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Syrian refugee student wins state scholarship

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    #92
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Nobody is giving out about her as an individual and her success. Congratulations etc etc.....
    its more about why this story has been selected for news through RTE and spread to the outlets across the nation.
    Why would that be?

    Why do they report the multitude of Lottery wins per month? Most of them anonymous?


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    #93
    dvdman1
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why wouldn't RTE report the news? :confused:

    They do "fluff" pieces like this all the time, I've never seen you have a problem with any of the other ones.

    When it coincides with the leader of FG making a hard hitting speech hosted by the Immigrant Council of Ireland..you gotta scratch your head and think who holds the media strings


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    #94
    1641
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    dvdman1 wrote: »
    When it coincides with the leader of FG making a hard hitting speech hosted by the Immigrant Council of Ireland..you gotta scratch your head and think who holds the media strings


    When any positive news story attached to an immigrant, however innocuous, triggers some posters to begrudgery and/or conspiracy theories, you really do have to scratch your head.


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    #95
    dvdman1
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    1641 wrote: »
    When any positive news story attached to an immigrant, however innocuous, triggers some posters to begrudgery and/or conspiracy theories, you really do have to scratch your head.

    The media is open to be scrutiny along with the political establishment, to draw connections between the 2 in such a small country is far from a conspiracy theory.
    RTÉ is a statutory body, run by a board appointed by the Government of Ireland... Leo and friends


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    #96
    topper75
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Just be happy for the girl and move on FFS.
    I'm not saying she should not have received it, but I will always defend the right of people to question if she is a deserving recipient. That questioning of the agenda of the story and the narrative being spun might rankle somewhat with middle class cosmopolitan sensibilities in the same way as the pronunciation of foreigner as fordiner. :D

    An award was granted. Publicly. Public resources were allocated. The justness of that is always open to question. The political motivation behind that is also open to question.

    And that is nothing got to do with a capacity to be happy for others.


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    #97
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Even though I wish her all the best it is slightly odd that the full story behind this scholarship hasn’t been told

    Where’s the transparency on this one?

    I was awarded a scholarship some years ago. Not a peep in the parish newsletter nor nothing. TBF, who cares? I can see why this person warranted a news item. It's interesting. If folks first reaction is to look for the conspiracy behind it, I'd suggest they've the problem.


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    #98
    ahnowbrowncow
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    Fair play to her but I'm quite indifferent to it, same with the thousands of other succesful students that I don't know.

    It's not begrudgery to question why this story is being pushed especially when parts of the story appear to be embellished to suit the media's agenda.

    And since when does being cynical make you a conspiracy theorist? Or is it just a lazy way to try discredit someone without having to rebuke their comments?


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    #99
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    ahnowbrowncow wrote: »
    Fair play to her but I'm quite indifferent to it, same with the thousands of other succesful students that I don't know.

    It's not begrudgery to question why this story is being pushed especially when parts of the story appear to be embellished to suit the media's agenda.

    And since when does being cynical make you a conspiracy theorist? Or is it just a lazy way to try discredit someone without having to rebuke their comments?

    That make's you a conspiracy theorist. The Trumpesque idea that the media is one unit acting towards the same goal.


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    #100
    Boggles
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    dvdman1 wrote: »
    When it coincides with the leader of FG making a hard hitting speech hosted by the Immigrant Council of Ireland..you gotta scratch your head and think who holds the media strings

    So you are saying Leo made RTE run the story?


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    #101
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 5,787 ✭✭✭Cordell


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Nobody is giving out about her as an individual and her success. Congratulations etc etc.....
    its more about why this story has been selected for news through RTE and spread to the outlets across the nation.
    Why would that be?

    Bigotry of low expectations.


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    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭1641


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    The media is open to be scrutiny along with the political establishment, to draw connections between the 2 in such a small country is far from a conspiracy theory.
    RTÉ is a statutory body, run by a board appointed by the Government of Ireland... Leo and friends


    Oh look! It is not just RTE. They have taken over them all. Yikes - Look:


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/syrian-teen-who-lived-direct-20826521
    https://www.thesun.ie/fabulous/4745126/syrian-refugee-scholarship-medicine-leaving-cert/

    https://www.thejournal.ie/suaad-alshleh-direct-provision-4881378-Nov2019/
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/syrian-medical-student-who-lived-in-direct-provision-hopes-to-inspire-others-962262.html
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/success-story-scholarship-to-study-medicine-for-refugee-suaad-17-38669368.html
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/syrian-refugee-student-wins-state-scholarship-1.4074645
    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/schools/491931/laois-syrian-former-refugee-wins-new-medical-scholarship.html
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/syrian-medical-student-who-lived-in-direct-provision-hopes-to-inform-and-inspire-others-962262.html
    https://www.irishpost.com/news/syrian-refugee-came-ireland-aged-14-wins-scholarship-study-medicine-royal-college-surgeons-173592
    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2019/11/06/syrian-medical-awarded-william-c-campbell-bursary/
    https://www.northernsound.ie/former-resident-monaghan-direct-provision-centre-thanks-community-support/


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    #103
    dvdman1
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    Boggles wrote: »
    So you are saying Leo made RTE run the story?

