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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    I wouldn’t get carried away, this won’t last long

    We’ll see. Most positions stop loss are at break even now anyway so I can enjoy the ride


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    the market being green at the moment could be a false breakout to trick people into buying in before it dumps hard on them


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    the market being green at the moment could be a false breakout to trick people into buying in before it dumps hard on them

    Could well be. Important to set up trades with a decent r/r to account for losses. Always have to have an edge :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Just opened a position in ryanair. Risky but lets see what happens.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭championc


    Just opened a position in ryanair. Risky but lets see what happens.

    I think it'll crash as Easter travel gets absolutely hammered. Many people will have bought seats already for March and may choose not to travel, but the seats are paid for, but many people would be booking now for Easter.

    I personally think that Italy are lying about their numbers. How can some many people all over Europe have been affected by travelling to northern Italy, with only 3000 infected ? Makes no sense - the place must be riddled. I can only think that they are trying to protect their tourism


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    championc wrote: »
    I think it'll crash as Easter travel gets absolutely hammered. Many people will have bought seats already for March and may choose not to travel, but the seats are paid for, but many people would be booking now for Easter.

    I personally think that Italy are lying about their numbers. How can some many people all over Europe have been affected by travelling to northern Italy, with only 3000 infected ? Makes no sense - the place must be riddled. I can only think that they are trying to protect their tourism

    Every school in the country and 3rd level are closed for at least 2 weeks

    What does that tell you


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    championc wrote: »
    I think it'll crash as Easter travel gets absolutely hammered. Many people will have bought seats already for March and may choose not to travel, but the seats are paid for, but many people would be booking now for Easter.

    I personally think that Italy are lying about their numbers. How can some many people all over Europe have been affected by travelling to northern Italy, with only 3000 infected ? Makes no sense - the place must be riddled. I can only think that they are trying to protect their tourism

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-03-03/ryanair-ceo-o-leary-on-coronavirus-impact-boeing-s-737-max-jet-video

    Easter bookings looking OK so far but will naturally probably be softer. It seems like it is already priced in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-03-03/ryanair-ceo-o-leary-on-coronavirus-impact-boeing-s-737-max-jet-video

    Easter bookings looking OK so far but will naturally probably be softer. It seems like it is already priced in.

    Not sure the level of hysteria and panic we are going to see over the next week is priced in anywhere. Sentiment drives the markets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Not sure the level of hysteria and panic we are going to see over the next week is priced in anywhere. Sentiment drives the markets.

    Why do you think there will be an increase this particular week?


  • Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Stating the obvious but short term is going to be very messy. Can't see any light on the horizon.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Stating the obvious but short term is going to be very messy. Can't see any light on the horizon.

    China seem to be coming out the other end.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Waiting for Airlines to really sink before I invest in Delta


  • Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    Waiting for Airlines to really sink before I invest in Delta

    Out of curiosity, what kind of price would you be looking at before you'd make a move?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Out of curiosity, what kind of price would you be looking at before you'd make a move?

    I see another 15 - 20% dropping from travel companies stocks. I work as a software engineer for a company that provides car rental software and we're seeing a real drop in bookings as a result of this Corona virus. There's real fear in the company!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭q85dw7osi4lebg


    US 10 YR is 0.79% this morning, make of that what you will.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭q85dw7osi4lebg


    *0.77%


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭q85dw7osi4lebg


    .70 WTF! Big day ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭onrail


    .70 WTF! Big day ahead.

    Could we get an explainer for the significance?


  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭cefh17


    onrail wrote: »
    Could we get an explainer for the significance?

    Those 10 year bonds are an indication of market sentiment, the fact that the rates offered are as low as they are and further dropping shows that they're offering lower returns for a long term guarantee (aka, risky short term). When the rates long term (10yr) are shorter than the (3mo/1yr) rates then it is one sign of a likely recession. My basic understanding of it anyhow...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    onrail wrote: »
    Could we get an explainer for the significance?

    My understanding is:
    - yields going lower means more investors are trying to buy bonds (willing to take 0.7% return over 10 years than play the market).
    - leaves less money for shares so share prices aren't going to recover today as they have after drops over the past few weeks


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Just opened a position in ryanair. Risky but lets see what happens.

    Down almost 10% in the last couple of days. Could be more to go. Should be big value there when the time is right. When that is is the big question.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,062 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    cefh17 wrote: »
    Those 10 year bonds are an indication of market sentiment, the fact that the rates offered are as low as they are and further dropping shows that they're offering lower returns for a long term guarantee (aka, risky short term). When the rates long term (10yr) are shorter than the (3mo/1yr) rates then it is one sign of a likely recession. My basic understanding of it anyhow...

    Then again it could just be a question of supply and demand... there is a massive cash surplus looking for a return, so most of the old analysis is unless and was questionable even back then...

    Recessions typically follow a seven or eight year cycle and rates are just as likely to reflect people’s expectations as anything else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    I'm turning into a currency speculator these days too.
    Was wondering why there was a big drop this morning and the markets aren't open. US Dollar vs the Euro is taking a hammering today. So my US stock is devaluing away.
    1Euro was $1.11 yesterday. Today it's $1.13. So nearly a 2% drop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭themossinator


    massive flight to safety in bonds recently


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,335 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Bought some LADR for its dividend today.
    I reckon BA was at serious bargain levels earlier today, didn't have any cash left to deploy myself though. I reckon once the Max does fly BA is going to be north of $400 again rapidly. So while I'm down a bit on it I'm happy enough to bide my time.
    I bet Buffet is licking his chops at the moment.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Ftse 100 closed at lowest level since 2016 the weekend may provide some respite...but probably more of the same next week


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    My understanding is:
    - yields going lower means more investors are trying to buy bonds (willing to take 0.7% return over 10 years than play the market).
    - leaves less money for shares so share prices aren't going to recover today as they have after drops over the past few weeks

    Oil and bonds are predicting the same thing. Huge global recession. Considering the central banks are going to print into oblivion as deflation will destroy them and their huge debts I’d say you need you need a portfolio to defend against inflation.

    So invest in businesses that can raise their prices easily due to inelastic demand and that generate cash. Oil and energy in general is in the gutter at multi decade lows so that will be my play when the time comes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    If everyone is self isolated Netflix is gonna up their subs big time


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  • Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Cheap fuel, low rates, more stimulus, companies with no stock you would think if it blows over we are ready for lift of that's if companies can get through it soon.


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