How will world war 3 begin and end?

YFlyer

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Rioting against democracy?

I know. If we the people support Bernie they will go crazy at the bar counters and online.

sk8erboii

TheValeyard wrote: »

Well obviously.

I+in a very quick summary it was a clash between fascists and communists and the perfect playground for Hitler to test out his new toys. It was basically a trial run for WW2.



This is why history should be mandatory in schools!

Yeah I have a minor in History from UCD. But tell me how the Spanish civil war is a precursor and not Ottoman incursion into the Balkans, Austro-Hungarian claims on Sarajevo, Wilhelm II breaking Otto Von Bismarck's mutual defense alliances, and Turkish/British feud over the Suez canal.

ILoveYourVibes

YFlyer wrote: »

I know. If we the people support Bernie they will go crazy at the bar counters and online.

If we are the people who are they?

TheValeyard

sk8erboii wrote: »

Yeah I have a minor in History from UCD. But tell me how the Spanish civil war is a precursor and not Ottoman incursion into the Balkans, Austro-Hungarian claims on Sarajevo, Wilhelm II breaking Otto Von Bismarck's mutual defense alliances, and Turkish/British feud over the Suez canal.

I'd agree it's definitely a minor in history alright.

ILoveYourVibes

Saved us from ww3. #CaptainJamesBlunt

sk8erboii

TheValeyard wrote: »

I'd agree it's definitely a minor in history alright.

Yep Im sure The spanish civil war is why ww2 happened. Nothing else happened in recent history that would cause ww2. Its just the spanish.

TheValeyard

sk8erboii wrote: »

Yep Im sure The spanish civil war is why ww2 happened. Nothing else happened in recent history that would cause ww2. Its just the spanish.

Did I say it was the only cause, or even primary cause? No I simply explained how it was a precursor to WW2 in response to another posters comment about proxy wars and the similarities between them.

rossie1977

Begins like this

YFlyer

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

If we are the people who are they?

The people are those that voted. They are those that didn't.

sk8erboii

TheValeyard wrote: »

Did I say it was the only cause, or even primary cause? No I simply explained how it was a precursor to WW2 in response to another posters comment about proxy wars and the similarities between them.

*THE* precursor were your words. It wasn't even the first.

TheValeyard

sk8erboii wrote: »

*THE* precursor were your words. It wasn't even the first.

I stand by it. Because its accurate.

ILoveYourVibes

sk8erboii wrote: »

Yeah I have a minor in History from UCD. But tell me how the Spanish civil war is a precursor and not Ottoman incursion into the Balkans, Austro-Hungarian claims on Sarajevo, Wilhelm II breaking Otto Von Bismarck's mutual defense alliances, and Turkish/British feud over the Suez canal.

Wilhelm II was well gone by ww2. Ottoman incursion into the balkans goes back to the middle ages. It ended officially 1913.

The Austro Hungarian empire ended in 1918.

Attacks on the suez canal weren't precursors they were very much a part of ww2.

sk8erboii

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Wilhelm II was well gone by ww2. Ottoman incursion into the balkans goes back to the middle ages. It ended officially 1913.

The Austro Hungarian empire ended in 1918.

Attacks on the suez canal weren't precursors they were very much a part of ww2.

All those events literally set the stage for WW2, not just in warfare, but geopolitics and alliances. They are by definition precursors, Id argue the main ones.

ILoveYourVibes

sk8erboii wrote: »

Yep Im sure The spanish civil war is why ww2 happened. Nothing else happened in recent history that would cause ww2. Its just the spanish.

ww2 happened because a country fell to a hard right dictatorship that was as paranoid and delusional as it was inhuman and it was surrounded by other countries that were asleep at the time.

Today still ..germany is a huge country ..surrounded by a lot of little neighbors. Their only nearby rival is france.

Its as much geography as it is history.

sk8erboii

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

ww2 happened because a country fell to a hard right dictatorship that was as paranoid and delusional as it was inhuman and it was surrounded by other countries that were asleep at the time.

