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oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

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    #2972
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    A benchmark has been set, all it'll take from now on is protests and pressures on the owner to pull out of the deal, a lot can be learned from the good people of oughterard, well done to all , brilliant victory


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    #2973
    matt360
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭matt360


    Boggles wrote: »
    Not according to one local family there, backed up by a user on here that is from the town.

    But of course I will take a look at your work that disproves it?

    When you are ready.

    The family you mention was the family that owns it. People picketed outside the house as it is right beside the hotel so was on the picket line. The family came and went all day every day. They weren't hampered in anyway. The only people that were prevented from going in were workers and security guards. So the family started to drive them in and out. The only time there was any confrontation was when a man "collided" with a vehicle entering the hotel.


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    #2974
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Happyilylost wrote: »
    Le sigh. This is what you asked.




    This is what I had posted previously. I had mentioned that "asylum seekers fall of the grid all the time". As you can see the word "failed" does not precede that sentence.





    Congratulations for finding the word failed. It was a completely didn't point. Read the entire post two or three times it might help.

    Had to twice point it out to you after you denied using it. Please be less economical with the truth in future.


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    #2975
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    This DPC will now just get relocated to some other rural village where the local cllrs and TDs are more like Varadkar rather than Grealish.

    If the majority of the next rural village welcome a DPC, good luck to them. If the over whelming majority oppose it, then it shouldn't be put there.

    It really is that simple.

    The place for these DPCs is the leafy suburbs of South Dublin where the vast majority of liberal lefties and people with influence who support DPCs live. The government will meet minimal resistance there, as we have been told time and time again that "racists" only exist outside "The Pale".

    Not that opposing DPCs has anything to do with racism, but that's what many in Establishment Ireland have tried to imply or how they framed it.

    When Dublin South has a number of DPCs, the establishment can come back to us with some credibility.


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    #2976
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    If the majority of the next rural village welcome a DPC, good luck to them. If the over whelming majority oppose it, then it shouldn't be put there.

    It really is that simple.

    The place for these DPCs is the leafy suburbs of South Dublin where the vast majority of liberal lefties and people with influence who support DPCs live. The government will meet minimal resistance there, as we have been told time and time again that "racists" only exist outside "The Pale".

    Not that opposing DPCs has anything to do with racism, but that's what many in Establishment Ireland have tried to imply or how they framed it.

    When Dublin South has a number of DPCs, the establishment can come back to us with some credibility.

    As members of the EU we have to do our part taking in refugees, they have to go somewhere and cannot all put up opposition to them.

    I think the big issue is lack of communications/consultation and ensuring that the rollouts are done in a sustainable way and within reason for the location. The current approach will change the dynamic/day to day lives of locals due to the sheer volume of individuals moving into the area.

    So having little to no consultation with locals ahead of time is ridiculous.


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    #2977
    Uncle Charlie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 200 ✭✭Uncle Charlie


    Calhoun wrote: »
    As members of the EU we have to do our part taking in refugees, they have to go somewhere and cannot all put up opposition to them.

    I think the big issue is lack of communications/consultation and ensuring that the rollouts are done in a sustainable way and within reason for the location. The current approach will change the dynamic/day to day lives of locals due to the sheer volume of individuals moving into the area.

    So having little to no consultation with locals ahead of time is ridiculous.




    Poland and Hungary are in the EU yet they refuse to take in "refugees".


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    #2978
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Calhoun wrote: »
    As members of the EU we have to do our part taking in refugees, they have to go somewhere and cannot all put up opposition to them.

    I think the big issue is lack of communications/consultation and ensuring that the rollouts are done in a sustainable way and within reason for the location. The current approach will change the dynamic/day to day lives of locals due to the sheer volume of individuals moving into the area.

    So having little to no consultation with locals ahead of time is ridiculous.

    As per the Nice treaty Ireland has the opportunity to veto taking any refugees from other EU countries. Perhaps it’s time to put it to the vote. Would save us billions in the long term.


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    #2979
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,855 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    matt360 wrote: »
    The family you mention was the family that owns it.

    No they aren't.

    So you are calling her a liar.

    You need to back that up with something lad.

    In your own time.


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    #2980
    Happyilylost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Seathrun66 wrote: »
    Had to twice point it out to you after you denied using it. Please be less economical with the truth in future.

    I denied using the statement you implied. Never denied using the word. You took the word failed and added it to a completely different sentence. I can write my own posts without you needing to revise them.


