Union strike in a dual union school

Random sample

Who can they talk to in the week of an election?

SligoBrewer

Random sample wrote: »

Who can they talk to in the week of an election?

They can appease their membership that they're doing something with their one day strike.

Sir123

I have said this before but all 3 unions need to strike together. I know us ASTI were left on our own with no backing 3 years ago, but if a co-ordinated strike could somehow take place that would be ideal and cause some headache.

INTO need to get off their backside and stand up for their members. I hear John Boyle is optimistic that new pay talks could start after Easter and he hopes that pay equality can be achieved once and for all during these talks. A bit of dèja vu here. Crumbs will be handed again without some sort of strike.

I consider myself rationale and not very militant but us teachers need to be militant in order to stop being bullied. We have been bullied for nearly a decade.

I fully support the TUI and their strike and I hope it works. Pity it isn't all 3 together. I would love a good strike in order to clear the air.

Treppen

One things for certain, there won't be any talks going on before an election, or months after the election when all the horse trading is done.

They'd have to talk to all parties and get written assurances.

Here's what a written assurance from a politician looks like BTW;

TheValeyard

Treppen wrote: »

One things for certain, there won't be any talks going on before an election, or months after the election when all the horse trading is done.

They'd have to talk to all parties and get written assurances.

Here's what a written assurance from a politician looks like BTW;

What an absolute donkey he was. (not really fair on Donkeys though)

Terrible Minster of Education who made a complete balls of everything and the new JC.

Talked about equality and fairness, where is he now? - on the board of Nord Anglia International school. A school whose fees are up to E24000 a year!!!!! He is a complete hypocrite and utter ball bag.

doc_17

km79 wrote: »

Our lesser paid colleagues left the ASTI, joined the TUI,crossed the picket and left us out in the cold for them
The vast majority then returned with no penalty

There may still be one or two remaining in TUI
My guess is they just won’t picket
Sure who would know anyway.........
Maybe they will picket with the TUI school down the road but I wouldn’t count on it
They didn’t want to lose a days pay before so why would they now

To say they crossed the picket would be wrong. What picket did they cross?

km79

doc_17 wrote: »

To say they crossed the picket would wrong. What picket did they cross?

The one at the front of the school !
It’s not wrong
I’m not saying anymore on here about the specifics of our school so you will just have to take my word about to
I am sure our situation was not unique either

It will live a long long time in my memory

doc_17

km79 wrote: »

The one at the front of the school !
It’s not wrong
I’m not saying anymore on here about the specifics of our school so you will just have to take my word about to
I am sure our situation was not unique either

It will live a long long time in my memory

With all due respect I cannot accept that. What year? When did an ASTI strike happen and TUI crossed the picket?

Benicetomonty

doc_17 wrote: »

With all due respect I cannot accept that. What year? When did an ASTI strike happen and TUI crossed the picket?

Id argue that signing that document that was made available for TUI and non Union when the ASTI went on strike (or the lock out, whichever it was) the last time was essentially crossing a picket. That management agreed to facilitate it was the real sickener of course.
Will be very interested to see if the same option will be made available to ASTI members Tuesday 2 weeks, given that so many Ps and DPs joined the TUI at the time.

If it is, Id imagine that there would be a very high take up and solidarity be damned. Only way I see the ASTI rowing in behind the TUI this time is if the department threaten to impose FEMPI, which of course they should and, equally of course, they wont. But Ive been wrong before

doc_17

Benicetomonty wrote: »

Id argue that signing that document that was made available for TUI and non Union when the ASTI went on strike (or the lock out, whichever it was) the last time was essentially crossing a picket. That management agreed to facilitate it was the real sickener of course.
Will be very interested to see if the same option will be made available to ASTI members Tuesday 2 weeks, given that so many Ps and DPs joined the TUI at the time.

If it is, Id imagine that there would be a very high take up and solidarity be damned. Only way I see the ASTI rowing in behind the TUI this time is if the department threaten to impose FEMPI, which of course they should and, equally of course, they wont. But Ive been wrong before

That’s not crossing a picket. You can argue it all you want but it just isn’t. Walking past striking Union members is passing the picket. The other conduct isn’t on the same planet as that.

