Syrian refugee student wins state scholarship

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Matt Barrett wrote: »

That make's you a conspiracy theorist. The Trumpesque idea that the media is one unit acting towards the same goal.

Media outlets having editorial stances and biases is not a conspiracy theory

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dvdman1 wrote: »

Who appointed the RTE board, the government of Ireland did, thats an indisputable FACT.....
If board members make private assurances to politicians theres absolutely no freedom no matter how its dressed up.

You are suggesting that Board members give private assuarances to politicians and that this sets the news (which is then copied by all the other "mainstream media", by the way.)

That is a conspiracy theory , not a fact.

dvdman1 wrote: »

How can a fact be a conspiracy theory?

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And all this because the media dared report that a Syrian immigrant won the inaugural William Campbell bursary! Bizarre!

wiggle16

dvdman1 wrote: »

Who appointed the RTE board, the government of Ireland did, thats an indisputable FACT.....
If board members make private assurances to politicians theres absolutely no freedom no matter how its dressed up.

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc...

The FACT that you are asserting is that the government appoints RTÉ board members. That's fine.

The matter of it being a FACT does not make subsequent propositions factual.

Then, as if there is a link the two, you suddenly bring in "private assurances" between ministers and board members, of which there is no evidence. That is NOT A FACT. That is an ASSUMPTION of a conspiracy between the broadcaster and the incumbent government.

A conspiracy theory.

Overheal

I thought this thread was dead on arrival with normal people just being like “...cool” but no here we are with folks acting as though this was one of the highest crimes in the country’s history

Tacitus Kilgore

GarIT wrote: »

Unless she takes that statement of support for terrorism off her head she shouldn't get a cent.

By that logic there shouldn't be a tricolour flying in the country

Odhinn

Overheal wrote: »

I thought this thread was dead on arrival with normal people just being like “...cool” but no here we are with folks acting as though this was one of the highest crimes in the country’s history

People filled with hate need to spew it out on a regular basis.

Faugheen

Odhinn wrote: »

People filled with hate need to spew it out on a regular basis.

Same people too.

Donald Trump

enricoh wrote: »

So she wasn't fleeing war torn syria at all, she was living in dubai for a few years ffs.

What was she fleeing dubai to claim asylum in ireland for? The oppressive heat in summer?! Makes no odds, the irish media will lap it up.

Perhaps Dubai don't give asylum status? If she was from Syria and couldn't go back there she is entitled to try to claim asylum somewhere. Maybe she couldn't claim in in UAE, and even though the father had a job there that status was only ever going to temporary and at the whim of the UAE

osarusan

GarIT wrote: »

Unless she takes that statement of support for terrorism off her head she shouldn't get a cent.

GarIT wrote: »

Those headcoverings terrorise the people around them.

A new level of thread stupidity has been reached.

Odhinn

GarIT wrote: »

I don't see how a flag designed to signify peace between religions is a symbol of terror. People are scared of those headcoverings, they terrorise the people around them. I couldn't wear a balaclava in public she shouldn't be allowed carry out that nonsense.

Nonsense. It's just a scarf over the hair.

Tacitus Kilgore

GarIT wrote: »

I don't see how a flag designed to signify peace between religions is a symbol of terror. People are scared of those headcoverings, they terrorise the people around them. I couldn't wear a balaclava in public she shouldn't be allowed carry out that nonsense.

Don't you? well you must not have seen a whole lot of the troubles then.


It's the same with them fucking nuns too, terrifying so they are.

Boggles

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Don't you? well you must not have seen a whole lot of the troubles then.


It's the same with them fucking nuns too, terrifying so they are.

Mother Teresa used to give me instant diarrhea just by looking at her.

Think she started ISIS.

James Brown

dvdman1 wrote: »

Who appoints the RTE board of management?

Do you think putin ever had a hand in any story run through RT - Russia Today? If i claimed this you wouldn't bad an eyelid

On the scale of stacking the deck to suit yourself Leo's raison d'etre is more making a balls of policing his own party's sly moves than Putin level. Putin wouldn't have him making the tea ffs.

