Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

Enzokk

Deleted User wrote: »

Peter Foster (Telegraph) thinks they are on board.


https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1184764123822903296?s=20

The DUP themselves are denying this, not sources from the EU. It seems to me that the UK has informed the EU that the DUP is onboard and this is what is being reported from Brussels.

https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1184766292953325568?s=20

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

Peter Foster (Telegraph) thinks they are on board.


https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1184764123822903296?s=20

Sky have just quoted DUP sources saying our statement from this morning still stands.

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1184766292953325568

We need to get it from the horse's mouth. People saying both

Yep, David Blevins saying no as well. So Boris throwing DUP under the bus then? Dunno how he gets the HoC arithmetic to work in his favour if he is.


https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1184766856340660229?s=20

josip

DUP won't be happy that it's the EU saying the DUP are on board.
Even if they are on board, that would be enough to knock them overboard again.

Seth Brundle

The Scots isnae happy...
https://twitter.com/AlexSalmond/status/1184563030996246528

Joe_ Public

Problem with Twitter people just rushing to get even the flimsiest of news out there, desperate to be first. Should have higher standards.

J Mysterio

devnull wrote: »

They might also be the villan if it ends with no deal....

They are the villain anyway. They are really the only party who have had a voice in this process, and that voice has said either 'gimme, gimme, gimme' or 'no, no, no'.

They have become more well known throughout the UK due to Brexit, but that's not necessarily a good thing for them.

joe316

One useful outcome out of this morning's shenagins is that the UK mainland will be seeing first hand, how braindead, awkward and self serving, the knuckle draggers that call themselves the DUP are.

J Mysterio

LeinsterDub wrote: »

LBC saying DUP aren't on board. Which would mean the ERG at least in part won't be either

Brexit Hardman Steve Baker supports it, and he carries enormous weight with these goons. If he's behind it, can only assume he will take the majority of the ERG with him.

10000maniacs

I don't know why investors are buying sterling. We all know the deal is not going to get through the HOC.
It will be at least 40 shy of 320.
Unless Johnson adds a second referendum stipulation to the deal.

Joe_ Public

J Mysterio wrote: »

Brexit Hardman Steve Baker supports it, and he carries enormous weight with these goons. If he's behind it, can only assume he will take the majority of the ERG with him.

Would majority even be enough though? Two or three erg voting against would be a big enough problem on it's own.

Enzokk

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Problem with Twitter people just rushing to get even the flimsiest of news out there, desperate to be first. Should have higher standards.

I think it is the same as Tony Connolly last night, the news from Brussels from EU sources is different from the UK. It seems to me that the information being passed to the EU is not reliable (shock and horror that a Johnson Government is spreading lies) and thus we are getting conflicting information.

The problem I see if they are trying to bump the DUP into a deal is that it will have the opposite effect. At the very least if it was me I would buckle down out of hardheadedness.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1184767658966822913?s=20

Kermit.de.frog

J Mysterio wrote: »

Brexit Hardman Steve Baker supports it, and he carries enormous weight with these goons. If he's behind it, can only assume he will take the majority of the ERG with him.

Yes.

When push comes to shove these guys will not be taking a bullet for NI.

They don't care one jot about NI.

LeinsterDub

J Mysterio wrote: »

Brexit Hardman Steve Baker supports it, and he carries enormous weight with these goons. If he's behind it, can only assume he will take the majority of the ERG with him.

Majority isn't good enough however ,they need every vote

robinph

joe316 wrote: »

One useful outcome out of this morning's shenagins is that the UK mainland will be seeing first hand, how braindead, awkward and self serving, the knuckle draggers that call themselves the DUP are.

The DUP are idiots, but at this point in time I'm delighted that they are continuing along that line. If they were to agree to anything then there is a chance that Brexit could happen in two weeks time, so whilst they continue to shoot themselves in the foot multiple times as they can't understand what they are doing it's all fine with me.

Bring on the Benn Act and the extension.

Joe_ Public

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Problem with Twitter people just rushing to get even the flimsiest of news out there, desperate to be first. Should have higher standards.

True. Peter Foster is after doing a u turn.............


https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1184768544673845249?s=20

Enzokk

In any case this deal will not be ratified before the weekend. It seems a text can be agreed but the deal will need approval from the EU parliament and they are not sitting until next week.

