Irish Youtuber - cold shower punishment for 2 yr old

LellsBells

Guys ....a very well known Irish YouTuber has posted a vlog this week talking about how they use COLD showers as punishment for their 2 year old child. They have since released a statement saying it was “tepid water” and the vlog has been edited to remove the content. Luckily the clip is still available online, along with other videos where their older daughter talks about giving her doll a cold shower because she was bold!

I can’t believe that YouTube and the Irish media are doing nothing about it! In fact, anyone that has mentioned it on Instagram has received legal letters telling them not to mention it!

What are your thoughts on this?

73bc61lyohr0mu

Who gives a ****. How about you get upset and offended at something worthwhile.

Roger Hassenforder

LellsBells wrote: »

Guys ....a very well known Irish YouTuber has posted a vlog this week talking about how they use COLD showers as punishment for their 2 year old child. They have since released a statement saying it was “tepid water” and the vlog has been edited to remove the content. Luckily the clip is still available online, along with other videos where their older daughter talks about giving her doll a cold shower because she was bold!

I can’t believe that YouTube and the Irish media are doing nothing about it! In fact, anyone that has mentioned it on Instagram has received legal letters telling them not to mention it!

What are your thoughts on this?

Wouldnt be mentioning it so.
No siree, Roger wont be lawyering up

Moronic, self-absorbed & irresponsible vlogger draws in equally stupid followers. C'est la vie.

endacl

If I was aware of the existence of a ‘well known Irish YouTuber’, and unselfconsciously used the word ‘vlog’, well...

... I’d have to go and take a long hard look at myself to figure out where my life went wrong...

eviltwin

Who is it?

alta stare

Mikayla Calm Sty wrote: »

Who gives a ****. How about you get upset and offended at something worthwhile.

Judging by your post are you not just doing exactly that? Especially the upset bit as you do seem upset....you ok?

Raconteuse

What in the bejesus is going on with the above woman?!

I don't get the social media influencer thing either but go easy on the OP - it is an awful thing to do, if true. Why dismiss it because it's an influencer?

ILoveYourVibes

Raconteuse wrote: »

What in the bejesus is going on with the above woman?!

I don't get the social media influencer thing either but go easy on the OP - it is an awful thing to do, if true. Why dismiss it because it's an influencer?

Is it an awful thing to do?

whisky_galore

If it's illegal the Guards will get on it, if not, I couldn't give less of a rattling fück.

policarp

Years ago there was no hot water.
So cold shave and cold bath for disobedient snappers.

LellsBells

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Moronic, self-absorbed & irresponsible vlogger draws in equally stupid followers. C'est la vie.

Yep, I’d normally agree, if there wasn’t a baby involved.

Raconteuse

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Is it an awful thing to do?

Punishing a two-year-old with cold showers? Yes.

LellsBells

Mikayla Calm Sty wrote: »

Who gives a ****. How about you get upset and offended at something worthwhile.

I’m not offended

ILoveYourVibes

Raconteuse wrote: »

Punishing a two-year-old with cold showers? Yes.

No it isn't. And its not your family.

I had to have them as a kid. Not for punishment but my mom felt it was healthy. I survived.


Also she would leave me out in the cold to take naps in winter ...and that is proven to be healthy.

There is more about it here.

https://givedirectcharity.org/2019/03/06/why-orphanages-should-have-cold-and-hot-showers-for-children/

COld water for babies

https://ownyourhealth.me/2008/07/01/cold-water-for-babies/

Raconteuse

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No it isn't. And its not your family.

In my opinion it is, in your opinion it isn't - and I think most people would agree it is. This is a two-year-old child. Two.

What relevance does it not being my family have? You could say that about anything. If someone beats their child "Oh you can't comment - it's not your family." Illogical.

gctest50

The NSPCC n police will kick their ass hopefully

ILoveYourVibes

Raconteuse wrote: »

In my opinion it is, in your opinion it isn't - and I think most people would agree it is. This is a two-year-old child. Two.

What relevance does it not being my family have? You could say that about anything. If someone beats their child "Oh you can't comment - it's not your family." Illogical.

My family bathed both of us as babies in cold water. Its totally normal in some countries.