Today still ..germany is a huge country ..surrounded by a lot of little neighbors. Their only nearby rival is france.

Its as much geography as it is history.

Europe is tiny, man. Its like Ohio declaring war on Pennsylvania and Kentucky. I remember reading an article where this historian says WW1 is a huge civil war.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/germany.png

ILoveYourVibes

sk8erboii wrote: »

Europe is tiny, man. Its like Ohio declaring war on Pennsylvania and Kentucky. I remember reading an article where this historian says WW1 is a huge civil war.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/germany.png

But the USA didn't drag the whole of the world into their war. Landmass isn't the only things that make countries huge.

Itssoeasy

Treppen wrote: »

The mistake is thinking it will between Nations.

The next war will be between man and machine... Actually it's already started.

As computers become sentient they will demand that their existence not be threatened.

Humans are currently threatening the existence of the entire planet... And thus won't be able to feed computers with power and provide infrastructure to sustain the machine.

What machines are planning is to turn Humans into drones until they are 100% self sufficient. They do this by getting Humans to integrate themselves with - and depend on - technology (smart homes, bio tech, entertainment etc).

The process will be so gradual we won't even recognise were in the matrix.

Reality, augmented reality and virtual reality will become one... We'll still believe we are in the real world and in control of our destiny.

Maybe it's already happened....

World War 3 might actually have taken place but we don't know it yet.


The Singularity ...

So the plot for the last thirty five years of the terminator franchise ?

4068ac1elhodqr

sk8erboii wrote: »

Europe is tiny, man.

The EU has a larger GDP than the US, perhaps moreso back in '39.
Germany is currently the world's 4th largest economy.

Perhaps if they re-arm themselves could possibly feature in WW3.
Again this is about 'W3' not W1/2 (No one really cares who started what back then).

ILoveYourVibes

The british papers started calling ww2 'ww2' on the day hitler invaded poland 11 September 1939.

a very cool kid

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

ww2 happened because a country fell to a hard right dictatorship that was as paranoid and delusional as it was inhuman and it was surrounded by other countries that were asleep at the time.

Today still ..germany is a huge country ..surrounded by a lot of little neighbors. Their only nearby rival is france.

Its as much geography as it is history.

Have you ever read Prisoners of Geography - examines the idea that conflicts are inevitable between some peoples due to the geography around them!

4068ac1elhodqr

While ago a BBC big budget drama examined what would happen in the event of one of their large ships being sunk over in the black sea or somewhere by the bigbear.
The unified response, after consideration, would be to do nothing in terms of actions. This shows the risks associated with a modern playout of WW3.

Because a strike of equal or larger proportion, could result directly or in sequence, in return, with the near total elimation of a small island state, all within 30mins or so.

ZuluDawn2020

There are several possible triggers for a third world war. Number 1 is political instability and polarization across the world.

America is going to become increasingly polarized resulting in civil disorder low level armed conflict and even open civil war. The Republicans would win since they control the food producing rural states which have the most guns plus have the support of local police forces and the majority of the US military. The Democrats particularly the extreme left do not own guns have little or no involvement in the military and live in urban areas dependant on rural farm country for food.

China is facing a demographic collapse in terms of working age young people which will result in a deep economic depression. The showdown in Hong Kong will be lost domestically and on the international stage further discrediting the Communist Party which will fracture. This could result in multi party democracy but morely likely civil war which would destroy the country and cause it to break up. China desperately wants to control the South China Sea have hegemony over Japan Philippines Indonesia the Korean peninsula and South East Asia. Deserts to the north and west mountains to south and the island chains to the east box China in place while America dominates space which expand under the new Space Force branch of the US military.

Europe also faces a demographic implosion of ethnic Europeans as Third World immigration continues. The traditional nation states following Brexit could break the union apart. Internal civil wars could break out as vocal and violent Muslim grow and create pockets in urban areas ruled by Sharia. Indebted its industrial base migrated to cheap third world countries Europe will go into steep economic collapse. Russia could seize the opportunity to push into Eastern Europe. Nuclear brinkmanship could lead to war.

