Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

PostWoke · 21-10-2019 11:07pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Lol, so I did!
Nope, doesn't sound like me at all.
Not in the slightest

"It can't be me that's wrong!!"

alastair wrote: »

Failed asylum seekers Who have exhausted the appeals process are deported. But you realise that enforcement of a deportation order is expensive and generally unnecessary? The vast majority leave on their own, supported by the State.

How to even begin to unravel this gem of a post! Let's see...

1)... and how long until they've 'exhausted' the appeals process? How many nights under a roof that could have gone to an Irish person while they are taking the ****ing piss, which they're obviously doing if they're not being granted asylum? They clearly are in it for themselves, and don't care about conditions in the country or others in the country, correct?

2) You say the enforcement is expensive, then say they leave 'on their own', then you say the State pays... er... what? Did your brain reboot three times trying to make a point?

Boggles wrote: »

Anyway it doesn't really matter, there was huge opposition to a DP in Lisdoonvarna, the place is now thriving better than before.

Gonna need citations and elaboration on this one chief.

Boggles wrote: »

That's absolute bollix.

Sounds like something plucked from a BNP talking point.

YOU ARE LITERALLY HITLER FOR SAYING THISSSSSSS, the post. DP residents literally don't contribute, what are you on about.

PhiloCypher wrote: »

The people accusing people of Virtue signalling are usually guilty of the same. They are just signalling and trying to garner likes from a different crowd by singling someone out and saying lol look at this square with his woke notions, I'm so much cooler then him.

I like your tactic. Say something silly, ignore anyone quoting it and pointing out that it's silly, then pop back up a few pages later with more baseless claims and pretend nothing happened.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 11:16pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Shouldn't a good Christian like yourself be all in favour of helping people make a better life for themselves?

You think coming to live in DP in Ballinamore is the best that we can do for these people?
What’s being a good Christian got to do with it by the way? If you were even an average human being then you’d know it’s not.
Are you an even average humanitarian Monk?

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 11:18pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

I asked you a question about 5 pages back. Can you answer it please.

I didn’t see it. Can you ask me again?

alastair · 22-10-2019 1:51am

Gatling wrote: »

Can you back up this claim at all .

We know 1800 were deported in 10 odd years which left another 7400 + not deported despite deportation orders being issued ..

Some proof ?

They’re not here. As you already know.

Woodsie1 · 22-10-2019 2:12am

alastair wrote: »

They’re not here. As you already know.

So no proof...just your assumption.
Same sh1t different day.

alastair · 22-10-2019 2:13am

PostWoke wrote: »

How to even begin to unravel this gem of a post! Let's see...

1)... and how long until they've 'exhausted' the appeals process? How many nights under a roof that could have gone to an Irish person while they are taking the ****ing piss, which they're obviously doing if they're not being granted asylum? They clearly are in it for themselves, and don't care about conditions in the country or others in the country, correct?

2) You say the enforcement is expensive, then say they leave 'on their own', then you say the State pays... er... what? Did your brain reboot three times trying to make a point?

I can see you need it in simple digestible chunks.

1. Currently the appeals process takes about six months to judgement. About half of those who appeal, and who are not successful, seek judicial review, which takes longer. You’ve no idea if a claimant is taking the piss or not. Plenty of claims are legitimate, but don’t meet the criteria in the final analysis - just like legitimate prosecutions don’t attain a guilty verdict. All asylum claimants, including those who are successful, are ‘in it for themselves’ - the point of the process is protection.

2. Enforced deportation costs way more than non-enforced deportation. Legal and court fees, Gardai time, Gardai flights and accommodation abroad. Not too sure why this point should be difficult to grasp. And yes - those who leave without enforcement, leave on their own. Unaccompanied. Travel paid for by the State.

alastair · 22-10-2019 2:15am

Woodsie1 wrote: »

So no proof...just your assumption.
Same sh1t different day.

The absence is the proof. To that extent, sure - same **** (they’re no longer here), different day. Any evidence of deported asylum seekers remaining in the country?

Woodsie1 · 22-10-2019 2:18am

alastair wrote: »

I can see you need it in simple digestible chunks.
.

Nice sly insult
Designed to fly just below the charter.

Woodsie1 · 22-10-2019 2:19am

alastair wrote: »

The absence is the proof. To that extent, sure - same **** (they’re no longer here), different day. Any evidence of deported asylum seekers remaining in the country?

You made the claim...prove it

alastair · 22-10-2019 2:20am

Woodsie1 wrote: »

You made the claim...prove it

I have proved it. There’s no evidence of any deported asylum seekers not leaving the country. None.

Woodsie1 · 22-10-2019 2:22am

alastair wrote: »

I have proved it. There’s no evidence of any deported asylum seekers not leaving the country. None.

You haven't proved they left

Annasopra · 22-10-2019 6:36am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Instead of these “one off” centres around da country which seem to be absolutely detested by the locals why not extend mosney put proper security around it and then have that as the national asylum seeker holding centre.

Like a big huge prison. Wonderfully humane idea.

Annasopra · 22-10-2019 6:40am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Not saying they are

But if there was one centralized facility rather than them dotted every second townland in da country, it’d be better for the asylum seekers

Thats a ridiculously stupid suggestion
1 It sounds like a big prison
2 It ghettoises them
3 It stigmatises them saying there is somethinh wrong with them
3 It separates them.from the entire country and never gives them them the chance to interact with with or integrate with other people in the country

Nah. Its worse. Way worse.

Working class heroes · 22-10-2019 7:27am

splinter65 wrote: »

I didn’t see it. Can you ask me again?

