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Why do you feel the need to buy a new car?

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    #182
    Quantum Erasure
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    How is buying a depreciating asset ( the car) that still has value, a waste but spending money on holidays which depreciate 100%, so have no value, not a waste?


    it depends on the 'enjoyment value' (I'm sure there's a proper 'psychological / economic' term...) of that money, and how its spent. How often do you get to actually 'enjoy' your car, on your hourly commute, in traffic, both ways?...


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    #183
    themouthpiece
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    FAMLEE wrote: »
    Yes, provided those 5 holidays were camping in Sligo out the back of a Skoda Octavia 1.6tdi.

    Some beast though that octavia especially the heavily choked 1.6tdi variant.. Tell me, does she pull well? Some refinement and comfort and jaysus they only eat the odd back shock every 10 years.

    She's like a new car to be fair. Again NCT next year takes 30 minutes of my time. She could fail on something.

    I will ring up the mechanic if it does with the fail sheet, they will collect it from my workplace and ring me with a quote. They will fix it and bring it in the the same night.

    A lot cheaper than 30K


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    #184
    FAMLEE
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    it depends on the 'enjoyment value' (I'm sure there's a proper 'psychological / economic' term...) of that money, and how its spent. How often do you get to actually 'enjoy' your car, on your hourly commute, both ways?...

    If you've the right car you'll enjoy every single second of that commute.


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    #185
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    She's like a new car to be fair. Again NCT next year takes 30 minutes of my time. She could fail on something.

    I will ring up the mechanic if it does with the fail sheet, they will collect it from my workplace and ring me with a quote. They will fix it and bring it in the the same night.

    A lot cheaper than 30K

    Only 15 more years of that and youre sorted.


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    #186
    themouthpiece
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I've asked you over and over, but all you do is come back that buying a new car is a waste of money.


    Why don't you buy everything 2nd hand and cheap to save money?


    How is buying a depreciating asset ( the car) that still has value, a waste but spending money on holidays which depreciate 100%, so have no value, not a waste?

    I'm looking back through the last four pages and there is no direct question, please proceed.


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    #187
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    it depends on the 'enjoyment value' (I'm sure there's a proper 'psychological / economic' term...) of that money, and how its spent. How often do you get to actually 'enjoy' your car, on your hourly commute, in traffic, both ways?...

    The same can be applied to travel. On a holiday I’m pretending not to be miserable for 80% of it and just not pretending for another 15%.


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    #188
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    I'm looking back through the last four pages and there is no direct question, please proceed.

    Are you taking the piss? What about the direct question you just quoted, for the 2nd time.

    They're even nicely spaced out in 2 separate sentences so as not to confuse.


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    #189
    themouthpiece
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Only 15 more years of that and youre sorted.

    Wow, one day out of the year, that's worth spending 35K on.


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    #190
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    I'm looking back through the last four pages and there is no direct question, please proceed.

    Two clear and obvious questions in the post you quoted so you’re blatantly flamping because you have no answers.

    Here they are again, feel free any time you like: I bolded them for you and all.



    Why don't you buy everything 2nd hand and cheap to save money?


    How is buying a depreciating asset ( the car) that still has value, a waste but spending money on holidays which depreciate 100%, so have no value, not a waste?


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    #191
    Quantum Erasure
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    The same can be applied to travel. On a holiday I’m pretending not to be miserable for 80% of it and just not pretending for another 15%.

    to be honest, I'd be the same.

    that's why I save my money and don't go on many foreign holidays, or buy expensive cars that i'd be spending my time sitting in traffic in....


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    #192
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    to be honest, I'd be the same.

    that's why I save my money and don't go on many foreign holidays, or buy expensive cars that i'd be spending my time sitting in traffic in....

    I listen to loads of podcasts so I enjoy sitting in traffic for the most part. If the traffic is too good I don’t get to hear them. I’d definitely be in the minority in that one though.


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    #193
    argentum
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    I dont drink or smoke so dont spend a huge amount of money every week on personal stuff.
    I work full time and also have a small part time job that pays me a couple of hundred a month so i work hard for my money.
    My pleasure is my new car every 4 years that I love driving .
    Over the years i love the new electronics that come in every car i get and love driving the actual car..I get them serviced every year and dont have to worry about repairs or breakdowns due to 5 yr warranties
    I'm in the market for a new SUV in the new 3 months and have spent part of my time this week looking at new models.
    I'd rather that than a holiday to be honest


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    #194
    Guy:Incognito
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    to be honest, I'd be the same.

    that's why I save my money and don't go on many foreign holidays, or buy expensive cars that i'd be spending my time sitting in traffic in....

    If you're spending so much time in the car, surely you want it to be as nice and as comfortable a place to be as possible? You wouldn't buy a church pew to use as a couch just because it's cheap.


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    #195
    themouthpiece
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    Two clear and obvious questions in the post you quoted so you’re blatantly flamping because you have no answers.

    Here they are again, feel free any time you like: I bolded them for you and all.



    Why don't you buy everything 2nd hand and cheap to save money?

    Because 30-35K or more is a lot of money over a few years. I plan on retiring at 45-50. I have a good car already which never gives trouble.

    How is buying a depreciating asset ( the car) that still has value, a waste but spending money on holidays which depreciate 100%, so have no value, not a waste?
    This answer is the typical person who never does anything except go to work and watch the late late show on a friday night. Its home work home work work work work home home etc.
    Get a life.