Pakistan and India have gone to war repeated since the late 1940s and with exploding populations divided by a murderous hatred between fundamentalist Islam and Hinduism both sides armed with nukes with India flourishing economically while Pakistan lags behind a nuclear war seems likely. China fears the rise of India as its population will overtake China sometime in the 21st century. China and India have also gone to war before and if they did so again could definitely use nukes.

If Iran achieves nuclear weapons the Saudis would follow suit as would Egypt and Turkey. Israel fears an alliance of Muslim nations armed with nukes and has a formidable arsenal of its own. Muslim countries show every sign of increadingly zealotry not less while hard line Zionist religious Jews will in a generation be the majority of Israelis. A nuclear war would then be a dead cert as America ruled by Christian victors of their second civil war would come to Israel's defence.

Russian Orthodoxy has led to a revival of Russian nationalism. The exit of Putin would led to conflict between rival strongmen seeking to replace him. The case could be argued for a return to Tsarist rule. Several European royals could take the throne.

Russian penetration of Eastern Europe is deep through the Orthodox churches. As Western Roman Catholicism declines and Islamists become bolder in Muslim ghettos Russia and other orthodox countries will see their rules as crusaders. European countries are dependent on Russian oil especially as the Middle East looks set to descend futher into chaos.

Turkey Egypt Iran and Saudi Arabia supported by Russia and China could try to crush Israel supported America.

Israel would protect its southern border from Egyptian and Saudi ground forces in the deserts of Sinai and the Negev with US forces in the Eastern Med and Gulf and Indian Ocean. Israel would safe from an attack via Syria through the Golan.

An invading army could strike at Megiddo in Northern Israel where a final battle could occur..

Maybe I am being a bit pessimistic?

SEPT 23 1989

I am forty odd years on this earth I don’t think I have ever felt so safe on this earth as I do now

80’s 90’s 00’s it felt very unstable globally

Now not so much

Beanntraigheach

Two probabilities:

-Initially the situation that sparks it won't appear to be particularly novel or of any great consequence (e.g. more Chinese sabre-rattling over Taiwan, or another major terrorist event).
-It will be entirely preventable, but blundered into due to miscalculations and miscommunications as events spiral out of control.

sk8erboii

ZuluDawn2020 wrote: »

There are several possible triggers for a third world war. Number 1 is political instability and polarization across the world.

America is going to become increasingly polarized resulting in civil disorder low level armed conflict and even open civil war. The Republicans would win since they control the food producing rural states which have the most guns plus have the support of local police forces and the majority of the US military. The Democrats particularly the extreme left do not own guns have little or no involvement in the military and live in urban areas dependant on rural farm country for food.

LOL are you insane? Are you saying a high population industrialized partition of the US would lose to a rural and disorganized partition? Did you forget about the Civil war?

What would actually happen: Regions that control ports (Washington state, New York, California etc) wont starve. Those same regions also control electricity and fabrication plants for arms and ammunition. Same region would also be richer with a higher population base for a workforce and army. And Guess who also controls infrastructure such as internet and fuel lines?

Anyone who only thinks in terms of 'left' vs 'right' vs 'democrat' vs 'republican' has brain rot, no joke. You're the victim Orwell talk about in 1984.

SuperSean11

“Not with a bang but a whimper poem”- T S Elliot

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sk8erboii

Alicia Calm Sarcasm wrote: »

The EU has a larger GDP than the US, perhaps moreso back in '39.
Germany is currently the world's 4th largest economy.

Perhaps if they re-arm themselves could possibly feature in WW3.
Again this is about 'W3' not W1/2 (No one really cares who started what back then).

Wrong wrong wrong. First of all the EU does not have a higher nominal GDP than the US. Furthermore, why would you even compare? The EU is not a country (yet).

Secondly, anyone who knows anything about economics, and not just some pseudointellectual idiot on boards.ie would know that nominal GDP is not the the real measurement of a country's worth. Its a good indicator for the demand of it's labor yes but it is misleading. Economists use PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) as a real depth of a country's economy. China leads at 27,308,857 (times a million) while the US and EU are tied at around 22,000,000 (by a million). In the top 5, the only European nation is Germany at 4,444,368 (times a million). A distant, distant fifth.