I had to have them as a kid. Not for punishment but my mom felt it was healthy. I survived.


Also she would leave me out in the cold to take naps in winter ...and that is proven to be healthy.

There is more about it here.

https://givedirectcharity.org/2019/0...-for-children/

COld water for babies

https://ownyourhealth.me/2008/07/01/...er-for-babies/

Cold showers for children cold baths for babies ..napping out in winter was totally normal for me. My mom too.

You are way over reacting.

ILoveYourVibes

And they say it was tepid water.


My mom straight up bathed me in FREEZING water. It didn't traumatize me but i remember. It wasn't anything to do with punishment.

Raconteuse

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No it isn't. And its not your family.

I had to have them as a kid. Not for punishment but my mom felt it was healthy. I survived.


Also she would leave me out in the cold to take naps in winter ...and that is proven to be healthy.

There is more about it here.

https://givedirectcharity.org/2019/03/06/why-orphanages-should-have-cold-and-hot-showers-for-children/

COld water for babies

https://ownyourhealth.me/2008/07/01/cold-water-for-babies/

Yeah it wasn't for punishment as you said. Putting a small child out in the cold for naps is bizarre. I think it's nonsensical how some parents wrap their children up as if it's January when it's a mild summer's day, as it's bound to compromise their tolerance of lower temperatures but that's far too much to the other extreme.

I'm not over reacting. Your outlook is skewed.

They said it was tepid water after being called out.

ILoveYourVibes

Raconteuse wrote: »

Putting a small child out in the cold for naps is bizarre.

No its not.

Its totally normal in cold countries. Russia Ukraine Norway Poland Iceland etc. They all do it.

Its proven to be healthy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988

https://time.com/4048219/how-to-parent-like-a-russian/

You are seriously over reacting.

It prevents disease. Good for the immune system.

Would you put your baby or toddler outside in the freezing cold for their lunchtime nap? Most Nordic parents wouldn't give it a second thought. For them it's part of their daily routine.
Daytime temperatures this winter in Stockholm have regularly dropped to -5C (23F) but it's still common to see children left outside by their parents for a sleep in the pram.
Wander through the snowy city and you'll see buggies lined up outside coffee shops while parents sip on lattes inside.
And if you are visiting friends and your child needs a nap, you may be offered the garden or balcony instead of a bedroom.
"I think it's good for them to be in the fresh air as soon as possible," says Lisa Mardon, a mother-of-three from Stockholm, who works for a food distribution company.

When the temperature drops to -15C we always cover the prams with blanketsBrittmarie Carlzon, Pre-school head teacher

"Especially in the winter when there's lots of diseases going around... the kids seem healthier."
Her children have been sleeping outside since they were born.
The youngest, Alfred, is two and she puts him outside in the pram to nap once a day, for an hour and a half. When he was younger he slept outside twice a day.
This isn't a recent fashion. Lisa's mother, Gunilla, now 61, says she also did it with Lisa when she was a baby.
"Yes we were doing it back then as well… It was important for her to get fresh air and stay healthy," Gunilla says.

Please stop being so ridiculous.

Its not bizarre as you put it at all.

My grandmother did it my mother did and my mother did it with me.

Raconteuse

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No its not.

Its totally normal in cold countries. Russia Ukraine Norway Poland Iceland etc. They all do it.

Its proven to be healthy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988

https://time.com/4048219/how-to-parent-like-a-russian/

You are seriously over reacting.

It prevents disease. Good for the immune system.



Please stop being so ridiculous.

This is not a Nordic or Baltic country and how about you please stop telling someone with just a different opinion that they are over-reacting and being ridiculous.

Also it is used as a punishment in this case.

ILoveYourVibes

Raconteuse wrote: »

This is not a Nordic or Baltic country and how about you please stop telling someone with just a different opinion that they are over-reacting and being ridiculous.

No don't start that with me. This is in the uk but it happens here too.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/parents-charged-8-hour-nursery-11967664

Parents charged 8 euro-an-hour at nursery where babies sleep outside in all weather 'because it's healthier'

Experienced childminder Hannah Rosalie claims infants should be left to sleep wrapped up outdoors even in the cold because they will nap for longer and be less susceptible to colds

Its not bizarre.

