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Update - Lawn ruined by cattle

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    #62
    topmanamillion
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    Thanks for the update OP. An interesting case and a lesson in how to deal with issues.


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    #63
    endainoz
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    Ginger83 wrote: »
    No we'd prefer a suitable qualified and insured person to repair it.

    I admire your confidence in getting this money one way or another, hopefully it will work out for you. I'd be wary of delaying tactics all the same. Is the place properly fenced off now at least?


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    #64
    bcklschaps
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    Quote: maidhc

    In this country if you don't want to pay you don't really have to.


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    I don't know what country you're in but it don't work like that in Ireland thanks be to God.


    KBC bank might aggree with "maidhc".

    Just pray this recalcitrant farmer doesn't have any friends in the IRA or the Freemen movement. If he does, could be interesting when Sherrif shows up at his gate


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    #65
    whelan2
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    Ginger83 wrote: »
    I don't understand

    How long before you will get any money. Is it worth all the stress and no money?


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    #66
    Ginger83
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    topmanamillion wrote: »
    Thanks for the update OP. An interesting case and a lesson in how to deal with issues.

    Yes we are trying to send a clear message to the land owner but the ironic thing is the land is still not fenced off very well.

    It will be an even dearer mistake if it happens again because next time we are having the lawns fully relaid.


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    #67
    Ginger83
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    endainoz wrote: »
    I admire your confidence in getting this money one way or another, hopefully it will work out for you. I'd be wary of delaying tactics all the same. Is the place properly fenced off now at least?

    No :)


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    #68
    Ginger83
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    How long before you will get any money. Is it worth all the stress and no money?

    Its 4 months to date.

    I will pursue him to bankruptcy if i have to.


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    #69
    patsy_mccabe
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    OP, would you not be worried about this individual getting their own back on you?
    The law may be on your side but I think sometimes you are just better to let things go.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #70
    Ginger83
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    OP, would you not be worried about this individual getting their own back on you?
    The law may be on your side but I think sometimes you are just better to let things go.

    Not a bit


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    #71
    KCross
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    OP, would you not be worried about this individual getting their own back on you?
    The law may be on your side but I think sometimes you are just better to let things go.

    Are you the farmer? :pac:


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    #72
    [Deleted User]
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    OP, would you not be worried about this individual getting their own back on you?
    The law may be on your side but I think sometimes you are just better to let things go.




    What's he going to do? Destroy the lawn again? :p


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    #73
    Ginger83
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    KCross wrote: »
    Are you the farmer? :pac:

    :D


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    #74
    patsy_mccabe
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    Well I know of a case where a girl put in a claim against this guy who accidentally damaged her teeth in a minor car incident. Her boyfriend was approached in a pub one night by a local heavy, a relative of the driver. He threathened the boyfriend who then went a made a statement to the guards. Turns out the heavy has a list of assaults to his name. I know one guy who had his jaw broken and his teeth knocked out by him.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #75
    patsy_mccabe
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    KCross wrote: »
    Are you the farmer? :pac:

    Yes, why?

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #76
    Rows Grower
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Well I know of a case where a girl put in a claim against this guy who accidentally damaged her teeth in a minor car incident. Her boyfriend was approached in a pub one night by a local heavy, a relative of the driver. He threathened the boyfriend who then went a made a statement to the guards. Turns out the heavy has a list of assaults to his name. I know one guy who had his jaw broken and his teeth knocked out by him.

    And what was the outcome of that?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #77
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Well I know of a case where a girl put in a claim against this guy who accidentally damaged her teeth in a minor car incident. Her boyfriend was approached in a pub one night by a local heavy, a relative of the driver. He threathened the boyfriend who then went a made a statement to the guards. Turns out the heavy has a list of assaults to his name. I know one guy who had his jaw broken and his teeth knocked out by him.

    If everyone lived in fear no debts would ever be paid.


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    #78
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Her boyfriend was approached in a pub one night by a local heavy,... I know one guy who had his jaw broken and his teeth knocked out by him.


