Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

alastair

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I strongly believe there should be one centralized location - I suggest an extended mosney- for them. While they await asylum processing have the schools the health care the integration classes etc all on campus.

But also have proper security and actually enforce deportations for bogus claims. Get them fast tracked. Then ppl would actually have a bit of faith and trust in the system.

Failed asylum seekers Who have exhausted the appeals process are deported. But you realise that enforcement of a deportation order is expensive and generally unnecessary? The vast majority leave on their own, supported by the State.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Someome is wrong either the paper or you .

Choices choices


Application conditions
Family relationships
Only some types of family relationship are permitted when joining a family member in Ireland. This includes to join your:

Spouse or civil partner
Long term, de facto partner


*Other family member*




http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/visa-long-family-irish

That link is nothing to do with family reunification for refugees.

https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/information-and-referral-service/family-reunification

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Family_Reunification_Information_Leaflet

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

And how is dumping asylum seeking migrants going to help considering they should face deportation if they fail in there applications considering the majority who apply are denied

Who is to say they will be all asylum seekers?

Anyway it doesn't really matter, there was huge opposition to a DP in Lisdoonvarna, the place is now thriving better than before.

If you constantly only see the perceived negatives of something that's all you will ever see.

splinter65

Boggles wrote: »

What is sad is Leitrim in particular is suffering from depopulation, villages and towns have been crying out for people and families to move there for years in order to keep services and schools open.

This place is about to get handed 20 odd families and the first thing they do is protest. It's not a DP center, it's 25 self catering apartments.

Someone needs to explain to them that the services are not coming back unless it viable for the people who provide the services and that will only happen one way.

This dreadful Nigerian woman with all her lies about the situation and the people of Ballinamore and her blatant racism should be made an example of boggles shouldn’t she?

A town of this size cannot cope' - asylum seeker backs residents’ protest in Ballinamore
Paul Williams • 24 minutes ago

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A NIGERIAN mother-of-three who first came to Ballinamore as an asylum seeker has given her “wholehearted support” to the protest against a refugee centre.

Adeola Talabi, her husband and two young sons first arrived to the Co Leitrim town in 2006.

“I and my family are very much part of this town and we stayed here because the people of Ballinamore are very welcoming, accommodating and very, very supportive.

“I have never encountered any type of racism or xenophobia, they are beautiful people,” Ms Talabi told Independent.ie.

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Adeola Talabi, who first came to Ballinamore as an asylum seeker, and journalist Paul Williams.
Now the town is at the centre of controversy amid local concerns an apartment block will become a “glorified prison” for 130 asylum seekers.

Ms Talabi said she has joined the protest committee because such a large group of people are going to be housed in the town, which has a population of around 900, without proper infrastructure in place.

“The local people are entitled to know what extra provision has been made by the Government for example, to educate the children and care for their health needs,” Ms Talabi said.

“Has provision been made to help teach English to these poor people if they are from a country like Syria so that they can communicate, and what services will be there if there are traumatised children and adults in the group who require counselling services?

“This is a huge number of people for a small place like Ballinamore.

“When we came here first to the direct provision centre there were 48 of us and it was still difficult for us even though the people were welcoming – how can they cope with 130 people, and how will those people cope?”

Organisers of the protest said the decision to place the picket on the apartments was taken after a community ”crisis” meeting in the town on Sunday night which was attended by more than 450 local people.

A statement issued expressed “grave concern and complete opposition” to the plan because it is “completely disproportionate to the needs of both the asylum seekers and the community at large”.

The local community accused the Government of treating the refugees and asylum seekers as a “commodity” as part of a “failed” policy which only favours “the maximum bang for the buck for developers and investors”.

Read more: 'These unfortunate people are being treated as a commodity' - Ballinamore group begins peaceful protest over asylum accommodation plan
A spokesperson for the Community Council – a strictly non-political organisation – called on the Department of Justice to immediately halt the re-housing programme and “listen to the people of Ireland” to re-evaluate its policies.

Local businessman Adrian Smith meanwhile told Independent,ie the protest campaign will not be hi-jacked by racists.

“Any accusations that this protest is motivated by racism or xenophobia is completely untrue and probably being pushed by certain groups just to demonise the people of this town,” he said.

“It is entirely disproportionate to expect us to absorb a sudden increase of 15pc in the local town’s population and we are particularly concerned at the effect this will have on these unfortunate people who have fled famine, war a persecution and also our own community.”