My grandmother did my mother did and my mother did with me.

Its very normal.

We are not bizarre people. There is some sense to it.

ILoveYourVibes

Raconteuse wrote: »

T you please stop telling someone with just a different opinion that they are over-reacting and being ridiculous.

Having an opinion is something like ..hmm i think that is abuse i wouldn't do that on my own child.

Not I must report this family for child abuse because they do things a different way. I have to condemn them.

Different parents do things differently.

I wouldn't do it with my own child as a punishment. I will put them outside for naps though and cold to hot showers when the dr says they are ready. I am sure people will think i am abusing my kids.

dickangel

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No don't start that with me. This is in the uk but it happens here too.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/parents-charged-8-hour-nursery-11967664




Its not bizarre.

My grandmother did my mother did and my mother did with me.

Its very normal.

We are not bizarre people. There is some sense to it.

Sounds like pseudoscience.

Any scientific data as opposed to the testimony of an "experienced childminder"?

"Babies are being encouraged to sleep outside." Do they ask their preference?

One eyed Jack

The difference ILYV is that for you it wasn’t intended as punishment, whereas for the child in this particular case, the parents intended it as punishment.

Though I’m half given to thinking it’s a ploy to generate drama tbh. The people involved don’t strike me as the sharpest tools in the box.

Dave_The_Sheep

dickangel wrote: »

Sounds like pseudoscience.

You misspelled bull****.

Dave_The_Sheep

... Just Asking Questions.

ILoveYourVibes

dickangel wrote: »

Sounds like pseudoscience.

Its really not. They sleep longer.

Every country with a cold climate does it en masse. Baltics Scandanavia Eastern Europe Russia etc. All kindergardens.

Really developed countries just so you don't think its some crazy slav thing Sweden Finland Norway etc.

Same with cold showers.

They are trying to encourage it now in the uk.

Better than stale air and sleeping surrounded by plastic toys. Smell one of them. Smell the walls. All the paint etc chemicals. A few hrs of fresh air perfect!

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its really not. They sleep longer.

Every country with a cold climate does it en masse. Baltics Scandanavia Eastern Europe Russia etc. All kindergardens.

Really developed countries just so you don't think its some crazy slav thing Sweden Finland Norway etc.

Same with cold showers.

They are trying to encourage it now in the uk.

Better than stale air and sleeping surrounded by plastic toys. Smell one of them. Smell the walls. All the paint etc chemicals. A few hrs of fresh air perfect!

These are children who are well swaddled against the elements.

Shoving a toddler into a cold showeras punishment is a very different thing.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

Shoving a toddler into a cold showeras punishment is a very different thing.

They do that too. My mother did. And ice baths etc. Very common.

My mom gave me cold baths as a baby. Cold showers in winter etc.

https://ownyourhealth.me/2008/07/01/cold-water-for-babies/


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12806831

They do it in frozen rivers too.

I actually still do it sometimes in winter.

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They do that too. My mother did. And ice baths etc. Very common.

My mom gave me cold baths as a baby.

https://ownyourhealth.me/2008/07/01/cold-water-for-babies/


https://ownyourhealth.me/2008/07/01/cold-water-for-babies/

They do it in frozen rivers too.

I thought you said that your mother didn't do it as punishment?

Oh, and that link advocates dunking for a few seconds. Not bathing or showering.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

I thought you said that your mother didn't do it as punishment?

No. I didn't exactly like them either though.

But what is the difference?

Stephen15

Well when I was growing up a cold shower wasn't a punishment a hot shower was a reward

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No. I didn't exactly like them either though.

But what is the difference?

Really?

One eyed Jack

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No. I didn't exactly like them either though.

But what is the difference?

Intent.

dickangel

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No. I didn't exactly like them either though.

But what is the difference?

If they see it as a punishment they are knowingly forcing discomfort on the child.

ILoveYourVibes

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Intent.

I am sure the parents intent is to get the child to sleep in a healthy bed not full of human excrement.

Maybe they aren't doing it the right way. But that is probably their intent.

ILoveYourVibes

dickangel wrote: »

If they see it as a punishment they are knowingly forcing discomfort on the child.

What is wrong with forcing some discomfort on a child ?

Is that wrong?