    I know loads of rough people and plenty of thugs, and none would get involved in anything like that, over an insurance claim. :rolleyes:

    These people will get violent, but only when it's needed and not when the person is above board and can go to the law. They don't try to bring a load of attention to themselves.


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    #79
    Jb1989
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Well I know of a case where a girl put in a claim against this guy who accidentally damaged her teeth in a minor car incident. Her boyfriend was approached in a pub one night by a local heavy, a relative of the driver. He threathened the boyfriend who then went a made a statement to the guards. Turns out the heavy has a list of assaults to his name. I know one guy who had his jaw broken and his teeth knocked out by him.

    But did the heavy attack the boyfriend after the statement?


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    #80
    endainoz
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    Ginger83 wrote: »
    No :)

    Ffs, any bit of sympathy/understanding I had for the farmer is gone now. He could at least have sorted the fence out to make an effort so it doesn't happen again.


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    #81
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know loads of rough people and plenty of thugs, and none would get involved in anything like that, over an insurance claim. :rolleyes:

    These people will get violent, but only when it's needed and not when the person is above board and can go to the law. They don't try to bring a load of attention to themselves.

    I've had offers off people to sort it other ways but i'm not like that


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    #82
    bladespin
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    And what was the outcome of that?
    Jb1989 wrote: »
    But did the heavy attack the boyfriend after the statement?

    I'd love to know, especially after making a documented threat, that'd be just special really.

    The heavy brigade days are long gone, especially in an age of mobile recording etc etc. you just can't throw your weight around like the old days. lol


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    #83
    Ginger83
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    endainoz wrote: »
    Ffs, any bit of sympathy/understanding I had for the farmer is gone now. He could at least have sorted the fence out to make an effort so it doesn't happen again.

    White sticks and tape. 12 sheep in it now


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    #84
    Odelay
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    Ginger83 wrote: »
    White sticks and tape. 12 sheep in it now

    Looks like the sheep will soon be in to trim the grass for you.


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    #85
    nutjobb
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    Well done for persevering.

    Now when/where do these auctions take place?


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    #86
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Odelay wrote: »
    Looks like the sheep will soon be in to trim the grass for you.

    Will that not keep them out


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    #87
    davidk1394
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    Ginger83 wrote: »
    I've had offers off people to sort it other ways but i'm not like that

    Don't stoop to their level. Had the same problem here with a more serious incident, it wasn't about the money in my eyes. It was about standing my ground and doing what was right. The compensation was only small but like yourself i wasn't letting it go. This fella owed money to everyone but I wasn't going to be one of them. I hope you get what your owed.


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    #88
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    We did this on our side

    pic 3 cattle.jpg


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    #89
    patsy_mccabe
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    And what was the outcome of that?

    The guards went and had a word with him.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    patsy_mccabe
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    Jb1989 wrote: »
    But did the heavy attack the boyfriend after the statement?

    No, just threathened him. Some nasty individuals out there.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #91
    forgottenhills
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    Ginger83 wrote: »
    We did this on our side

    pic 3 cattle.jpg

    That fence will keep out the sheep and in combination with the hedge it should be fool proof against cattle.

    Is there a drainage ditch (also known as a sheugh in some parts of the country) between the fence and the hedge? It's hard to see from the picture.

    If there is a drain there then I'm pretty sure that the law is that he owns the hedge. He may be just a miser who doesn't like to part with his money but if he is a real troublemaker then he could cut down the hedge completely if he sees the fence or your side and take away from the privacy of your garden, exposing you more to farming sights and smells. If there is a drainage ditch on the other side of the hedge (his side) then the hedge belongs to you and he wouldn't be entitled to cut it down. If there is no ditch then I am not sure who owns the hedge.

    Rather than falling out with him completely it might be worthwhile to come to some little arrangement once he has paid over the money. For instance you might allow him to cut the high grass in the garden in Spring and roll it for a small refund etc. But only give over the refund after he does a proper job. In that case some honour is saved on all sides and might prevent any future retaliation if he is a bad egg.


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