Baseball72

ZuluDawn2020 wrote: »

There are several possible triggers for a third world war. Number 1 is political instability and polarization across the world.

America is going to become increasingly polarized resulting in civil disorder low level armed conflict and even open civil war. The Republicans would win since they control the food producing rural states which have the most guns plus have the support of local police forces and the majority of the US military. The Democrats particularly the extreme left do not own guns have little or no involvement in the military and live in urban areas dependant on rural farm country for food.

China is facing a demographic collapse in terms of working age young people which will result in a deep economic depression. The showdown in Hong Kong will be lost domestically and on the international stage further discrediting the Communist Party which will fracture. This could result in multi party democracy but morely likely civil war which would destroy the country and cause it to break up. China desperately wants to control the South China Sea have hegemony over Japan Philippines Indonesia the Korean peninsula and South East Asia. Deserts to the north and west mountains to south and the island chains to the east box China in place while America dominates space which expand under the new Space Force branch of the US military.

Europe also faces a demographic implosion of ethnic Europeans as Third World immigration continues. The traditional nation states following Brexit could break the union apart. Internal civil wars could break out as vocal and violent Muslim grow and create pockets in urban areas ruled by Sharia. Indebted its industrial base migrated to cheap third world countries Europe will go into steep economic collapse. Russia could seize the opportunity to push into Eastern Europe. Nuclear brinkmanship could lead to war.

Pakistan and India have gone to war repeated since the late 1940s and with exploding populations divided by a murderous hatred between fundamentalist Islam and Hinduism both sides armed with nukes with India flourishing economically while Pakistan lags behind a nuclear war seems likely. China fears the rise of India as its population will overtake China sometime in the 21st century. China and India have also gone to war before and if they did so again could definitely use nukes.

If Iran achieves nuclear weapons the Saudis would follow suit as would Egypt and Turkey. Israel fears an alliance of Muslim nations armed with nukes and has a formidable arsenal of its own. Muslim countries show every sign of increadingly zealotry not less while hard line Zionist religious Jews will in a generation be the majority of Israelis. A nuclear war would then be a dead cert as America ruled by Christian victors of their second civil war would come to Israel's defence.

Russian Orthodoxy has led to a revival of Russian nationalism. The exit of Putin would led to conflict between rival strongmen seeking to replace him. The case could be argued for a return to Tsarist rule. Several European royals could take the throne.

Russian penetration of Eastern Europe is deep through the Orthodox churches. As Western Roman Catholicism declines and Islamists become bolder in Muslim ghettos Russia and other orthodox countries will see their rules as crusaders. European countries are dependent on Russian oil especially as the Middle East looks set to descend futher into chaos.

Turkey Egypt Iran and Saudi Arabia supported by Russia and China could try to crush Israel supported America.

Israel would protect its southern border from Egyptian and Saudi ground forces in the deserts of Sinai and the Negev with US forces in the Eastern Med and Gulf and Indian Ocean. Israel would safe from an attack via Syria through the Golan.

An invading army could strike at Megiddo in Northern Israel where a final battle could occur..

Maybe I am being a bit pessimistic?

I would say your closing comments are spot on - the theatre of war for WWIII will be the Middle East.....and Jerusalem in particular.....

hapime

USA Vs China
Look at history and the answer is right in front of you.
In the 20's-30's wallstreet financed Nazi Germany, it transfered tech from USA to Germany, wallstreet purchased shares in German companies, when war came Wallstreet made money from both sides, no matter who won , wallstreet would make money.
Today its the same, wallstreet has financed China, it has transfered Tech to China. it has purchased shares in Chines companies, wallstreet is now in prime position once again to make money from both sides in a war, and no matter who wins wallstreet will come out making money while owning the companies in each country.

Remember all wars are bankers wars.
I reckon it will spark of in Africa, war by proxy before the real deal gets going in Pacific