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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    This answer is the typical person who never does anything except go to work and watch the late late show on a friday night. Its home work home work work work work home home etc.
    Get a life.

    They are doing what they enjoy, not what you enjoy.

    You don’t have to justify spending loads on holidays if that’s what you enjoy. But you do have to justify why you think buying a car is a waste and a holiday isn't a waste for everyone.


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    #197
    themouthpiece
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    They are doing what they enjoy, not what you enjoy.

    But getting very defensive, i'm not.


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    #198
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    Wow, one day out of the year, that's worth spending 35K on.

    15 more years of no issues , or only cheap ones......

    Btw, the picking up and dropping of the car isn't free, its built in to the price. The mechanic isn't going to give up time he could be (or whoever's time that is collecting the car) actually earning money because he likes working on your car. At least ot one with any cop on will..


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    #199
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    But getting very defensive, i'm not.

    What?


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    #200
    themouthpiece
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    15 more years of no issues , or only cheap ones......

    Btw, the picking up and dropping of the car isn't free, its built in to the price. The mechanic isn't going to give up time he could be (or whoever's time that is collecting the car) actually earning money because he likes working on your car. At least ot one with any cop on will..

    Are you listening to yourself right now? Do you know my mechanic?


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    #201
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    This answer is the typical person who never does anything except go to work and watch the late late show on a friday night. Its home work home work work work work home home etc.
    Get a life.

    That not an answer. We're talking about money. Not what someone chooses to do with their time. Simple financial question. Not whether you prefer to go on holiday vs someone else preferring to spend time at home. If you're bringing the value of what you the enjoyment in to it then your arguement about it being a waste to buy the car is over, because someone enjoyment of the new car cancels it out, just the same as you say spending money on holidays negates the fact that you get no financial return .

    You're being very short sighted if you think lots of small amounts of money saved wouldn't be near one big amount.


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    #202
    Quantum Erasure
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If you're spending so much time in the car, surely you want it to be as nice and as comfortable a place to be as possible? You wouldn't buy a church pew to use as a couch just because it's cheap.

    there's comfortable, and there's 'top of the range, new off the shelf, 'sporty' models'. There's plenty 10 year old cars that won't leave you with ****ed up hips and back when you step out of the seat after a couple hours drive, theres plenty that'll get you there and back as comfortable as any other car


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    #203
    themouthpiece
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    That not an answer. Were talking about money. Not what someone chooses to do with their time.

    You're being very short sighted if you think lots of small amounts of money saved wouldn't be near one big amount.

    Okay a new Octavia in Ireland is 27K, mine cost me 7K and its the top spec, Oh where oh where did the other 20K done, im dumbfounded.


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    #204
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    Are you listening to yourself right now? Do you know my mechanic?

    I know economics. Any time he spends driving to and from you're house or job to collect the car is time he isn't earning.


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    #205
    themouthpiece
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭themouthpiece


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I know economics. Any time he spends driving to and from you're house or job to collect the car is time he isn't earning.

    Ah jaysus and answer my last query please if you have the cohonies.


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    #206
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    Okay a new Octavia in Ireland is 27K, mine cost me 7K and its the top spec, Oh where oh where did the other 20K done, im dumbfounded.

    That wasn't the question. Why don't you apply the same logic to all purchases and save money. Television, appliances, furniture. It's all a waste of money buying new, the logic is the same.


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    #207
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    Ah jaysus and answer my last query please if you have the cohonies.

    See "ah jaysus" isn't an answer.


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    #208
    themouthpiece
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭themouthpiece


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    That wasn't the question. Why don't you apply the same logic to all purchases and save money. Television, appliances, furniture. It's all a waste of money buying new, the logic is the same.

    Because a tv doesn't cost 27K, seriously that's basic economics.


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    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    Ah jaysus and answer my last query please if you have the cohonies.

    I answered your last one within a minute of you posting it, when you start having the same rate of reply then maybe you can start with the demands.

    Considering it took you half an hour and 3 attempts form 2 different people to get you to acknowledge 2 questions that you're still faffing about with , I think I'm doing ok.


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    #210
    themouthpiece
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I answered your last one within a mi ute of you posting it, when you start having the same rate of reply then maybe you can start with the demands.

    So Keep wasting your money on cars while i'll retire at 45-50. I actually think my 2010 Skoda will do me till then with a bit of fixing over the years.

    Enjoy. That's my last comment until someone comes back with a decent argument instead of trying to twist my comments.

    GL


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    #211
    Guy:Incognito
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    themouthpiece wrote: »
    Because a tv doesn't cost 27K, seriously that's basic economics.

    See, again with the picking out. 1 tv doesn't cost 27k, but it's a good thing I never said it did. I mean it's right there in the post you quoted, but you keep doing that, quoting and then just picking 1 word or a line out.


    Stopped arseing around the answer, why do you not apply the same money saving logic to all purchases? Forget that they don't cost the same as the car, you've tried that numerous times.

    Over the course of the 25 years we're discussing, you'll buy a lot of things, things which could be gotten much cheaper 2nd hand and do the same job and added up will save a lot of money. So why don't you? Why are you fixated on the car that that you wont be buying anyway?


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