Unpopular Opinions - OP Updated with Threadban List 4/5/21

partyguinness

Maxpfizer wrote: »

Too many Irish people spend far too much time getting unreasonably worked up over American issues.

It's like they get all of the emotional investment, the anger and despair, the soaring highs of success, without any of the power to actually participate through voting or volunteering etc.

We routinely ignore horrible stuff happening in less fashionable parts of the world but a few morons cause a bit of trouble in Washington and the reaction all the way over here in Ireland is "there should be capital punishment for some of those post-human filth".

You'd be forgiven for thinking that the stuff happening over there is taking place right on our doorsteps here. Even when we have our own problems to deal with there are some who seem to care more about that Trump has been up to.

It's the same over here in England and the BBC is just as bad.

Top of the news at one stage last week for the Senate race in Georgia and I found myself thinking: "Why the fcuk is this even on the news here let alone the top story?"

Sure over the weekend a plane cashed in Indonesia with 60+ dead- barely made the news.

BattleCorp

4Ad wrote: »

Thats why I put on Euronews and Al Jazeera to get different views and stories, not the usual Sky/Rte 'news'...

I've a friend who had a sister working at Euronews. At the time of the Sailsbury poisoning (allegedly by Russia), the Americans came over and told the Euronews people what/how to write about the story.

So maybe not quite independent either.

partyguinness

The US political system needs to a good long look at itself.

Whatever about Trump- he had enablers that have stood by and allowed him to snowball unchecked. Either they were powerless or gutless. The US is on the verge of elevating the office of the Presidency to a king like status and part of me thinks that is what they want subconsciously.

Kivaro

Very disappointing that unions in Ireland from Day 1 of the Covid crisis are the "go to" experts for mainstream media to handle the pandemic in this country.
On the main VM news tonight, just saw the INMO rep, with her mask below her nose, calling for the nationalisation of all hospitals in Ireland.
The unions have too much power in Ireland and they greatly limit the country from operating functionally and efficiently.

Eric Cartman

Kivaro wrote: »

Very disappointing that unions in Ireland from Day 1 of the Covid crisis are the "go to" experts for mainstream media to handle the pandemic in this country.
On the main VM news tonight, just saw the INMO rep, with her mask below her nose, calling for the nationalisation of all hospitals in Ireland.
The unions have too much power in Ireland and they greatly limit the country from operating functionally and efficiently.

Socialism must really be crap if its proponents have to keep hijacking crisis to install it.

cms88

Kivaro wrote: »

Very disappointing that unions in Ireland from Day 1 of the Covid crisis are the "go to" experts for mainstream media to handle the pandemic in this country.
On the main VM news tonight, just saw the INMO rep, with her mask below her nose, calling for the nationalisation of all hospitals in Ireland.
The unions have too much power in Ireland and they greatly limit the country from operating functionally and efficiently.

They have to make themselves look like they actually do something. Also one of the demands is better pay. Becuase that's going to help everything....

notobtuse

In the USA Democrats have proven lies, deceit, vote fraud, and every underhanded tactic imaginable works. Shouldn’t Republicans learn from this? If democrats get away with these things and republicans don’t follow suit then the party will surely die. Republicans have lost the presidency, the House, and now the Senate, because they refuse to lower their standards to that of democrats.

Time to change. I think republicans should pressure republican officials to give the same level of disrespect, obstruction, investigations, impeachment proceedings, and everything else underhandedly imaginable to Biden that the democrats did for Trump since the day he was elected in 2016. I don't think anyone should complain if republicans do to Biden exactly what democrats did to Trump, right? The only way to make all the ugliness stop is not through words and rhetoric and promises to make changes in the future, but instead do to Dems exactly what they did to Reps.

cms88

I'm pretty sick of hearing the Debenhams workers now. They've got more than enough offers at this stage. I also wonder how many of them do all their shopping online, the thing that put Debenhams under.