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    #2981
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,855 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There is nothing there to say the protesters are harassing her.

    Apart from her own words.


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    #2982
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Poland and Hungary are in the EU yet they refuse to take in "refugees".

    They don't have Brexit happening beside them.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    As per the Nice treaty Ireland has the opportunity to veto taking any refugees from other EU countries. Perhaps it’s time to put it to the vote. Would save us billions in the long term.

    Why would we do that, we have agreed as member of the community to take them in. A community that we enjoy many benefits from and currently is protecting us from our neighbours who haven't always had our interest at heart?

    Accepting refugees is not the issue in my opinion its the implementation that is the main issue.


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    #2983
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Calhoun wrote: »
    As members of the EU we have to do our part taking in refugees, they have to go somewhere and cannot all put up opposition to them.

    I think the big issue is lack of communications/consultation and ensuring that the rollouts are done in a sustainable way and within reason for the location. The current approach will change the dynamic/day to day lives of locals due to the sheer volume of individuals moving into the area.

    So having little to no consultation with locals ahead of time is ridiculous.

    They do but they should be distributed evenly and proportional to the population of the area.

    We shouldn't have to take in Albanians or Georgian asylum seekers, regardless of what the EU says. We should retain a minimal control of our borders so we can keep out groups who are clearly trying to scam the system and overwhelm it.


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    #2984
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Boggles wrote: »
    Apart from her own words.

    Is that the actual proof it happened ..


    We've had people abducted by space aliens or so they have claimed .

    Must be true then so , aliens that is
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    #2985
    nuac
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    If the majority of the next rural village welcome a DPC, good luck to them. If the over whelming majority oppose it, then it shouldn't be put there.

    It really is that simple.

    The place for these DPCs is the leafy suburbs of South Dublin where the vast majority of liberal lefties and people with influence who support DPCs live. The government will meet minimal resistance there, as we have been told time and time again that "racists" only exist outside "The Pale".

    Not that opposing DPCs has anything to do with racism, but that's what many in Establishment Ireland have tried to imply or how they framed it.

    When Dublin South has a number of DPCs, the establishment can come back to us with some credibility.

    Agree 100%.

    Relocation decisions are being made solely because a premises, usually a failed hotel, becomes aavailable. Often complete disregard of the absence of other relevant facilities, no prior consultation with communities, no assessment of medical, educational, recreational nor employment resources.


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    #2986
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,855 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Uncle Charlie wrote: »
    Poland and Hungary are in the EU yet they refuse to take in "refugees".

    Poland are taking asylum seekers.

    Hungary are getting international condemnation for not, they will be more than likely dealt with when the new EU budget soon.

    Holding the likes of Hungary up as a country we should mimic is beyond silly.


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    #2987
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    regardless of what the EU says

    Unfortunately when the likes of Merkel gets to stand up and say the doors and open welcome to Europe and Germany,
    Without any consideration for other nations were no longer living in a democratic society .

    Europe needs a Europe first page policy we don't need half of Africa , Pakistan , Afghanistan , living in Europe all looking for that better life of benefits and housing .
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    #2988
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    And also tiny. How many GPs or school places have they?

    Have the government learned nothing? You cannot shoehorn hundreds of new people into a small community who are not prepared and don't have the resources to cope.

    I suppose this community will be the next to be unfairly labelled racist.

    Done successfully in Lisdoonvarna and Ballaghaderreen.


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    #2989
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    If the majority of the next rural village welcome a DPC, good luck to them. If the over whelming majority oppose it, then it shouldn't be put there.

    It really is that simple.

    The place for these DPCs is the leafy suburbs of South Dublin where the vast majority of liberal lefties and people with influence who support DPCs live. The government will meet minimal resistance there, as we have been told time and time again that "racists" only exist outside "The Pale".

    Not that opposing DPCs has anything to do with racism, but that's what many in Establishment Ireland have tried to imply or how they framed it.

    When Dublin South has a number of DPCs, the establishment can come back to us with some credibility.

    Comments based on what? Gut feeling? Pub chat?


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    #2990
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Boggles wrote: »
    Poland are taking asylum seekers.
    Poland and the V4, maybe they'll take some only after proper vetting (as should be the case).

    They are certainly not going to take in millions from the M'East & N'Africa, such as Sweden apears to be doing, somewhat recklessly, even silly.