    Who appoints the RTE board of management?

    Do you think putin ever had a hand in any story run through RT - Russia Today? If i claimed this you wouldn't bad an eyelid


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    #104
    Boggles
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    topper75 wrote: »
    I'm not saying she should not have received it, but I will always defend the right of people to question if she is a deserving recipient. That questioning of the agenda of the story and the narrative being spun might rankle somewhat with middle class cosmopolitan sensibilities in the same way as the pronunciation of foreigner as fordiner. :D

    An award was granted. Publicly. Public resources were allocated. The justness of that is always open to question. The political motivation behind that is also open to question.

    And that is nothing got to do with a capacity to be happy for others.

    It's a decent story, but an absolute fluff piece. You are over thinking it.

    If it was some ginger kid from Kerry, would you be demanding proof it was deserving? No you wouldn't, you wouldn't be in here at all banging on about "public resources". :rolleyes:

    This story is driving the basket of individuals nuts because

    A. Young intelligent successful lady
    B. She is a fordiner.

    It is great to watch the usual crew tie themselves up over her.


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    #105
    dvdman1
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    1641 wrote: »
    Oh look! It is not just RTE. They have taken over them all. Yikes - Look:


    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/syrian-teen-who-lived-direct-20826521
    https://www.thesun.ie/fabulous/4745126/syrian-refugee-scholarship-medicine-leaving-cert/

    https://www.thejournal.ie/suaad-alshleh-direct-provision-4881378-Nov2019/
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/syrian-medical-student-who-lived-in-direct-provision-hopes-to-inspire-others-962262.html
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/success-story-scholarship-to-study-medicine-for-refugee-suaad-17-38669368.html
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/syrian-refugee-student-wins-state-scholarship-1.4074645
    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/schools/491931/laois-syrian-former-refugee-wins-new-medical-scholarship.html
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/syrian-medical-student-who-lived-in-direct-provision-hopes-to-inform-and-inspire-others-962262.html
    https://www.irishpost.com/news/syrian-refugee-came-ireland-aged-14-wins-scholarship-study-medicine-royal-college-surgeons-173592
    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2019/11/06/syrian-medical-awarded-william-c-campbell-bursary/
    https://www.northernsound.ie/former-resident-monaghan-direct-provision-centre-thanks-community-support/

    The stories do the rounds on private outlets thats not a suprise..the source is RTE


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    #106
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    topper75 wrote: »
    I'm not saying she should not have received it, but I will always defend the right of people to question if she is a deserving recipient. That questioning of the agenda of the story and the narrative being spun might rankle somewhat with middle class cosmopolitan sensibilities in the same way as the pronunciation of foreigner as fordiner. :D

    An award was granted. Publicly. Public resources were allocated. The justness of that is always open to question. The political motivation behind that is also open to question.

    And that is nothing got to do with a capacity to be happy for others.

    Of course people have the right to question things. The point is that they are not questioning it out of a sense of civic or fiscal responsibility and a desire to ensure that public funds are being allocated appropriately. They are questioning it purely because she is an immigrant.

    I'm not directing this at you, but to say that that is not the case is patently ridiculous. This "questioning" is related to her status as an immigrant, not the potential misappropriation of public funds.

    It's gas how many people are at pains to pretend that they are not talking about what they are clearly dying to talk about.

    (And I pronounce foreigner like fordener ;) )


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    #107
    Boggles
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    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Who appoints the RTE board of management?

    Do you think putin ever had a hand in any story run through RT - Russia Today? If i claimed this you wouldn't bad an eyelid

    I asked you a simple question and you responded with a question and some whataboutery.

    I'll ask again, are you saying Leo made RTE run the story?


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    #108
    whattahatta
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    Dj Stiggie wrote: »
    The thread title worried me, but I'm glad to see the positive post.

    As a brown man, I have always think Ireland is a welcoming and inclusive place :)


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    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭1641


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    The media is open to be scrutiny along with the political establishment, to draw connections between the 2 in such a small country is far from a conspiracy theory.
    RTÉ is a statutory body, run by a board appointed by the Government of Ireland... Leo and friends


    Well, I have seen other suggestions that RTE is run by "lefties", "Sinn Fein",
    "the homeless industry" and now it is Fine Gael. Maybe that suggests they are doing something right.

    Its funny how every sub-group jumps on the "mainstream media" when something is published which doesn't conform with their own particular agenda or worldview.


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    #110
    lozenges
    Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭lozenges


    The year I did my LC (many years ago!) there was a two page feature in the Irish Times on all the students in the country who got 600 points (I think there were about 6 or 7.)
    Was there a political agenda behind that too? They were all white Irish as I recall.
    This kind of stuff will always make the news from time to time. I seriously doubt that any of the begrudgers would have done well enough in their own leaving cert to be considered for something like this anyway, so their bile is inappropriate.