Eric Cartman

cms88 wrote: »

I'm pretty sick of hearing the Debenhams workers now. They've got more than enough offers at this stage. I also wonder how many of them do all their shopping online, the thing that put Debenhams under.

They were handed what they were entitled to but got greedy, pawns of the unions nothing more.

Mules

I don't think Ireland as a society is great at taking responsibility for our failings. We tend to blame others for our misfortune and I dont think that's good for society, as it makes us out to be powerless. I also think that leads to apathy when it comes to making changes

My unpopular opinion is that Europe should be neutral, or pro China, in the coming Cold War pt II. I think that is happening anyway.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

On the main VM news tonight, just saw the INMO rep, with her mask below her nose, calling for the nationalisation of all hospitals in Ireland.
The unions have too much power in Ireland and they greatly limit the country from operating functionally and efficiently.

They are demanding all the beds in the private hospitals be used for Covid, rather than one third. The phrase was

". Private hospital capacity to be fully nationalised into the public system, providing additional beds and staffing to the service in the coming weeks. Current government plans are to use only a third of this capacity."

The term nationalised there is ambiguous but it doesn't look like they mean the government take over the hospitals but instead the beds.

yourdeadwright

If the Democrats had American's public's interest at heart they would not seek to impeach Trump now

He only has 2 weeks left just let him see it out and good riddance to him ,
If they mange to boot him out they know it will cause absolute mayhem and people will die ,

ohnonotgmail

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If the Democrats had American's public's interest at heart they would not seek to impeach Trump now

He only has 2 weeks left just let him see it out and good riddance to him ,
If they mange to boot him out they know it will cause absolute mayhem and people will die ,

Actions have consequences. Trumps actions should have consequences. If there is further violence that will be the responsibility of the people committing the violence not the Democrats.

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Actions have consequences. Trumps actions should have consequences. If there is further violence that will be the responsibility of the people committing the violence not the Democrats.

It would be months after Trump left office if the Senate voted to remove Trump from office through impeachment. The Constitution does not provide impeachment of a FORMER president after he is already out of office. Just another massive fraud perpetrated by the Democrat party wasting valuable resources and taxpayer money in pursuit of a vindictive hatred against Trump. That seems to be all the Democrats have done for over four years now. Call me crazy but you'd think the US would have more pressing matters and issues to attend to right now.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

It would be months after Trump left office if the Senate voted to remove Trump from office through impeachment. The Constitution does not provide impeachment of a FORMER president after he is already out of office. Just another massive fraud perpetrated by the Democrat party wasting valuable resources and taxpayer money in pursuit of a vindictive hatred against Trump. That seems to be all the Democrats have done for over four years now. Call me crazy but you'd think the US would have more pressing matters and issues to attend to right now.

the constitution is silent on that matter.

partyguinness

Impeaching someone is removing them from office. How can that arise when they have already left?

There is nothing to impeach.

Seems dead in the water.

Conall Cernach

partyguinness wrote: »

Impeaching someone is removing them from office. How can that arise when they have already left?

There is nothing to impeach.

Seems dead in the water.

I think the idea is that they can bar him from any public office in the future e.g. running again in 2024.

ohnonotgmail

partyguinness wrote: »

Impeaching someone is removing them from office. How can that arise when they have already left?

There is nothing to impeach.

Seems dead in the water.

there is more to conviction in the senate than removing him from office. They can also take a further vote to bar him from any further public office. This is all covered on the election thread, no need to rehash it here.

Gmak2442

The list is long: This world need a lot to work correctly. A lot of things that a lot of person dislike.

El_Duderino 09

partyguinness wrote: »

Impeaching someone is removing them from office. How can that arise when they have already left?

There is nothing to impeach.

Seems dead in the water.

Not so. Impeachment would result in the person being removed from office because they’re fount to be unfit for office because they broke the law. He can be impeached after leaving office and there’s precedent for impeachment after leaving other offices.

