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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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    #272
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    My favourite thing about Trump is what he does to those defending him. It follows a certain pattern:

    Papers: Trump did a thing.

    Defenders: No he didn't do the thing. Hilary something. The left dur dur. Antifa.

    Trump: I totally did the thing. It was beautiful. Many people say it was the best thing ever. Covfefe.

    Defenders: It was super smart that he did the thing. I have no memory of what i said before but i'll just repeat what i read on dodgy Twitter accounts.

    Everyone else: You people are dumb.
    Whatever you're smoking... I WANT SOME! :pac:

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #273
    noel1980
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/


    Well done mate.


    This Overheal guy seems to have no clue what's going on :D:D


    Dude can't even use Google :D


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    #274
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Whatever you're smoking... I WANT SOME! :pac:

    Hahahaha Golden!! :D


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    #275
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/
    But, but, but... Orange man bad!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #276
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    notobtuse wrote: »
    But, but, but... Orange man bad!


    orange-man-bad7056.jpg


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    #277
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,901 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Tinfoil theorycrafting at Fox News being passed off as credible,
    The theory first appeared in a New York Post op-ed on Thursday, in which former Trump administration aide Fred Fleitz pitched the idea that the complaint was too “polished” to have been written by the whistleblower, even though the anonymous person in question is a CIA officer — as identified by the New York Times — who is presumably well-versed in legalese. There is also no hard evidence proving that he worked in tandem with a third-party

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-goes-all-in-on-new-theory-whistleblower-had-outside-help-crafting-his-complaint/

    Trying to undermine the credibility of the whistleblower. Witness tampering.


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    #278
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    Tinfoil theorycrafting at Fox News being passed off as credible,

    Trying to undermine the credibility of the whistleblower. Witness tampering.
    Experts: Only convenient to leftists until they stop following the agenda.


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    #279
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,901 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    thechewyone wrote: »
    Experts: Only convenient to leftists until they stop following the agenda.

    What experts?

    These are lies being peddled by Trump’s damage control team.

    Literally: the name of everyone in that article appears to be Fox News opinion pundits and Trumps personal attorney and a WH aide or two. As I posted earlier today Jay Sekulow showed up on Fox and Friends and told them this nonsense how he ‘felt’ the complaint was too well written even though the whistleblower is a CIA Officer. Then the Fox and Friends crew perpetuated their agreeable with that belief all throughout the day.


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    #280
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    What experts?

    These are lies being peddled by Trump’s damage control team.

    Literally the guy you are talking about, who pointed out this latest Democrat hoax: https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_H._Fleitz


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    #281
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,901 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    thechewyone wrote: »
    Literally the guy you are talking about, who pointed out this latest Democrat hoax: https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_H._Fleitz

    A pro Trump Republican who served in his WH, left to take on a plush job at a far right think tank. Yes thank you for proving my point.


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    #282
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    A pro Trump Republican who served in his WH, left to take on a plush job at a far right think tank. Yes thank you for proving my point.

    Thanks for proving me correct. Experts: the friends of Leftists until they stop following the agenda.


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    #283
    RobbingBandit
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    Whole load of mudslinging, impeachment probably won't happen from this and the fallout will drag on for months.
    The winner out of this will probably be Sanders or whomever is trailing Biden in the Democratic nomination race.


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    #284
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,901 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Actually it gets better because that guy hasn’t worked an intelligence job since 2011 short of being Bolton’s chief of staff for a long summer, and he was very clearly far right with far right/anti-left views.


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    #285
    Overheal
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    thechewyone wrote: »
    Thanks for proving me correct. Experts: the friends of Leftists until they stop following the agenda.

    He’s an expert on diction in a whistleblower complaint? Hardly. He’s expressing an opinion.


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    #286
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    Actually it gets better because that guy hasn’t worked an intelligence job since 2011 short of being Bolton’s chief of staff for a long summer, and he was very clearly far right with far right/anti-left views.

    "His expertise doesn't count because I disagree with him, wah wah".

    The 'enlightened left' right here.


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    #287
    Overheal
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    thechewyone wrote: »
    "His expertise doesn't count because I disagree with him, wah wah".

    The 'enlightened left' right here.

    Anything’s left of the far right I guess.

    His expertise counts in what he is an expert at. It isn’t witness tampering.


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    #288
    Overheal
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    Chris Wallace works to unravel the spin of Trumps damage control team

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-chris-wallace-demolishes-astonishing-and-deeply-misleading-spin-from-trump-defenders/


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    #289
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    Anything’s left of the far right I guess.

    His expertise counts in what he is an expert at. It isn’t witness tampering.

    His expertise is in intelligence, and this is an intelligence document. If the left decided they didn't like Liverpool FC all of a sudden, they would declare Jurgen Klopp isn't an expert in football because he is not a referee. It's pathetic.


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    #290
    Overheal
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    thechewyone wrote: »
    His expertise is in intelligence, and this is an intelligence document.

    His expertise is debatable, given he has spent the last 8 years in a far right think tank perpetuating conspiracy theories.