But as you say, I know a few Ps and DPs that switched Unions so if they stayed with TUI then it will be very interesting indeed.

Sir123

https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/tui-dispute-action/

Interesting statement from ASTI this afternoon incase ye haven't seen it.

Random sample

Sir123 wrote: »

https://www.asti.ie/news/latest-news/news-article/article/tui-dispute-action/

Interesting statement from ASTI this afternoon incase ye haven't seen it.

Thanks. I hadn’t seen that. Is it a bit unnecessarily long winded? I don’t really like the tone of it.

rainbowtrout

Very odd and a little unnecessary. It’s main purpose seems to be to have a dig at TUI which doesn’t really help. The advice on dual union schools is almost tacked on as an aside and doesn’t actually give any new info

Treppen

Maybe if TUI members are in the school's minority they could leave and join the ASTI instead. 😂

Sabella

A dream scenario for the government, three teachers unions, each feathering their own nest and not communicating with each other. The TUI need to be more militant or else all three unions sit down and actually work together for the actual people paying their subscriptions.

wingnut

Sabella wrote: »

A dream scenario for the government, three teachers unions, each feathering their own nest and not communicating with each other. The TUI need to be more militant or else all three unions sit down and actually work together for the actual people paying their subscriptions.

Hard to see that happening after the TUI facilitated wholesale movement of teachers during the last dispute. We went from being a majority ASTI school to having only a small handful of ASTI members. The threat to the increments lead to most staff switching as fast as they could.

Sabella

wingnut wrote: »

Hard to see that happening after the TUI facilitated wholesale movement of teachers during the last dispute. We went from being a majority ASTI school to having only a small handful of ASTI members. The threat to the increments lead to most staff switching as fast as they could.

Yeah ideal for the government, in reality they all need to sit down, see where each union are in negotiations and start working towards a common goal. One teacher should be treated the same as another. If they coordinated their talks the government would be back into proper negotiations.

Im not a strong trade unionist but again my salary never fails to deduct the contribution to the union, I would like to see them do more and like one poster mentioned earlier I would be surprised if this goes ahead or they actually achieve anything at all with it being so close to the election.

Millem

We picked our slots for picketing today. Our school is dual union and will close under health and safety grounds.

Benicetomonty

Hilarious lack of enthusiasm amongst the very small number of TUI members in our place, all bar one of whom jumped ship during the ASTI dispute. P and DP both members and neither have any interest in picketing. Haven't heard as much yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if JMB are advising managers of dual union schools to leave the TUI (as well as telling them to gently encourage their staff members to do likewise) so schools can remain open.

Means they'll be non-union for a period of course since they can't join the ASTI, but I doubt that'll bother them too much. Shambles :pac:

Treppen

Your be forgiven for thinking the JMB is a Union now.

expectationlost

where are these strikes happening?

Millem

expectationlost wrote: »

where are these strikes happening?

We will walk up and down the entrance/exit of the school.
I think our slots are 45 minutes long and in groups of 5.

expectationlost

Millem wrote: »

We will walk up and down the entrance/exit of the school.
I think our slots are 45 minutes long and in groups of 5.

which schools?

rainbowtrout

expectationlost wrote: »

which schools?

Schools where teachers are members of TUI

Millem

expectationlost wrote: »

which schools?

The school where I teach.

expectationlost

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Schools where teachers are members of TUI

is there a list?

solerina

expectationlost wrote: »

is there a list?

No....some schools do have TUI members, others don’t.

rainbowtrout

expectationlost wrote: »

is there a list?

No, because you'd have to know every teacher's union affiliation if any.

2011abc

ASTI balloting for strike on two tier pay. Hope there's a govt in power for us to protest against when the go ahead is given by the membership .

Darwin

I really don't get the purpose of this strike for third level members. The PCW agreement in 1998 introduced a new academic structure including Assistant Lecturer grade for future new entrants (amongst other things) and in return many people who were being strung along on EPT or TWT contracts were given permanent contracts. This was negotiated at the time by the TUI and was voted in by members. Now it looks like the executive want to unwind the less palatable parts of the PCW agreement? The timing of the strike is incomprehensible too, why now? I just don't see this as an election issue for any party (again talking about third level in particular)