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1184613116123987969?s=20

Joe_ Public

Enzokk wrote: »

I think it is the same as Tony Connolly last night, the news from Brussels from EU sources is different from the UK. It seems to me that the information being passed to the EU is not reliable (shock and horror that a Johnson Government is spreading lies) and thus we are getting conflicting information.

The problem I see if they are trying to bump the DUP into a deal is that it will have the opposite effect. At the very least if it was me I would buckle down out of hardheadedness.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1184767658966822913?s=20

I agree. Connelly did get it wrong but I'm not going to hammer him for it, he had multiple sources and was genuine. But yes, I do think it is UK gov giving them a bum steer and they should definitely be more cognizant of it.

Hurrache

jm08 wrote: »

Boris presumably is going to try and get the hardliners in ERG onside.

If he doesn't and they crash out with no deal, or asks for an extension, his political career as a PM has to end.

First reason is that he fails to get his deal over the line and therefore basically doesn't have the confidence in his own party.

Secondly, his dead in a ditch claims will kill him if he asks for an extension and is not out of the EU by the 31st.

The author of the "Burned" (the cash for ashes book), Sam McBride, is on Sean O'Rourke and has said Foster is terrible for details, which should worry the DUP. It may also explain why on so many occasions they appear to have rowed back on things, she agrees to something not knowing the details, someone else comes along and points out stuff, and she's oh yeah, maybe not.

Tell me how

Adam Boulton chairing a very interesting debate on Sky.
Poland, Finland, Ireland, France and Germany represented.
Mairead McGuinness doing very well.

None of the 5 guests think that the UK will actually be outside the EU on the 1st November.

Hurrache

Deleted User wrote: »

Peter Foster (Telegraph) thinks they are on board.


https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1184764123822903296?s=20

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1184766292953325568

We need to get it from the horse's mouth. People saying both

There were reports earlier this week saying the DUP was split, so it may be depending on which side of the DUP are talking!

Joe_ Public

robinph wrote: »

The DUP are idiots, but at this point in time I'm delighted that they are continuing along that line. If they were to agree to anything then there is a chance that Brexit could happen in two weeks time, so whilst they continue to shoot themselves in the foot multiple times as they can't understand what they are doing it's all fine with me.

Bring on the Benn Act and the extension.

Absolutely. Dup are remainers biggest friends at the moment, my enemy's enemy kind of way. Strange alliance you'd have to say but this is brexit, anything goes.

LeinsterDub

The good law project are going to take the deal to court . They contend it's illegal due to JRM's law

Enzokk

Tell me how wrote: »

Adam Boulton chairing a very interesting debate on Sky.
Poland, Finland, Ireland, France and Germany represented.
Mairead McGuinness doing very well.

None of the 5 guests think that the UK will actually be outside the EU on the 1st November.

I laughed when it was mentioned that the EU needs to be careful that the UK doesn't become a tax haven and Boulton said his information is that the level playing field has been agreed. The response I believe from the German contributor (I believe) was priceless, "Why would you leave the EU then?"

Zubeneschamali

10000maniacs wrote: »

It will be at least 40 shy of 320.
Unless Johnson adds a second referendum stipulation to the deal.

It isn't up to Johnson anymore, he doesn't have a majority. Labour+SNP+LibDems+Ex-tories have the numbers to add an extension+referendum to the deal in the HoC.

Not Labours ideal play, since they would prefer to have a Remain vs. Norway referendum, but maybe they will go for it. LibDems would prefer Remain vs. This Deal, since this deal is a lot worse than any Norway and less likely to win.

This deal with it's sweetheart treatment of NI is nearly as good as No Deal for the purposes of the SNP, so I'd say a ref. on this one would suit them.

Brexit Deal has been done and its time to move on, according to the EU. So it looks as if they have gone ahead regardless of the DUP's misgivings.

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/brexit-deal-has-been-done-and-its-time-to-move-on-says-eu-38604208.html

Enzokk

Barnier press conference on now.

Kermit.de.frog

From the horses mouth in Downing Street



"Special arrangements" = Special status.

Akrasia

This is the 2nd deal that has been accepted by the EU.

If the British Parliament rejects this again, then they will be the laughing stock of the civilised world (moreso)

Enzokk

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

From the horses mouth in Downing Street

"Special arrangements" = Special status.

That is going fall apart under any scrutiny in the HoC, how can you be in a different customs union and keep a open border? You have a special arrangement, or the backstop by another name.