Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

GarIT

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Looking at how fast both Mercedes and Racing Point are, I'm wondering if Mercedes made a big engine performance leap over the winter? That in turn is making Ferrari look even worse than they are. Everyone else bar Red Bull are miles behind, and Williams are a second faster than last year

Nope. They are only up .3 seconds on last season. I'd say that's within the relm of expected between minor engine upgrades and aero.

PukkaStukka

GarIT wrote: »

Nope. They are only up .3 seconds on last season. I'd say that's within the relm of expected between minor engine upgrades and aero.

Sorry if I didn't make it clear. I'm talking about realative performances between teams. All of the Mercedes powered teams have found pace over the winter, whereas the Ferrari powered ones are the opposite. The improvement of the former is making the loss of the latter look bigger than it is.

GarIT

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Sorry if I didn't make it clear. I'm talking about realative performances between teams. All of the Mercedes powered teams have found pace over the winter, whereas the Ferrari powered ones are the opposite. The improvement of the former is making the loss of the latter look bigger than it is.

I disagree. Ferari are down something like .9 seconds on last year. As are all of their customers. Mercedes has made small incremental gains as expected.

chopperbyrne

Is F1 carried on any (legally obtainable) channels other than Sky in Ireland?

Adamocovic

Russell just showcasing his ability again.

Fantastic result for Williams.

Burkie1203

OSI wrote: »

That's not true, FIA mandated all teams close factories and stop work related to car performance for a period of 63 days.

Like that really actually happened .....

namloc1980

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Is F1 carried on any (legally obtainable) channels other than Sky in Ireland?

Channel 4 do qualifying and race highlights on Saturday and Sunday at around 6.30.

Inquitus

What spec did Ferrari use today? Was it the all the new parts, last weeks car, or a mix of the two? The upgrades seem duff either way, and with the engines locked down til 2021 it's hard to see them improving things to an acceptable level in a hurry! They are in the deepest doodoo they have had car wise for many a year, this 2020 car seems likely to give the 2014 version a run for its money!

Inquitus

Binotto admits the upgrades don't work, Leclerc also gets a 3 place grid penalty for blocking Kvyat:

Binotto called it a “really disappointing day” and said Ferrari must face up to the fact that “the stopwatch doesn’t ever lie” after it was outqualified by cars from Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren, Renault and AlphaTauri.

Charles Leclerc Ferrari Styrian Grand Prix 2020

“In two qualifying sessions, albeit in different conditions, we have not been competitive, not only against those who have been our closest rivals over the past few years, but also against others, who up to yesterday were generally behind us,” said Binotto.

“We worked very hard to bring updates to the car earlier than planned, but they didn’t show their worth on track.

“We have to work out why and change this state of affairs, which is just not good enough for a team by the name of Ferrari.

“We mustn’t get het up about it, but we cannot ignore the facts.”

https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferrari-updates-didnt-show-their-worth-leclerc-penalised/

El_Duderino 09

Inquitus wrote: »

What spec did Ferrari use today? Was it the all the new parts, last weeks car, or a mix of the two? The upgrades seem duff either way, and with the engines locked down til 2021 it's hard to see them improving things to an acceptable level in a hurry! They are in the deepest doodoo they have had car wise for many a year, this 2020 car seems likely to give the 2014 version a run for its money!

They had planned an upgrade next weekend but they sh1t the bed last weekend anf decided to rush some of the aero parts for this week. So it was probably half of the intended upgrade.

Any individual upgrade is usually pretty subtle. So half an upgrade would probably be almost imperceptible.

PukkaStukka

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Is F1 carried on any (legally obtainable) channels other than Sky in Ireland?

Im getting it on RTL (in German) on Astra 19.2E. It cost me the price of a second dish and a DiSEqC switch, and cabled it into my existing Satellite system. It's free but there are frequent adverts too.

That or a delayed broadcast from CH4

PukkaStukka

One thing I noticed today from the wet qualifying was the how the rain and spray gave away how the aero worked on some of the cars. What I saw from the front end of the Mercedes looked very impressive. It seemed like the air was separating around the front suspension and pushing the outwash away from the side pods to reduce drag. It was amazing and looked really clean whereas other cars - like the Ferrari - just looked uncontrolled.

Did anyone else notice this?

Top Dog

I know the rain played its part today, making it harder to determine the differences in each team's performance. However, wouldn't you love to know what's going through Sainz's head now having qualified 3rd, and seeing what a s**tbox his car for next year is shaping up to be? :eek:

naughto

The channel 4 f1 is shocking bad can they be any further up Lewis h1ole

flazio

naughto wrote: »

The channel 4 f1 is shocking bad can they be any further up Lewis h1ole

Lewis earned it today, you'd have to be obnoxiously biased against Hamilton not to see that.

El_Duderino 09

PukkaStukka wrote: »

One thing I noticed today from the wet qualifying was the how the rain and spray gave away how the aero worked on some of the cars. What I saw from the front end of the Mercedes looked very impressive. It seemed like the air was separating around the front suspension and pushing the outwash away from the side pods to reduce drag. It was amazing and looked really clean whereas other cars - like the Ferrari - just looked uncontrolled.

Did anyone else notice this?

I haven't seen the highlights yet but I'll keep an eye out for it.

