President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Veritas Libertas

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That American chap on newstalk predicted this about the whistleblower (mole) in the Whitehouse and said Trump would probably let out a story to expose them.
If it was my Whitehouse I'd probably do the same. It would be niave to think Trump doesn't know who it is.

Like what Tyrion did with Marcella in GOT. He told his advisers different stories about her, whichever story leaked he knew who the mole was.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

The whistleblower law protects whistleblowers, not leakers.

The whistleblower’s lawyers work for group that offers to pay officials who leak against Trump. The complainant is essentially a gossipmonger. The anonymous person had no direct knowledge of the call and their so-called concerns come from information that was not obtained during the course of their work. Therefore this person doesn’t fit the title of a whistleblower and could be subject to jail time.

That’s where that argument breaks apart, since the whistleblower a CIA operative who was detailed to the White House. No way in hell can you prop up an argument to say a CIA operative on station is somehow not doing his job by collecting all manner of intelligence (including evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors in the executive branch), that is sure as hell the course of their work. This is a CIA whistleblower who collected enough intel back in August to write in his whistleblower complaint a pretty dead on summary of what transpired on the President’s call to Zelensky. The whistleblower is not only credible and protected under the law but it’s literally their profession in the federal government and they are apparently an expert at it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html

This is all but a slam dunk; the next few days and how the informational facts are disseminated, matter.

drunkmonkey

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

Sworn statement of former Ukraine Prosecutor General

It's a slam dunk alright, gets Biden and the Spy.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

This is the next step because the WH has for months stonewalled, with the legal argument that there is no “impeachment inquiry” to compel them to comply with congressional subpoenas (ie. They have been obstructing justice).

As for Americans I wouldn’t be surprised to find a large shift in polling data after the events of the last 48 hours, which none of the polling reported on recently, captures. Quinnipiac had 57% against impeachment last week, not out of bounds to see a flip this week on all that’s happened.

Most Americans didn’t support impeachment of Nixon either but he still pulled his cord and got put while he could still be pardoned for his crimes; once the House passes articles of impeachment it will be too late for that.

C a l l e d it.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/shock-poll-support-for-trump-impeachment-swings-13-points-in-just-days/

1800_Ladladlad

Overheal wrote: »

Off the rail

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-attacks-scum-reporters-at-private-event-suggests-whistleblower-is-a-spy-and-should-be-punished-for-treason/

Blatant witness tampering too. These are not the remarks of an innocent man.

The only thing I disagree with him on is the request of the whistleblower's info and that the ID of whistleblowers should be protected. They were acting off info given by the dems who are clinging to everything and anything to use as a reason to impeach. The poor fcuker of a whistleblower

Overheal

2nd whistleblower in the Internal Revenue Service regarding the mandatory audit of the POTUS.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/looks-like-theres-a-second-whistleblower-alleging-trump-acted-improperly/

ebbsy

It all doesn't matter because the numbers ain't there for impeachment.

AllGunsBlazing

ebbsy wrote: »

It all doesn't matter because the numbers ain't there for impeachment.

And the more senior Democrats know this. But it might provide useful ammunition as America approaches an election year.


Privately, Nancy Pelosi has never favoured impeachment of Trump - not even over Russia. She knows it will drive both parties even further apart and that the Republicans will return the favour by making any future Democratic administration a living hell.

She wants rid of Trump - but not at any cost.

Boggles

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

And the more senior Democrats know this. But it might provide useful ammunition as America approaches an election year.


Privately, Nancy Pelosi has never favoured impeachment of Trump - not even over Russia. She knows it will drive both parties even further apart and that the Republicans will return the favour by making any future Democratic administration a living hell.

She wants rid of Trump - but not at any cost.

Not bringing formal charges against Trump is the cost for the future.

If he is allowed go unchecked precedent is established going forward, which will logically only conclude in larger division.

It's chess not checkers.

JohnMc1

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

And the more senior Democrats know this. But it might provide useful ammunition as America approaches an election year.