Boggles

GarIT wrote: »

People are scared of those headcoverings

Here is a bunch of other stupid shít people are scared of.

Chorophobia: Fear of dancing.
Geliophobia: Fear of laughter.
Heliphobia: Fear of sunlight.
Deipnophobia: Fear of dinner conversations.
Neophobia: Fear of new things.
Syngenesophobia: Fear of relatives.
Ablutophobia: Fear of washing and bathing.
Geniophobia: Fear of chins.

Fr Tod Umptious

AH and this form are such a cesspool of negativity.

How in the name of fcuk do any of us here know what the conditions are like for Syrian refugees in the UAE or anywhere else.

The way people are talking you would swear that she was living in the Burj Khalifa and decided to trade it for Mosney direct provision centre.

None of us know why her family came here for asylum or the background to it.

Well done to the girl in question I hope she gets on well in college and beyond.

Ronaldinho

On the face of it's a nice heartwarming story, especially considering the other stuff that made the front pages this week.

But maybe spare a thought for the 17 million odd people that didn't flee the country. It's all well and good resettling a tiny percentage of Syrians abroad, but pragmatically speaking it makes sfa difference in the scheme of things. Need much more effort and focus on trying to fix the instability there.

recedite

Donald Trump wrote: »

Perhaps Dubai don't give asylum status? If she was from Syria and couldn't go back there she is entitled to try to claim asylum somewhere. Maybe she couldn't claim in in UAE, and even though the father had a job there that status was only ever going to temporary and at the whim of the UAE

No, Dubai does not grant asylum status, nor do they hand out citizenship like confetti. That's how they manage to keep control of their own country and maintain their culture. They are not stupid.
They have a huge number of immigrant guest workers, including loads of hard working Syrians. But no foreign spongers.


Who says Syrians cant go back to Syria? The only problem is the traffic jam.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-47260450/the-syrians-returning-home-after-years-of-fleeing-war

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recedite wrote: »

No, Dubai does not grant asylum status, nor do they hand out citizenship like confetti. That's how they manage to keep control of their own country and maintain their culture. They are not stupid.
They have a huge number of immigrant guest workers, including loads of hard working Syrians. But no foreign spongers.

Yeah, it sounds like a great place for immigrant workers:


"But Dubai and the UAE have long been the subject of complaints of mistreatment of workers. Migrant workers say they often face brutal work conditions, shifts of 12 hours or more, and that companies withhold paychecks or workers' passports so as not to let them quit or return home. Most workers are brought over by recruiters or recruitment agencies, many of which promise exaggerated salaries or job descriptions that differ greatly from what the workers end up doing... While recent reports from Human Rights Watch and the United Nations acknowledged improvements, both said labor abuses continue. HRW said the reform laws still allowed employers to charge workers the recruitment fees that can put them in debt. Most of the workers come of their own accord, out of a serious need to make money because their home countries are impoverished. That makes it all the more tragic that the existing system seems set up to exploit them. The knowledge of how migrant workers have suffered to make Dubai's vast constructed reality — which is more or less set up to fulfill a person's every whim, if you have the money to pay for it — makes it hard to recommend it as a place to put your tourist dollars."


https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/commentary-migrant-labour-abuse-makes-dubai-a-questionable-tourist-destination

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recedite wrote: »

Who says Syrians cant go back to Syria? The only problem is the traffic jam.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-47260450/the-syrians-returning-home-after-years-of-fleeing-war

Any idea why there are an estimated one million Syrians still in refugee camps in Lebanon and an estimated 600,000 plus in Jordan? They would like to go back to their homes but can't face the traffic jams, you reckon?

Tacitus Kilgore

recedite wrote: »

No, Dubai does not grant asylum status, nor do they hand out citizenship like confetti. That's how they manage to keep control of their own country and maintain their culture. They are not stupid.
They have a huge number of immigrant guest workers, including loads of hard working Syrians. But no foreign spongers.