One area that is a big concern is the bit between the middle of the front wing and along the nose cone. The vortex created along each side of the nose cone is the turbulent air that will have go either under the car or over it and is very hard to control. That's why they have the aero devices along the under side of the nose cone to try to control it as much as possible.

I'd say the air irks too energised to show up even in the wet conditions but I'll look out for the stuff you're talking about.

AMKC

naughto wrote: »

The channel 4 f1 is shocking bad can they be any further up Lewis h1ole

I think Channel 4 are doing a good job considering the circumstances and restrictions they are under. Lewis but in an amazing lap in the wat today. If it was Max or Bottas that done that lap then they would have praised them so to answer your question no.

the_pen_turner

AMKC wrote: »

I think Channel 4 are doing a good job considering the circumstances and restrictions they are under. Lewis but in an amazing lap in the wat today. If it was Max or Bottas that done that lap then they would have praised them so to answer your question no.

they are great in lots of ways but their brown nosing of lewis is very obvious. he can do no wrong in their eyes.

AMKC

the_pen_turner wrote: »

they are great in lots of ways but their brown nosing of lewis is very obvious. he can do no wrong in their eyes.

Maybe but I heard Sky is even worse and from the few times I have got to see a race live on Sky it's very obvious they are all Lewis. What do you expect do? They are British broadcast channels and he is British.

the_pen_turner

AMKC wrote: »

Maybe but I heard Sky is even worse and from the few times I have got to see a race live on Sky it's very obvious they are all Lewis. What do you expect do? They are British broadcast channels and he is British.

its makes sense to the uk audience but its bloody annoying to everyone else

elperello

the_pen_turner wrote: »

they are great in lots of ways but their brown nosing of lewis is very obvious. he can do no wrong in their eyes.

the_pen_turner wrote: »

its makes sense to the uk audience but its bloody annoying to everyone else

I don't find it in the least annoying.

He's the class of the field and their coverage reflects that.

the_pen_turner

elperello wrote: »

I don't find it in the least annoying.

He's the class of the field and their coverage reflects that.

i have no problem with saying he is a great driver. he is easily one of the greatest of all time. garanteed top 5 even by his haters

its the over the top brown nosing that annoys me. he can do no wrong. he crashes into an aponent and its not his fault,
anything his fault is 50 50 . anything 50 50 is the other drivers fault, cars fault, weathers fault etc.

g1983d

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i have no problem with saying he is a great driver. he is easily one of the greatest of all time. garanteed top 5 even by his haters

its the over the top brown nosing that annoys me. he can do no wrong. he crashes into an aponent and its not his fault,
anything his fault is 50 50 . anything 50 50 is the other drivers fault, cars fault, weathers fault etc.

Typical example is Albon crash last week, Brindley, who I like most of the time, keeps saying Albon shoudve been more patient, even said it again today, if Lewis pulled off a move like that they'd have it in the highlights reel forever more as an example of what a god he is

El_Duderino 09

elperello wrote: »

I don't find it in the least annoying.

He's the class of the field and their coverage reflects that.

No. He's the class of the field but it doesn't mean they have to prostrate themselves before him. Great example last weekend when Hamilton diddled Albon and the first comment from Sky was that Albon should have been more patient.

They go out of their way to see any fault by Hamilton as someone else's fault and any success as a triumph by Hamilton. Its just plain bias.

It depends on whether to expect Sky to be impartially commenting on the events or to be making th best possible show to a British audience.

I doubt the RTE coverage was impartial to Jordan or Irvine in the late 90s.

GarIT

Just wait for the British grand prix, the home of motorsport, the most challenging and entertaining track in the home country of every champion we can remember to list off, a special track that is important to a lot of drivers, fans and teams, the highlight of the season Silverston.

vectra

flazio wrote: »

Lewis earned it today, you'd have to be obnoxiously biased against Hamilton not to see that.

I wouldn't be a Lewis fan by any stretch of the imagination. But I have to agree with you 100%.

Anjobe

GarIT wrote: »

Just wait for the British grand prix, the home of motorsport, the most challenging and entertaining track in the home country of every champion we can remember to list off, a special track that is important to a lot of drivers, fans and teams, the highlight of the season Silverston.

If you don’t like British coverage don’t watch it, otherwise suck it up and get over yourself. You can’t really expect coverage of international sport to be impartial. RTE’s coverage of rugby, for example, is far worse in this regard.

naughto

naughto wrote: »

The channel 4 f1 is shocking bad can they be any further up Lewis h1ole

It was hilarious last week when the commentators had already decided the incident wasn’t Hamiltons fault in a split second before they even seen a replay. Unbelievably biased. They’re a British channel though, so I suppose they should be.

GarIT

Anjobe wrote: »

If you don’t like British coverage don’t watch it, otherwise suck it up and get over yourself. You can’t really expect coverage of international sport to be impartial. RTE’s coverage of rugby, for example, is far worse in this regard.

Unfortunately there aren't many other choices for watching in English without ads. I can accept that something is the best of a bad selection and then still complain about it.

El_Duderino 09

Watching the C4 quali highlights now. I really wish Stephen Jones would stop the set piece jokes. Really bad, scripted jokes. Like nails on a blackboard