Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

Guys, this is why Thelonious views Eric Cartman as a racist - and if you click my post above, you see him thank it, showing he was aware of Cartman's post above.
Since this is indisputable proof that EricCartman is indeed racist, and people have been taking the piss trying to reflect theaccusation back onto Thelonious - then lets hear all people disputing either, come out and acknowledge that the above bolded quote is racist?My prediction: Not a single one of them defending Cartman will - because nearly all those posters are in the habit of 'concern trolling' - i.e. only pretending to give a shit about what they are acting so 'concerned' about, purely for rhetorical effect (e.g. like expressing concern for Greta while never missing an opportunity to use 'mental illness' to dampen the credibility of what she says) - and they will prove it, by trying to slip acknowledging the above blatant racism (as they don't care, when it's 'their side' of the debate...).

Singling out of posters and a continuous bizarre obsession with who 'thanks' what - is at best risible. Best actually discuss the topic which just happens to be gretas travels in the new world and stop throwing such ****e because some dont agree with others opinions.

KyussB

If my quoted post is to be considered off topic (I disagree), then your own above is off topic - so take your own advice.

Except: You're a hypocrite, and you label posts that way - knowing full well it's exclusively for the mods to decide that - for rhetorical effect.

splinter65

KyussB wrote: »

Are you in favour of ending trade of high-tech and goods with highly polluting externalities, from Communist China?

No - because you're a hypocrite who supports the produce of Communism when it suits you, and who goes on about emissions from China yet doesn't want to do the one major thing that would reduce it: Eliminate our - the western world's - demand for their produce.

Just like the rest of the pretend 'Anti-Communists' in the thread.

EDIT: Well, actually - credit where it's due:

I’m not in favour of ending trade with China because unlike you I’ve got a brain and can clearly see that millions and millions of ordinary Chinese people’s whole lives hinge on us buying the **** they get paid to produce.
Not buying the **** they get paid to produce will not result in the end of communism, it will just result in them being left to starve to death.
But they’re only chinese humans, why should you care about them?

Eric Cartman

KyussB wrote: »

Are you in favour of ending trade of high-tech and goods with highly polluting externalities, from Communist China?

No - because you're a hypocrite who supports the produce of Communism when it suits you, and who goes on about emissions from China yet doesn't want to do the one major thing that would reduce it: Eliminate our - the western world's - demand for their produce.

Just like the rest of the pretend 'Anti-Communists' in the thread.

EDIT: Well, actually - credit where it's due:

Its not that communism is better at producing anything or supported, its the oppressive structure, enforcement and questionable labour laws that communism always presents which reduce the price of production to such a point where these low quality pointless goods are dumped on world markets.

gozunda

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m not in favour of ending trade with China because unlike you I’ve got a brain and can clearly see that millions and millions of ordinary Chinese people’s whole lives hinge on us buying the **** they get paid to produce.Not buying the **** they get paid to produce will not result in the end of communism, it will just result in them being left to starve to death.But they’re only chinese humans, why should you care about them?

I agree that trade should not ended. There is a need for economies to continue to specialize in production of goods which are suited to different economies and workforces.

What needs to be proactively regulated is the production / importation of cheap goods - which are cheap only due to poor welfare and environmental conditions. Sanctions are one part of that.

The fact that China has effectively been given a free pass by the powers that be - to continue burning coal and building power stations whilst the rest of us are suppose to beat ourselves up over being obliged to travel for work or to provide for our families is just part of the extreme idiotocracy of the present movement which uses the teenager as a battering ram to convince us we all need this crazy utopian mirage.

sk8erboii

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its not that communism is better at producing anything or supported, its the oppressive structure, enforcement and questionable labour laws that communism always presents which reduce the price of production to such a point where these low quality pointless goods are dumped on world markets.

China in its contemporary form is in no way communist. Its historical analog would be Nazi Germany. (National Socialism to State Capitalism)

gozunda

sk8erboii wrote: »

China in its contemporary form is in no way communist. Its historical analog would be Nazi Germany. (National Socialism to State Capitalism)

The Chinese just might beg to differ on that ...

China anniversary: Beijing celebrations mark 70 years of Communist rule

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49808078

sk8erboii

gozunda wrote: »

The Chinese just might to beg to differ on that ...



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49808078

Nah that’s just rhetoric. Look at the actual systems rather than the party names

Eric Cartman

sk8erboii wrote: »

China in its contemporary form is in no way communist. Its historical analog would be Nazi Germany. (National Socialism to State Capitalism)

its just a standard communist in name authoritarian dictatorship where the party owns the people and sell their labour to companies so the party members and their families can profit.

Professor Moriarty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its just a standard communist in name authoritarian dictatorship where the party owns the people and sell their labour to companies so the party members and their families can profit.