I mean i don't know but is it? Truly all discomfort?

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

I thought you said that your mother didn't do it as punishment?

Oh, and that link advocates dunking for a few seconds. Not bathing or showering.

https://siberiantimes.com/healthandlifestyle/others/news/like-ducks-to-water-in-the-snow-keeping-kids-healthy-siberian-style/


Bathing and showering. Partic in cold temps.

Its probably because you guys have never seen it or experienced it you just don't get it.


And how could you. You don't understand. I don't blame you.

Do these children look abused to you?





They are throwing buckets of freezing water over themselves in the snow ..in winter in siberia...in swimming costumes. And they seem kind fine about it.

One eyed Jack

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am sure the parents intent is to get the child to sleep in a healthy bed not full of human excrement.

Maybe they aren't doing it the right way. But that is probably their intent.

Allegedly the parents in this case though, admitted their intent was to punish the child.

I do see where you’re coming from though and if their intent wasn’t to punish the child, then I’d be more understanding of the fact that their intent was not to punish the child.

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am sure the parents intent is to get the child to sleep in a healthy bed not full of human excrement.

Maybe they aren't doing it the right way. But that is probably their intent.

If he beat the child for the same reason would you still think it was OK?

Dave_The_Sheep

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am sure the parents intent is to get the child to sleep in a healthy bed not full of human excrement.

Maybe they aren't doing it the right way. But that is probably their intent.

No it isn't. And you know it isn't.

The definition of arguing in bad faith.

dickangel

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What is wrong with forcing some discomfort on a child ?

Is that wrong?

I mean i don't know but is it? Truly all discomfort?

Well, I'm not sure. Would you agree with slapping a child? It would be just as harmless physically.

The supposed health benefits of cold showers are completely irrelevant to the discussion. They are doing it to punish, to cause discomfort.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

If he beat the child for the same reason would you still think it was OK?

A very light smack yes.

Anything more no.

ILoveYourVibes

dickangel wrote: »

Well, I'm not sure. Would you agree with slapping a child? It would be just as harmless physically.

The supposed health benefits of cold showers are completely irrelevant to the discussion. They are doing it to punish, to cause discomfort.

A very light smack as i have said yes.

Like a spank etc.

And yes I was spanked.

johnmcdnl

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No its not.

Its totally normal in cold countries. Russia Ukraine Norway Poland Iceland etc. They all do it.

Its proven to be healthy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988

https://time.com/4048219/how-to-parent-like-a-russian/

You are seriously over reacting.

It prevents disease. Good for the immune system.

Your missing the part where they wrap the kids up in layers before leaving them outside. Babies are left outside or brought for a walk for fresh air, but are wrapped up in clothing suitable for low temperatures, just like how every other Russian or Nordic person is dressed for the weather.

Fresh air is good for the immune system is the though process, much better than being left inside a room with 20-30 other kids. Being left in freezing cold conditions isn't good for the child and good luck finding any Russian or Nordic person who'll tell you it's a good idea. Grown Russian women won't sit on the ground or on a wall outside in the middle of summer because it might freeze their reproductive systems. Their isn't a hope in hell they'll leave their child out in the cold without a proper coat and blanket.

ILoveYourVibes

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

No it isn't. And you know it isn't.

The definition of arguing in bad faith.

You think they just want to do it for the heck of it?

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://siberiantimes.com/healthandlifestyle/others/news/like-ducks-to-water-in-the-snow-keeping-kids-healthy-siberian-style/


Bathing and showering. Partic in cold temps.

Its probably because you guys have never seen it or experienced it you just don't get it.


And how could you. You don't understand. I don't blame you.

Do these children look abused to you?

What the fug has that photo got to do with a toddler being put into a cold shower as punishment?

And yes, they do look abused to me.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

What the fug has that photo got to do with a toddler being put into a cold shower as punishment?

GUYS

Its the UK ..in AUGUST ..INDOORS ...the child will be put in a towel and dressed probably after about 60 seconds.


This is SIBERIA. In winter ...

dickangel

Sardonicat wrote: »

What the fug has that photo got to do with a toddler being put into a cold shower as punishment?

The kids in the picture are having fun so the toddler being shoved into the cold shower must be too. Or something?