch refers to lads who have the answers to everything but are terrified about lining out and playing. The perpetual voice of complaint and easy answers to complex issues.

    Time to step up and see if there’s any bite behind the bark.

    They connived their way back in last time.

    Seems to me everyone except FG are trying to get into government.
    Is 'complex' code for ignored or exacerbated?

    Yes, thankfully it looks that way or a new election maybe.


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    #645
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Someone was reading the Irish Times.

    Great minds etc......


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    #646
    I Am The Law
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    I Am The Law wrote: »
    I'll take that as an admission of failure after 9 years, no belief in their own policies, if they truly had confidence in what think they have 'achieved' they would make an effort to remain in government.

    Disgraceful party, disgraceful leader.
    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    It’s highly amusing to see posters who were so keen to see the back of FG now admonishing the party for stating they need a period in opposition.

    Completely missed the point, is it any wonder FG FF still get votes.


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    #647
    shesty
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    Looks to me like FG are taking the view of getting the smallest number of votes from the largest 3 parties, and therefore, letting the 2 who got the larger slices, sort stuff out.

    They can't win on this one - if they push forward for government they will be accused of ignoring the democratic process where people voted for change.If they decide on Opposition that are accused of not engaging and sulking.I don't like it much but I can absolutely see why they are taking the position that they are taking.


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    #648
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    shesty wrote: »
    Looks to me like FG are taking the view of getting the smallest number of votes from the largest 3 parties, and therefore, letting the 2 who got the larger slices, sort stuff out.

    They can't win on this one - if they push forward for government they will be accused of ignoring the democratic process where people voted for change.If they decide on Opposition that are accused of not engaging and sulking.I don't like it much but I can absolutely see why they are taking the position that they are taking.

    I hope they don't go into government. The point is Varadkar isn't looking to try and as the SD's said, just playing games at the moment. All the while insulting and name calling the opposition during their tenure.
    Since when did FF or FG put the country or it's democratic process first? Did you not see the farce we've been enduring the last few years and Varadkar having not received a mandate from the people?


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    #649
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Bowie wrote: »
    Did you not see the farce we've been enduring the last few years and Varadkar having not received a mandate from the people?

    "Enduring'
    LoL
    Hyperbole much


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    #650
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    "Enduring'
    LoL
    Hyperbole much

    You must be new here.


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    #651
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    shesty wrote: »
    Looks to me like FG are taking the view of getting the smallest number of votes from the largest 3 parties, and therefore, letting the 2 who got the larger slices, sort stuff out.

    They can't win on this one - if they push forward for government they will be accused of ignoring the democratic process where people voted for change.If they decide on Opposition that are accused of not engaging and sulking.I don't like it much but I can absolutely see why they are taking the position that they are taking.

    This voted for change stuff is nonsense.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    [Deleted User]
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    SF policies are criticised as not feasible! look at the **** show we currently have! Masses outside the tax net, no water charges, no LPT , spending based on huge but unstable corporation tax returns, addressing the housing crisis by rip off deals like in dundrum. Wanting to continually hike the already over the top state pension by twenty a five euro over the next five years. This bull****, which is just decades of outrageous vote buying, this isnt SF policy, its FFG!

    ........

    SF won't do anything different there.
    Well, they'll likely shaft anyone with a house worth a few quid.


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    #653
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    "Enduring'
    LoL
    Hyperbole much

    Record breaking numbers of children homeless, more than an other time in the history of the state...much?
    That attitude has youse in turd.


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    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Bowie wrote: »
    Record breaking numbers of children homeless, more than an other time in the history of the state...much?
    That attitude has youse in turd.

    I have never seen a child sleeping rough

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #655
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Feisar wrote: »
    I have never seen a child sleeping rough

    If I sleep rough tonight I'd not be considered homeless.


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    #656
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Bowie wrote: »
    If I sleep rough tonight I'd not be considered homeless.

    Is that like glamping?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,312 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Bowie wrote: »
    Record breaking numbers of children homeless, more than an other time in the history of the state...much?
    That attitude has youse in turd.

    Things must have really improved in West Belfast where I assume you live?

    The constituency of West Belfast had the joint second-highest rate of child poverty (43%) in the UK (2012 UNICEF report)

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ge16-fact-check-election-2016-ireland-northern-ireland-sinn-fein-homelessness-child-poverty-2610158-Feb2016/

    (2019)

    https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/child-poverty2

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #658
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Feisar wrote: »
    Is that like glamping?

    No, glamping would be camping but with many of the mod-cons of home I believe.


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    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Things must have really improved in West Belfast where I assume you live?

    The constituency of West Belfast had the joint second-highest rate of child poverty (43%) in the UK (2012 UNICEF report)

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ge16-fact-check-election-2016-ireland-northern-ireland-sinn-fein-homelessness-child-poverty-2610158-Feb2016/

    (2019)

    https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/child-poverty2

    Discussing The Republic, specifically talk on a FF/FG/Green coalition and FG/FF's time in the outgoing government.
    I suggest you start or join one of the many Shinner/FG sour grape threads ;)


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    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    SF lost control of DCC in the LE and every LA is being slowly bled of funding by central government. But who needs facts right?


    And what did they do about heights while in control? Nothing! More restrictive!


    And even now there is still left wing control of DCC, and what are they doing about heights? Trying to bring Johnny Ronan to court for having the cheek to build 13 floors in the Docklands!


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    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    And what did they do about heights while in control? Nothing! More restrictive!


    And even now there is still left wing control of DCC, and what are they doing about heights? Trying to bring Johnny Ronan to court for having the cheek to build 13 floors in the Docklands!

    I believe FG have more councillors on DCC than any other party. That said no council has been good on housing.


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