The Department of Justice is planning to open two new accommodation centres in Ballinamore and in Borrisokane, Co Tipperary and said meetings will be held with locals, councillors and TDs to address concerns.

Boggles

splinter65 wrote: »

What’s not a good idea boggles is to dump a big crowd of people who cannot contribute in any way at all

That's absolute bollix.

Sounds like something plucked from a BNP talking point.

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

Who is to say they will be all asylum seekers?

So is it social housing for Irish people or is it self catering for economic migrants /asylum seekers

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

So is it social housing for Irish people or is it self catering for economic migrants /asylum seekers

Or refugees.

Irish people have no interest in the village, the apartments were idle for 10+ years.

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

Or refugees.

Irish people have no interest in the village, the apartments were idle for 10+ years.

So it's not social housing for Irish people so that leaves economic migrants and asylum seekers .


Refugees would be housed by their local authorities not department of justice /immigration

Eric Cartman

Boggles wrote: »

Or refugees.

Irish people have no interest in the village, the apartments were idle for 10+ years.

Irish people have no interest in the village because its devoid of services and jobs. If there was work and services you can bet a load of people would be down to scoop up a cheap gaf and live a cut priced life.

throwing asylum seekers into those conditions helps nobody.

PhiloCypher

bubblypop wrote: »

Lol, so I did!
Nope, doesn't sound like me at all.
Not in the slightest

The people accusing people of Virtue signalling are usually guilty of the same. They are just signalling and trying to garner likes from a different crowd by singling someone out and saying lol look at this square with his woke notions, I'm so much cooler then him.

splinter65

Boggles wrote: »

That's absolute bollix.

Sounds like something plucked from a BNP talking point.

What contribution can they make Boggles? Tell us all about the contribution traumatised penniless non English speaking involuntary immigrants in, need of services that they’re not going to get, are going to make to Ballinamore.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

This dreadful Nigerian woman with all her lies about the situation and the people of Ballinamore and her blatant racism should be made an example of boggles shouldn’t she?

A town of this size cannot cope' - asylum seeker backs residents’ protest in Ballinamore
Paul Williams • 24 minutes ago

Can't load image 2
A NIGERIAN mother-of-three who first came to Ballinamore as an asylum seeker has given her “wholehearted support” to the protest against a refugee centre.

Adeola Talabi, her husband and two young sons first arrived to the Co Leitrim town in 2006.

“I and my family are very much part of this town and we stayed here because the people of Ballinamore are very welcoming, accommodating and very, very supportive.

“I have never encountered any type of racism or xenophobia, they are beautiful people,” Ms Talabi told Independent.ie.

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Adeola Talabi, who first came to Ballinamore as an asylum seeker, and journalist Paul Williams.
Now the town is at the centre of controversy amid local concerns an apartment block will become a “glorified prison” for 130 asylum seekers.

Ms Talabi said she has joined the protest committee because such a large group of people are going to be housed in the town, which has a population of around 900, without proper infrastructure in place.

“The local people are entitled to know what extra provision has been made by the Government for example, to educate the children and care for their health needs,” Ms Talabi said.

“Has provision been made to help teach English to these poor people if they are from a country like Syria so that they can communicate, and what services will be there if there are traumatised children and adults in the group who require counselling services?

“This is a huge number of people for a small place like Ballinamore.

“When we came here first to the direct provision centre there were 48 of us and it was still difficult for us even though the people were welcoming – how can they cope with 130 people, and how will those people cope?”

Organisers of the protest said the decision to place the picket on the apartments was taken after a community ”crisis” meeting in the town on Sunday night which was attended by more than 450 local people.

A statement issued expressed “grave concern and complete opposition” to the plan because it is “completely disproportionate to the needs of both the asylum seekers and the community at large”.

The local community accused the Government of treating the refugees and asylum seekers as a “commodity” as part of a “failed” policy which only favours “the maximum bang for the buck for developers and investors”.

Read more: 'These unfortunate people are being treated as a commodity' - Ballinamore group begins peaceful protest over asylum accommodation plan
A spokesperson for the Community Council – a strictly non-political organisation – called on the Department of Justice to immediately halt the re-housing programme and “listen to the people of Ireland” to re-evaluate its policies.

Local businessman Adrian Smith meanwhile told Independent,ie the protest campaign will not be hi-jacked by racists.