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    #2991
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Happyilylost wrote: »
    I denied using the statement you implied. Never denied using the word. You took the word failed and added it to a completely different sentence. I can write my own posts without you needing to revise them.

    You denied referring to 'failed asylum seekers'. You question was 'where did I say failed asylum seekers'. I then pointed it out to you on your post - twice. Now three times. No revision, just denial of clear posts on your part. Stop digging.


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    #2992
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,855 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gatling wrote: »
    Unfortunately when the likes of Merkel gets to stand up and say the doors and open welcome to Europe and Germany,
    Without any consideration for other nations were no longer living in a democratic society .

    Europe needs a Europe first page policy we don't need half of Africa , Pakistan , Afghanistan , living in Europe all looking for that better life of benefits and housing .

    Merkel allowing migrants into the country was a Germany first policy.

    As for Ireland we have a veto and have barely taken half the minuscule amount of migrants we pledged to.


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    #2993
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,855 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »
    Poland and the V4, maybe they'll take some only after proper vetting (as should be the case).

    They are certainly not going to take in millions from the M'East & N'Africa, such as Sweden apears to be doing, somewhat recklessly, even silly.

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    Source for the data please?


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    #2994
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Calhoun wrote: »
    As members of the EU we have to do our part taking in refugees, they have to go somewhere and cannot all put up opposition to them.

    I think the big issue is lack of communications/consultation and ensuring that the rollouts are done in a sustainable way and within reason for the location. The current approach will change the dynamic/day to day lives of locals due to the sheer volume of individuals moving into the area.

    So having little to no consultation with locals ahead of time is ridiculous.

    It's not due to out EU membership that we take in refugees. That'd just set off the anti-EU lobby on boards. We are signed up to the 1951 Refugee Convention and 1967 Protocol. And that will not change.


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    #2995
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    They do but they should be distributed evenly and proportional to the population of the area.

    We shouldn't have to take in Albanians or Georgian asylum seekers, regardless of what the EU says. We should retain a minimal control of our borders so we can keep out groups who are clearly trying to scam the system and overwhelm it.

    We give a hearing to anyone claiming persecution, irrespective of nationality.


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    #2996
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,928 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    is it just me or does anyone else give up after "liberal leftie" is posted?


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    #2997
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Boggles wrote: »
    Source for the data please?
    Are you seriously questioning the chart?
    This is widely reported via a nonpartisan fact tank, surprised you haven't heard of them yet. maybe read up on the issue of european mass migration a bit more?

    I know it's hard to believe 20% for Sweden, but their 'high sceanario' model presents Sweden as being 30% Muslim 2050, all within a matter of decades, if that isn't a form of cultural mass replacement, what is.


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    #2998
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Gatling wrote: »
    Unfortunately when the likes of Merkel gets to stand up and say the doors and open welcome to Europe and Germany,
    Without any consideration for other nations were no longer living in a democratic society .

    Europe needs a Europe first page policy we don't need half of Africa , Pakistan , Afghanistan , living in Europe all looking for that better life of benefits and housing .

    Scaremongering much? A tiny percentage of those nations and continent live in Europe. And contribute to taxation and pension funds when they do.

    As a nationality we also gain from being allowed to live and work in many non-European countries.


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    #2999
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »
    Poland and the V4, maybe they'll take some only after proper vetting (as should be the case).

    They are certainly not going to take in millions from the M'East & N'Africa, such as Sweden apears to be doing, somewhat recklessly, even silly.

    7be8ca0a6f67300c37c13de6a7b1bffe.jpg

    Projected percentages. From what scaremongering rightist source? Not the Pew again?


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    #3000
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Seathrun66 wrote: »
    A tiny percentage of those nations and continent live in Europe.
    A portion of the African contenent which will be '2bn people' by 2050, about four times more populated than the EU.
    Seathrun66 wrote: »
    And contribute to taxation and pension funds when they do.
    What exactly will the generally unskilled be working as, during/after automation wipes out all the unskilled roles? all Dr's & Engineers, is it?
    Seathrun66 wrote: »
    As a nationality we also gain from being allowed to live and work in many non-European countries.
    Legally. Yes if Paddy has a work visa/permit can work. No visa, then no work.


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    #3001
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,855 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »
    Are you seriously questioning the chart?

    I can't question it, that's the point. It's a random chart / picture that anyone could have cobbled together. Please provide a link to who compiled it.
    Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »
    This is widely reported via a nonpartisan fact tank

    They are projected figures for 2050.

    Are you familiar with what a fact is?


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