It would mean he can’t hold office again so can’t run again.

partyguinness

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Not so. Impeachment would result in the person being removed from office because they’re fount to be unfit for office because they broke the law. He can be impeached after leaving office and there’s precedent for impeachment after leaving other offices.

It would mean he can’t hold office again so can’t run again.

It remains to be tested because as I said by this time next week he is no longer in office so what are you impeaching?

As you said yourself: it would result in the person being removed from office but he is already gone and not in office. What precedent is there for removing from other offices?

It would be new territory that's for sure.

El_Duderino 09

partyguinness wrote: »

It remains to be tested because as I said by this time next week he is no longer in office so what are you impeaching?

As you said yourself: it would result in the person being removed from office but he is already gone and not in office. What precedent is there for removing from other offices?

It would be new territory that's for sure.

Well, that not all I said. I said “Impeachment would result in the person being removed from office because they’re fount to be unfit for office because they broke the law.”

So the point of impeachment is to determine if the office holder broke the law. That’s relevant whether they’re in office or not and it would also have the effect that I mentioned in the post above.

They said in the BBC podcast that there is precedent for successfully impeaching a person after they left office. Can’t remember which office they held but it doesn’t really matter.

What do you think impeachment is?

ohnonotgmail

partyguinness wrote: »

It remains to be tested because as I said by this time next week he is no longer in office so what are you impeaching?

As you said yourself: it would result in the person being removed from office but he is already gone and not in office. What precedent is there for removing from other offices?

It would be new territory that's for sure.

The senate has the power to bar him from further office. that is not in dispute by anybody. Again, you are better off asking these questions on the election thread.

Mal-Adjusted

Doesn't geting convicted by the senate carry a few other consequences as well? Thinls like losing the title and salary, losing access to intillegance briefings and having to pay for his secret service detail himself?


Anyway, to get bak on track, Only Fools and Horses is sh1te.

y0ssar1an22

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, that not all I said. I said “Impeachment would result in the person being removed from office because they’re fount to be unfit for office because they broke the law.”

So the point of impeachment is to determine if the office holder broke the law. That’s relevant whether they’re in office or not and it would also have the effect that I mentioned in the post above.

They said in the BBC podcast that there is precedent for successfully impeaching a person after they left office. Can’t remember which office they held but it doesn’t really matter.

What do you think impeachment is?

the point of this impeachment is not to remove trump from office - biden will be sitting there as president by the time the senate vote on it. the point is to prevent him from running for office again, which is the 2nd (often ignored part).

le bron james...always giving out about inequality. but wont at all mention china cos of the $$$.

and the fact that no one ever calls him on it

paw patrol

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

the point of this impeachment is not to remove trump from office - biden will be sitting there as president by the time the senate vote on it. the point is to prevent him from running for office again, which is the 2nd (often ignored part).

le bron james...always giving out about inequality. but wont at all mention china cos of the $$$.

and the fact that no one ever calls him on it

I saw a video of a fan calling him out on it after a game around time of Hong Kong crackdown. he reacted badly/angrily.

in fairness he probably doesn't care about any of it and follows what his publicist saying is good for the cash. But show how empty the whole celebrity woke culture is.

Mal-Adjusted

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Anyway, to get bak on track, Only Fools and Horses is sh1te.

Never understood the fuss on that one. Not one laugh in any of the ten or so episodes I have seen, and all supposed jokes are signalled a mile away. If it was sold as a light weight drama or something I might get it.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

It remains to be tested because as I said by this time next week he is no longer in office so what are you impeaching?

As you said yourself: it would result in the person being removed from office but he is already gone and not in office. What precedent is there for removing from other offices?

It would be new territory that's for sure.

The vote is on Tuesday, the inauguration is on Wednesday.

BattleCorp

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

le bron james...always giving out about inequality. but wont at all mention china cos of the $$$.

Surprising fact. Lebron James sometimes goes to a physio in Carlow.