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    #111
    Faugheen
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    I love the way the same people saying they’re delighted for her because she’s a genuine case are the same ones who celebrate when plans for asylum seekers in whatever part of the country are shelved.

    If it was up to them she wouldn’t have even come here in the first place because ‘dur they might be fake’.


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    1641
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    lozenges wrote: »
    The year I did my LC (many years ago!) there was a two page feature in the Irish Times on all the students in the country who got 600 points (I think there were about 6 or 7.)
    Was there a political agenda behind that too?     They were all white Irish as I recall.
    This kind of stuff will always make the news from time to time. I seriously doubt that any of the begrudgers would have done well enough in their own leaving cert to be considered for something like this anyway, so their bile is inappropriate.


    That depends. Were there more women than men? Then it was "the feminist agenda". It wouldn't have been published otherwise!


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    #113
    dvdman1
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    Boggles wrote: »
    I asked you a simple question and you responded with a question and some whataboutery.

    I'll ask again, are you saying Leo made RTE run the story?

    Not an individual but a political party such as FG has in my opinion ran stories and definitely have worked this story into the headlines to coincide with a major speach at the immigration council of Ireland.

    Now you answer mine..who appoints the RTE Board?


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    #114
    Billy Mays
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    1641 wrote: »
    Well, I have seen other suggestions that RTE is run by "lefties", "Sinn Fein",
    "the homeless industry" and now it is Fine Gael.     Maybe that suggests they are doing something right.

    Its funny how every sub-group jumps on the "mainstream media" when something is published which doesn't conform with their own particular agenda or worldview.
    Sure you have some people on here who claim Fine Gael are far left eek.png


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    #115
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Do you think putin ever had a hand in any story run through RT - Russia Today? If i claimed this you wouldn't bad an eyelid

    Waffle.

    RTÉ does run stories that criticise the government, because the government does not exert control over what RTÉ does and does not publish. Look at Cervicalcheck. If that had happened in Russia it would have been suppressed. Russian media does not criticise Putin for reasons that do not need elaboration.

    The fact you'd compare the two is astonishing. You've no idea how lucky you are to live in a country where the press is free to criticise the State.


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    #116
    Palmach
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    1641 wrote: »
    Third level education is funded by the taxpayer. So presumably you will insist that everyone attending has their qualifications published so that you can satisfactorily verify their eligibility.


    Ditto third level grants.


    Social Welfare is payed for by the taxpayer. You will of course want everyone's circumstances published so that you can verify that they qualify.


    Ditto medical cards.


    Add to the list as you like. But if this bursary was won by a white Irish national (as no doubt it will in the future) there will be no such call.

    This is not about race. It is about the holes in this story and the way in which it comes highly promoted at a time when there is tension about refugees. The welfare rates you refer to above are public knowledge.


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    #117
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭1641


    wiggle16 wrote: »
    Waffle.

    RTÉ does run stories that criticise the government, because the government does not exert control over what RTÉ does and does not publish. Look at Cervicalcheck. If that had happened in Russia it would have been suppressed. Russian media does not criticise Putin for reasons that do not need elaboration.

    The fact you'd compare the two is astonishing. You've no idea how lucky you are to live in a country where the press is free to criticise the State.


    It is laughable, pretty disgusting but, unfortunately in the age of conspiracy theories, not astonishing.


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    #118
    dvdman1
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    wiggle16 wrote: »
    Waffle.

    RTÉ does run stories that criticise the government, because the government does not exert control over what RTÉ does and does not publish. Look at Cervicalcheck. If that had happened in Russia it would have been suppressed. Russian media does not criticise Putin for reasons that do not need elaboration.

    The fact you'd compare the two is astonishing. You've no idea how lucky you are to live in a country where the press is free to criticise the State.

    Who appointed the RTE board, the government of Ireland did, thats an indisputable FACT.....
    If board members make private assurances to politicians theres absolutely no freedom no matter how its dressed up.


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    #119
    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭1641


    Palmach wrote: »
    This is not about race. It is about the holes in this story and the way in which it comes highly promoted at a time when there is tension about refugees. The welfare rates you refer to above are public knowledge.


    But it is not about welfare rates. If we follow the line of questioning by some on this thread, Why are the circumstances of all receiving welfare not made public, as the payments are coming from "the public purse"? We want to know how they qualify don't we - just to be sure, like?


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    1641
    Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭1641


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Who appointed the RTE board, the government of Ireland did, thats an indisputable FACT.....
    If board members make private assurances to politicians theres absolutely no freedom no matter how its dressed up.


    Genuine question here. How do you disprove a conspiracy theory?


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    #121
    dvdman1
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    1641 wrote: »
    Genuine question here. How do you disprove a conspiracy theory?

    How can a fact be a conspiracy theory?


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