Sure, you stated a figure of 1-2% regarding the integration of AS into a community. Just wondering where you got this figure from.

splinter65 · 22-10-2019 7:48am

Working class heroes wrote: »

Sure, you stated a figure of 1-2% regarding the integration of AS into a community. Just wondering where you got this figure from.

I read it in one of the Irish independent articles. Filling these apartments in Ballinamore with asylum seekers would put the mix at 15% when the recommended percentage is no more then 2%.

Geuze · 22-10-2019 7:54am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Instead of these “one off” centres around da country which seem to be absolutely detested by the locals why not extend mosney put proper security around it and then have that as the national asylum seeker holding centre.

"Security"???

AS are free to leave the country at any stage.

They are free to leave DP at any stage.

Ballso · 22-10-2019 7:58am

Geuze wrote: »

"Security"???

AS are free to leave the country at any stage.

They are free to leave DP at any stage.

Not really a 'prison' then

Beechwoodspark · 22-10-2019 8:04am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Like a big huge prison. Wonderfully humane idea.

Not like a prison. I said have education healthcare integration classes all the good stuff but on the other side have fast track deportations for bogus claimers.

Working class heroes · 22-10-2019 8:10am

splinter65 wrote: »

I read it in one of the Irish independent articles. Filling these apartments in Ballinamore with asylum seekers would put the mix at 15% when the recommended percentage is no more then 2%.

Can you link it please. A claim like that needs to be verified. Don’t want anyone accusing you of talking BS now do you?

Gatling · 22-10-2019 8:19am

alastair wrote: »

There’s no evidence

^ this is fact ^

Your claim is utter nonsense you actually made up

Gatling · 22-10-2019 8:24am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Not like a prison. I said have education healthcare integration classes all the good stuff but on the other side have fast track deportations for bogus claimers.

A proper asylum center this is the way to go ,

mvl · 22-10-2019 8:28am

Geuze wrote: »

AS are free to leave the country at any stage.

They are free to leave DP at any stage.

actually, would want to know how free AS really are to travel abroad; there have been claims on the continent that some of the Eritreans/Syrians are going back home on holiday (being implied this travel is on the welfare money) - so proposal was to get their asylum status revoked - https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/08/germany-refugees-who-return-home-on-holiday-will-have-asylum-status-revoked/
question is: what does/should Ireland do about this ?

Boggles · 22-10-2019 8:41am

mvl wrote: »

actually, would want to know how free AS really are to travel abroad; there have been claims on the continent that some of the Eritreans/Syrians are going back home on holiday (being implied this travel is on the welfare money) - so proposal was to get their asylum status revoked - https://voiceofeurope.com/2019/08/germany-refugees-who-return-home-on-holiday-will-have-asylum-status-revoked/
question is: what does/should Ireland do about this ?

Syrians vacationing back in Syria?

Sounds legit.

Also voiceofeurope.com? Do yourself a favor FFS.

Boggles · 22-10-2019 8:44am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

An extended mosney with proper facilities like schools health care integration etc

and security along with a fast track process to weed out bogus claims and a fast track back to the airport for deportation flights seems to be the best option.

Would you recommend a similar facility for people in emergency accommodation?

They get released when a suitable home is sourced?

Beechwoodspark · 22-10-2019 9:31am

Boggles wrote: »

Would you recommend a similar facility for people in emergency accommodation?

They get released when a suitable home is sourced?

I mean proper security for the centre but especially the deportees. Not the asylum seekers while they are going thru the process. Then a decision is made. Either grant. Or deportation order then actually deport them. This last part doesn’t seem to happen all that often for some reason in Ireland. That needs to change for us all to have a bit of faith and hope in the system.

Boggles · 22-10-2019 9:35am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I mean proper security for the centre but especially the deportees. Not the asylum seekers while they are going thru the process. Then a decision is made. Either grant. Or deportation order then actually deport them. This last part doesn’t seem to happen all that often for some reason in Ireland. That needs to change for us all to have a bit of faith and hope in the system.

That's not what I asked, here is the question again.

Boggles wrote: »

Would you recommend a similar facility for people in emergency accommodation?

They get released when a suitable home is sourced?

Beechwoodspark · 22-10-2019 9:39am

Boggles wrote: »

That's not what I asked, here is the question again.

That’s a completely different situation.

Next you will be asking me what about tourists who can’t get hotels or something

So I won’t bother answering it.

alastair · 22-10-2019 9:42am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I mean proper security for the centre but especially the deportees. Not the asylum seekers while they are going thru the process. Then a decision is made. Either grant. Or deportation order then actually deport them. This last part doesn’t seem to happen all that often for some reason in Ireland. That needs to change for us all to have a bit of faith and hope in the system.

All asylum seekers with deportation orders leave the country - the only exception being those who receive a ministerial order of protection - very rare. The vast majority leave the country without a need for enforcement, the notion that the only deportees are those who’s order requires enforcement is bizarre, to say the least.

Boggles · 22-10-2019 9:43am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That’s a completely different situation.

So I won’t bother answering it. Stay on topic !

It's the same situation more or less.

The main problem is lack of accommodation and services, you have "cured" that with your super center capable of housing, educating and tending to 6000 odd people.

Surely if you have such confidence in the idea it would be a valid alternative for people in emergency accommodation?

If not, why not?

You don't have to have one super center, you could have a half dozen in the various pressure zones.

Beechwoodspark · 22-10-2019 9:45am

alastair wrote: »

All asylum seekers with deportation orders leave the country - the only exception being those who receive a ministerial order of protection - very rare. The vast majority leave the country without a need for enforcement, the notion that the only deportees are those who’s order requires enforcement is bizarre, to say the least.

Any proof/stats?

Geneuinly interested In it and you seem very confident in your assertions

Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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