“Any accusations that this protest is motivated by racism or xenophobia is completely untrue and probably being pushed by certain groups just to demonise the people of this town,” he said.

“It is entirely disproportionate to expect us to absorb a sudden increase of 15pc in the local town’s population and we are particularly concerned at the effect this will have on these unfortunate people who have fled famine, war a persecution and also our own community.”

The Department of Justice is planning to open two new accommodation centres in Ballinamore and in Borrisokane, Co Tipperary and said meetings will be held with locals, councillors and TDs to address concerns.

so, lady who availed of asylum system in Ballinamore tries to stop others from doing the same.
like I said, the town hosted AS previously , some stayed & there were no issues.

Its a good place as any to live, as shown by the woman above, so why wouldn't it be good enough for other asylum seekers?

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

Refugees would be housed by their local authorities not department of justice /immigration

Not necessarily, they will be people arriving here who have all ready gained refugee status and would not have a local authority.

My guess is given that these are self catering apartments, they will probably be mainly Syrian refugees.

Boggles

splinter65 wrote: »

What contribution can they make Boggles? Tell us all about the contribution traumatised penniless non English speaking involuntary immigrants in, need of services that they’re not going to get, are going to make to Ballinamore.

Same ones they have made to the likes Lisdoonvarna I imagine.

There is nothing to be afraid of lad, you were basically one them once yourself I understand?

Fr. Pat Noise

There should be moratorium on accepting refugees until deserving people like this are housed.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/last-christmas-we-were-in-nine-bbs-this-isnt-the-life-i-expected-for-my-kids-homeless-mum-of-two-38614289.html

Beechwoodspark

alastair wrote: »

Failed asylum seekers Who have exhausted the appeals process are deported. But you realise that enforcement of a deportation order is expensive and generally unnecessary? The vast majority leave on their own, supported by the State.

We need to fast track the appeals process so that time is drastically cut down on. There’s a huge gravy train industry following this asylum process. Make it sharp and snappy. Find the genuine cases and grant, deport the bogus chancers back without delay.

Gatling

Fr. Pat Noise wrote: »

There should be moratorium on accepting refugees until deserving people like this are housed.

Eh no

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

Failed asylum seekers Who have exhausted the appeals process are deported. But you realise that enforcement of a deportation order is expensive and generally unnecessary? The vast majority leave on their own, supported by the State.

Can you back up this claim at all .

We know 1800 were deported in 10 odd years which left another 7400 + not deported despite deportation orders being issued ..


Some proof ?

splinter65

Boggles wrote: »

Same ones they have made to the likes Lisdoonvarna I imagine.

There is nothing to be afraid of lad, you were basically one them once yourself I understand?

Do you think so boggles?

Fr. Pat Noise

Gatling wrote: »

Eh no

Not enough free houses to go around so we should be handing them out to our own hard cases first.

Gatling

Fr. Pat Noise wrote: »

Not enough free houses

Run along there ted

Fr. Pat Noise

Gatling wrote: »

Run along there ted

Whose ted?

Still waters

Boggles wrote: »

Anyway it doesn't really matter, there was huge opposition to a DP in Lisdoonvarna, the place is now thriving better than before.

In what way is it thriving if you don't mind me asking to explain your point

Dr. Bre

Fr. Pat Noise wrote: »

Whose ted?

Father Ted?

Thelonious Monk

splinter65 wrote: »

Do you think so boggles?

Shouldn't a good Christian like yourself be all in favour of helping people make a better life for themselves?

Fr. Pat Noise

Just to prove my point even ex economic refugees are against it! You couldn’t make it up

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/a-town-of-this-size-cannot-cope-asylum-seeker-backs-residents-protest-in-ballinamore-38616825.html

Fr. Pat Noise

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Father Ted?

What has he got to do with this?

weldoninhio

splinter65 wrote: »

So it’s fine to let them live in deprived conditions?
They didn’t come here to learn about our culture ffs.
They’re not bloody au pairs or gap year students!
They came here to get away from where they were!

Georgia and Albania???

Working class heroes

splinter65 wrote: »

Do you think so boggles?

I asked you a question about 5 pages back. Can you answer it please.

Geuze

splinter65 wrote: »

So it’s fine to let them live in deprived conditions?
They didn’t come here to learn about our culture ffs.
They’re not bloody au pairs or gap year students!
They came here to get away from where they were!

Half of AS come from the UK.

Fleeing persecution, my eye.