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I agree, we should model our society from that of UAE & Saudi Arabia. They have it figured out. Especially the womens rights stuff

recedite

1641 wrote: »

Yeah, it sounds like a great place for immigrant workers

If they don't like it, they don't have to stay.

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I agree, we should model our society from that of UAE & Saudi Arabia. They have it figured out. Especially the womens rights stuff

Am I detecting a bit of leftist xenophobia here?
Why can't you just respect that other countries can have their own culture?
Its called diversity.
I'm not saying we should copy their culture, or import it here. They feel much the same way about our culture, and why shouldn't they.

boring accountant

Lots of people from disadvantaged backgrounds get in on less points.

People I went to college with got an extra 90 points added to their score because of the school they went to. Some struggled and dropped out, others excelled. Some were Irish, some weren't.

Besides, it's not like there's any Irish people in RCSI anyway *joke*

recedite

1641 wrote: »

Any idea why there are an estimated one million Syrians still in refugee camps in Lebanon and an estimated 600,000 plus in Jordan? They would like to go back to their homes but can't face the traffic jams, you reckon?

There is a lot of hard work to be done rebuilding the country.
Not helped by the fact that instead of giving them some aid, we are still imposing sanctions on them. Sad but true.
Fair play to all those many Syrians who are going back anyway, and doing their best.
They need engineers and doctors.



https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/05/17/syria-eu-renews-sanctions-against-the-regime-by-one-year/

Wibbs

Leaving aside the all too obvious asylum seeker good news story aspect, I say fair play to her. As for her qualifications, if they were even slightly under suspicion it would come out and not look good at all. So yes, fair play to her.

That it appears her family had to leave the UAE is no shock to me. With the exception of Jordan and Turkey the other Arab states have either done nothing, or feck all about this crisis, or openly denied entry to genuine refugees fleeing Syria and essentially aimed them at the sucker that is the EU. Of course when they're here(or more likely larger numbers from Pakistan et al), totalitarian kips like Saudi Arabia are happy to send millions to support the building of mosques...

I've no issue with genuine Syrian refugee families getting a leg up, so long as it's done right, not dropping a load of them in some out of the way part of Ireland with feck all facilities without discussions with the local Irish people who actually live there. On the other hand those coming from places like Georgia, Pakistan, or sub Saharan Africa can bugger right off. Throw them out with prejudice. No keeping them in centres on our taxes. Fail to pass the refugee test, fcuk off out of it. Spend the money that would house them for their extended appeals in shipping them home.

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recedite wrote: »

Fair play to all those many Syrians who are going back anyway, and doing their best.

And you are reassured that it is safe ? :


"The study finds that conditions on the ground are worrying. Even among the self-selecting ‘voluntary’ returnees, hundreds of detentions and arrests have been reported—including of refugees from abroad, IDPs from armed opposition areas, and those who have undergone a ‘reconciliation’ in an area retaken by the government. Recent detainees report having experienced brutal torture while in custody; deaths in custody have also been recorded. The security sector is re-establishing pervasive (formal and informal) control.........

The study also finds that state guarantees to communities or individuals as part of reconciliation agreements are not being met. Additionally, instances have been recorded of individuals from all returnee categories being arrested, detained, conscripted, or harassed after completing the reconciliation process and receiving protection or security papers. Based on the evidence, no communities or individuals should expect the government of Syria or its benefactors to fulfil the terms of any such agreement. The process of securitized reconciliation and return is being undertaken even within ostensibly humanitarian venues, such as so-called IDP shelters within Syria. In Eastern Ghouta, thousands of people were offered shelter and aid within IDP shelters during the military campaign waged by Assad and Russia against the area. There, men were separated from women and children and the process of reconciliation and release began. Under the watch of the aid organizations that provided assistance to the shelters, men were detained and conscripted while the so-called reconciliation forms were completed. This process is currently being repeated in Homs, where evacuees from Rukban IDP camp are being detained, ill treated, and forced to undergo interrogation and reconciliation. Fears that similar processes could be used in the event of larger-scale returns from Lebanon are rising."
http://www.eip.org/en/news-events/refugee-return-syria-dangers-security-risks-and-information-scarcity


Sounds like there may be more obstacles to return than traffic jams.