Privately, Nancy Pelosi has never favoured impeachment of Trump - not even over Russia. She knows it will drive both parties even further apart and that the Republicans will return the favour by making any future Democratic administration a living hell.

She wants rid of Trump - but not at any cost.

They should return the favor. The Democrats behavior the last 3 years have been atrocious. Let them get a taste of their own medicine and they might come back to reality.

AllGunsBlazing

Boggles wrote: »

Not bringing formal charges against Trump is the cost for the future.

If he is allowed go unchecked precedent is established going forward, which will logically only conclude in larger division.

It's chess not checkers.

You're not getting an impeachment. Live with it.

Boggles

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

You're not getting an impeachment. Live with it.

I'm not getting anything, I'm not an American Citizen.

So your concern about division into the future was faux?

Good lad.

As you were.

Overheal

More disinformation from the spin couch

https://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/fox-friends-defends-white-house-using-special-computers-to-hide-ukraine-call-transcript/

Working hard to gloss over the fact the call was vaulted into a classified server system it had no business being in.

noel1980

This whole impeachment thing is a disgrace. The democrats should be representing their constituents and addressing issues in their districts instead of wasting their time on this absolutely unjustified witch-hunt.

They're all going to get voted out in 2020 and replaced with republicans because their constituents are living in squalor.

The impeachment impeachment attempt will fail, but the demon-crats will drag it out for as long as they possibly can, so it gets as much press as possible and their media arm try to do as much damage as they can to orange cheeto man.

AllGunsBlazing

Boggles wrote: »

I'm not getting anything, I'm not an American Citizen.

So your concern about division into the future was faux?

Good lad.

As you were.

Fair enough.

Simply stating Pelosi's position. Maybe she prefers checkers to chess??

Anyhow, she will slowly chip away at Trump for the next year with this and avoid the 3 ring circus of an actual impeachment.

Boggles

noel1980 wrote: »

They're all going to get voted out in 2020 and replaced with republicans because their constituents are living in squalor.
.

Boggles

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Fair enough.

Simply stating Pelosi's position. Maybe she prefers checkers to chess??

Anyhow, she will slowly chip away at Trump for the next year with this and avoid the 3 ring circus of an actual impeachment.

Sure they may chose not to go ahead and file articles of impeachment.

Also if they do it may not go the full process.

Overheal

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Fair enough.

Simply stating Pelosi's position. Maybe she prefers checkers to chess??

Anyhow, she will slowly chip away at Trump for the next year with this and avoid the 3 ring circus of an actual impeachment.

More like the end of October/early November

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/trump-impeachment-democrats.html

JohnMc1

Boggles wrote: »

Not bringing formal charges against Trump is the cost for the future.

If he is allowed go unchecked precedent is established going forward, which will logically only conclude in larger division.

It's chess not checkers.

He has not done anything worth being impeached over. If Pelosi genuinely did she would have had the roll call instead of the horse and pony show for the cameras.

And you Lefties wonder why you're called NPCs now.

drunkmonkey

Overheal wrote: »

More disinformation from the spin couch

Working hard to gloss over the fact the call was vaulted into a classified server system it had no business being in.

Working hard to gloss over the fact Biden has a serious case to answer for. Why are the left oblivious to it. They really are dim, it's ok to impeach the current president but it's ok if the possible future present did a lot worse. There a compete basket case.

Boggles

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He has not done anything worth being impeached over.

In your opinion.

That's important lad.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

And you Lefties wonder why you're called NPCs now.

Leftie? :pac:

What are you a Righty?

Jaysus lad stop framing everything in left and rights, stay off the conspiracy sites and try form an informed and educated opinion based on facts.

It will be easier for everyone including yourself if you do.

Overheal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He has not done anything worth being impeached over. If Pelosi genuinely did she would have had the roll call instead of the horse and pony show for the cameras.

And you Lefties wonder why you're called NPCs now.