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    #291
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    His expertise is debatable, given he has spent the last 8 years in a far right think tank perpetuating conspiracy theories.

    Again, literally what I said - "he is an expert but I disagree with him so I will pretend his expertise means nothing". The hypocrisy is ridiculous.


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    #292
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,901 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    thechewyone wrote: »
    Again, literally what I said - "he is an expert but I disagree with him so I will pretend his expertise means nothing". The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

    If you say so. His opinion is conjecture until there is any evidence proving the whistleblower report was drafted by multiple people. To date there is not.


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    #293
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    If you say so. His opinion is conjecture until there is any evidence proving the whistleblower report was drafted by multiple people. To date there is not.
    So now you acknowledge he is an expert in the matter, and just refuse to accept what he is saying because it doesn't fit your agenda.

    This is why Trump is president, and why he will continue to be until at least 2024. Thank you for your help, please keep it up and help make 2020 the best year of an election since '88. :)


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    #294
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,901 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Another codeword classified congressional letter just aired that subpoenas Mike Pompeo.

    https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/2019-09-27.EEC%20Engel%20Schiff%20%20to%20Pompeo-%20State%20re%20Document%20Subpoena.pdf

    And by codeword classified I mean public and proper.


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    #295
    Overheal
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    thechewyone wrote: »
    So now you acknowledge he is an expert in the matter, and just refuse to accept what he is saying because it doesn't fit your agenda.
    youre fabricating.
    This is why Trump is president, and why he will continue to be until at least 2024. Thank you for your help, please keep it up and help make 2020 the best year of an election since '88. :)
    if you say so.


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    #296
    thechewyone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 42 ✭thechewyone


    Overheal wrote: »
    Another codeword classified congressional letter just aired that subpoenas Mike Pompeo.



    And by codeword classified I mean public and proper.

    Good. And when he comes and tells the cold hard truth to Congress you can cry about that too, just like the socialists did with Corey Lewandowski a few days ago.


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    #297
    Overheal
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    thechewyone wrote: »
    Good. And when he comes and tells the cold hard truth to Congress you can cry about that too, just like the socialists did with Corey Lewandowski a few days ago.

    If you say so.


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    #298
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,901 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/1177303507323555841?s=21


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    #299
    Overheal
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    Legal expert: massive White House coverup has been ‘clearly documented’

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/laurence-tribe-a-massive-white-house-coverup-is-now-clearly-documented/
    Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard Law School, said Thursday that the whistleblower complaint and call memo were “devastating” to the White House and Attorney General William Barr.

    “The massive White House coverup of Trump’s abuse of power vis-a-vis Ukraine & Biden, including evidence concealment, is now clearly documented,” Tribe wrote Thursday. “Bill Barr is up to his eyebrows in the criminal conspiracy. He’s Trump’s John Mitchell. Mitchell ended up in prison. It’s all unraveling.”

    Mitchell was the Attorney General under President Richard Nixon and chairman of Nixon’s 1972 presidential campaign who served 19 months in prison after he was found guilty on charges of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury relating to Watergate.

    A rather interesting theory from another expert too
    Lawyer, former FBI special agent, and CNN legal analyst Asha Rangappa commented Thursday that the information now publicly available clearly illustrates the White House’s nefarious strategy.

    “The plan was clear when they learned of whistleblower complaint. 1) Argue that the complaint did not fall under jurisdiction of ODNI (and therefore ICIG) so cannot go to Congress; 2) ground legal reasoning in statutory and agency function reasoning, rather than Art. II, to avoid possible standing issues [with regard to] Congress,” Rangappa wrote about the foundation of the alleged coverup scheme.

    She said the next step was to “tell [the Inspector General that the] proper channel is to submit criminal referral to DOJ; 4) have criminal referrals blocked via Barr.”

    “Voila! Complaint (they think) never sees light of day and no one is the wiser,” Rangappa added. “This whole bureaucratic shenanigan is just another layer of the cover up and should be investigated as well — Barr and Steve Engel (OLC) should testify.”


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    #300
    Overheal
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    More attacks on the whistleblower from fox talking heads. Posted for reference, I know some people will wonder which hymn sheet such nonsense like “Russia Collusion Illusion Delusion 2.0” originate from. Trying to wildly speculate that whistleblower was in cahoots with ... media matters?

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-rivera-speculates-a-group-like-media-matters-involved-in-whistleblower-complaint/


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    #301
    Overheal
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    thechewyone wrote: »
    Corey Lewandowski a few days ago.

    Oh yeah regarding that: that conduct is just another example in a long, long string, from too many - of no respect for sworn testimony in the People's House. If it hadn't been Lewendowski but someone like Biden or Hillary on the stand, and they pulled some garbage like that, "Oh, I'll have to have someone read it to me, where is it? Oh is that what it says? I'd have to think about it," or "I have no obligation to be loyal to the press [indeed the public]," there would rightly be a lot of bloodletting of those characters. But Barr - the Attorney General, pulling that kind of stunt under oath, is in a lot more trouble. Lewendowski is a DC insider who ran Trumps campaign for a while in 2016, but Barr actually took an Oath of Office.


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