Odhinn

Wibbs wrote: »

Leaving aside the all too obvious asylum seeker good news story aspect, I say fair play to her. As for her qualifications, if they were even slightly under suspicion it would come out and not look good at all. So yes, fair play to her.

That it appears her family had to leave the UAE is no shock to me. With the exception of Jordan and Turkey the other Arab states have either done nothing, or feck all about this crisis, or openly denied entry to genuine refugees fleeing Syria and essentially aimed them at the sucker that is the EU. Of course when they're here(or more likely larger numbers from Pakistan et al), totalitarian kips like Saudi Arabia are happy to send millions to support the building of mosques...

I've no issue with genuine Syrian refugee families getting a leg up, so long as it's done right, not dropping a load of them in some out of the way part of Ireland with feck all facilities without discussions with the local Irish people who actually live there. On the other hand those coming from places like Georgia, Pakistan, or sub Saharan Africa can bugger right off. Throw them out with prejudice. No keeping them in centres on our taxes. Fail to pass the refugee test, fcuk off out of it. Spend the money that would house them for their extended appeals in shipping them home.

You think that Shia, christian and those of the Ahmadi sect aren't persecuted in pakistan?


You might be a bit more specific re "sub saharan africa"

lozenges

I agree. I think that countries such as the UAE/Quatar etc which would be culturally a lot more similar to Syria then Europe have essentially refused to take in any refugees, which is shameful. They should be held accountable for it by the UN but that seems vanishingly unlikely unfortunately.

Nevertheless, granting asylum and taking in refugees is a humanitarian effort. We don't accept them on the basis of what's in it for us, which some posters here seem to get confused about on a regular basis. Economic migrants are a different story and obviously should be evaluated on their relevant skills and other factors such as criminal background.

Dumping refugees/asylum seekers as Wibbs said in tiny rural towns with a population of nil is also stupid. They don't all have to be placed in Dublin but why can't they be placed in mid size towns like Athlone where there are services, more chance of getting work and potentially a community for them to integrate into?

The medical staff in every rural hospital in the country is 30-50% Muslim (Pakistani/Sudani). Placing refugees in such areas means there would already be a pre-existing Muslim community for them to integrate into, halal shops, mosque or prayer facilities. I really don't understand why the government doesn't do this.

Anyway, congratulations again to this girl.

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recedite wrote: »

If they don't like it, they don't have to stay.

But very often they do have to stay, like it or not:


"The kafala system, a type of visa sponsorship system, is used in the UAE and contributes to the abuse against migrant workers. The kafala system effectively ties the migrants to their employer, as their visa status is dependent on job performance. The contractual agreements are extremely vague and offer little protections for the migrant workers, while simultaneously reducing their job security. Those who leave their employers without their consent before the end of a contact can face punishment such as fines, prison, and even deportation. This makes it incredibly difficult for workers to get out of abusive situations, including long work hours, unpaid salaries, violence, or sexual abuse....,
Any attempt at escaping or fleeing your employer in the UAE is punishable by law. Runaway workers have been imprisoned, deported, and face significant financial costs, including paying back their employers for the sponsorship fees without receiving salaries earned. Incurring these large costs can push the workers further into debt, leaving them indefinitely indebted to their abusive employers and unable to escape."


https://www.adhrb.org/2019/05/uae-migrant-and-domestic-workers-abuse/

Odhinn

lozenges wrote: »

I agree. I think that countries such as the UAE/Quatar etc which would be culturally a lot more similar to Syria t......................

They're monarchies that follow the wahabi sect of Islam and are deeply unfriendly to the shia sect, and the kurds, so no, not so similar at all.