You have no idea how this process works, and aren’t American; your knowledge of American civics is lower than you think. There’s no vote to call without Articles of impeachment. There are no articles for this Ukraine call issue, and the House still has a duty to use its investigatory powers to establish its case for impeachment before passing such articles. In the Bill Clinton case that process took months after the conclusion of the special counsel investigation. In Nixon’s case the process was taking weeks/months but as it drew closer to a vote Nixon resigned; once the house passed articles the president can no longer be pardoned for offenses listed in the articles. The 2019 impeachment of Donald Trump, similarly, will take months, not hours.

JohnMc1

Boggles wrote: »

In your opinion.

That's important lad.

What's important is that you're clueless. He's been under investigation since the night he won the election and still nothing.

Leftie? :pac:

What are you a Righty?

Jaysus lad stop framing everything in left and rights,

You Lefties love Identity Politics filtering. Don't cry when you get a taste of your medicine.

stay off the conspiracy sites and try form an informed and educated opinion based on facts.

It will be easier for everyone including yourself if you do.

Practice what you preach. There is nothing factual or educated about your cries for his impeachment. Just more Left Wing NPC faux hysterics.

noel1980

Boggles wrote: »

Let's talk in 2020

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Working hard to gloss over the fact Biden has a serious case to answer for. Why are the left oblivious to it. They really are dim, it's ok to impeach the current president but it's ok if the possible future present did a lot worse. There a compete basket case.

He made the comments in 2018, about actions years prior. The GOP (which owns the government) saw fit to take no investigatory or judicial action against Biden. Didn’t even subpoena him, or ask him to make a sworn statement. Wasn’t until Trump withheld military aid to the Ukraine and then set up a call to pressure them to dig up dirt on the Bidens, which was about a day after Trump thought he had escaped impeachment from under the Mueller probe. Sure, investigate Biden all you like but it doesn’t change what Trump did.

drunkmonkey

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177426946713628674?s=09

Solomon on Biden
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

peddlelies

Older Dems like Feinstein have been in bed with the likes of China for decades. Biden's the same.

You'll hear the usual line "nobody was convicted of anything" or "the investigation cleared them".

How many times was Larry Nassar investigated and cleared? Many people at the top are protected. It's why that military guy who took a photo of a submarine got sent to jail for saving classified information yet Clinton had classified material on an unauthorized, unsecure server, ran a pay for play operation out of the state department, hid and subsequently deleted the records yet nothing happens.

It's laughable to be honest, her foundation received hundreds of millions from Russia and people linked to a uranium deal, yet that's deemed a conspiracy theory. Did those Russians just send the money out of the goodness of their hearts? That's what we're supposed to believe. Bill C and the AG meet on the tarmac and we're meant to believe they were just talking about golf and grand kids.

Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, end of story. But you will always have this push-back from the right because of all the bullshít that preceded it. In their minds, and rightly so imo, it's one set of laws for me but another set of laws for thee.

Boggles

noel1980 wrote: »

Let's talk in 2020

We don't need to.

I can tell you right now what you said will not happen.

Wager?

Overheal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

What's important is that you're clueless. He's been under investigation since the night he won the election and still nothing.

And?

Bill Clinton was under investigation for y e a r s. Hillary Clinton has been under investigation on and off for what feels like 20 years now. And still nothing. So I ask: what’s your point? That criminal investigations of high ranking individuals can take protracted lengths of time? Nixon took 3 years to resign from the beginning of criminal actions by his White House Plumbers. The Ken Starr Investigation took 4 years all on its own, not including the lead-up to that point and the impeachment process. Bonus: Benghazi was investigated for 4+ years.

Boggles

JohnMc1 wrote: »

What's important is that you're clueless. He's been under investigation since the night he won the election and still nothing.





You Lefties love Identity Politics filtering. Don't cry when you get a taste of your medicine.



Practice what you preach. There is nothing factual or educated about your cries for his impeachment. Just more Left Wing NPC faux hysterics.

So as you were.

I tried.