Sounds just like capitalism in Trump's USA.

KyussB

So a basic TLDR: All the people spouting off against Communism, couldn't bare to think of doing without all of the cheap Communist Chinese goods - and in fact some are even now defending China as not being Communist.

Fairly priceless how fast the goalposts shift and contort once you point out the hypocrisy of these posters positions.

Eric Cartman

KyussB wrote: »

So a basic TLDR: All the people spouting off against Communism, couldn't bare to think of doing without all of the cheap Communist Chinese goods - and in fact some are even now defending China as not being Communist.

Fairly priceless how fast the goalposts shift and contort once you point out the hypocrisy of these posters positions.

I don't think thats whats happening at all, a shift away from chinese manufacturing would hurt the poor in china and poorer consumers worldwide and it makes communist chinas rampant labour abuses the 'lesser of two evils' than plunging even more people into poverty.

Jimmy Garlic

KyussB wrote: »

So a basic TLDR: All the people spouting off against Communism, couldn't bare to think of doing without all of the cheap Communist Chinese goods - and in fact some are even now defending China as not being Communist.

Fairly priceless how fast the goalposts shift and contort once you point out the hypocrisy of these posters positions.

What do you type your comments on Kim Jong Kyuss? Since the west was deindustrialised to the great satisfaction of enviroloons who still want to cripple whatever is left of western industry almost everything has been made in China.

KyussB

Well as it happens right now I'm posting through a Raspberry Pi which says 'made in the UK' on the PCB :pac:

Actually I think you'll find that the deindustrialization of the west and offshoring into Communist countries, was done precisely by the free-market-fetishist financial, business and political people, who are usually the most frothing-at-the-mouth against Communism - it's almost like they feed people bullshit about Anti-Communism and being Pro-Capitalist, while simultaneously pushing a massive boom in Communist economies, and promoting moves towards Oligarchy in western nations (which is incompatible with true Capitalism)...people lap it up, too.

Eric Cartman

KyussB wrote: »

Well as it happens right now I'm posting through a Raspberry Pi which says 'made in the UK' on the PCB :pac:

Actually I think you'll find that the deindustrialization of the west and offshoring into Communist countries, was done precisely by the free-market-fetishist financial, business and political people, who are usually the most frothing-at-the-mouth against Communism - it's almost like they feed people bullshit about Anti-Communism and being Pro-Capitalist, while simultaneously pushing a massive boom in Communist economies, and promoting moves towards Oligarchy in western nations (which is incompatible with true Capitalism)...people lap it up, too.

the pcb was assembled in the UK, the components on it are from china as is likely the power supply and the hdmi cable connecting it to a chinese monitor.

the move to china was always about labour cost , they use communism to provide labour at such a cheap rate it reduces prices. If people in western countries took more of a virtue in quality products than low prices then it never would have happened.

Its only thanks to capitalist desires for luxury goods that abuse free manufacturing continues. A rolls royce, bentley, range rover or bmw is assembled by well paid workers in safe factories in europe, a prius is assembled in what is little more than a sweatshop and its batteries lithium mined by children.

gozunda

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the pcb was assembled in the UK, the components on it are from china as is likely the power supply and the hdmi cable connecting it to a chinese monitor.

the move to china was always about labour cost , they use communism to provide labour at such a cheap rate it reduces prices. If people in western countries took more of a virtue in quality products than low prices then it never would have happened.

Its only thanks to capitalist desires for luxury goods that abuse free manufacturing continues. A rolls royce, bentley, range rover or bmw is assembled by well paid workers in safe factories in europe, a prius is assembled in what is little more than a sweatshop and its batteries lithium mined by children.

You are probably wasting your time. The righteous will continue pointing the fingers whilst ignoring the obvious and anything which does not suit the new revolutionary agenda.

lleti

Seems the media are more focused on criticising "middle aged white men" than discussing climate change.

It's hilarious really. The exact same thing got Trump elected and Brexit. Not listening or mocking a demographic just leads to divide.

Apparently there's only one opinion allowed, that Greta and what she is doing is the solution and whatever she wants is the solution. Anyone who may disagree in any way are called climate change deniers and are accused of becoming angry because of a kid. It's cult-like.

If Greta wants to stand up and tell governments to do things that are going to impact all our lives, she needs to accept adult criticism.

hetuzozaho

lleti wrote: »

If Greta wants to stand up and tell governments to do things that are going to impact all our lives, she needs to accept adult criticism.

She seems to have managed all the criticism really well. Even the nasty stuff.

Ash.J.Williams

hetuzozaho wrote: »

She seems to have managed all the criticism really well. Even the nasty stuff.

agreed

lleti

hetuzozaho wrote: »

She seems to have managed all the criticism really well. Even the nasty stuff.

Should have also included her supporters and media.

hetuzozaho

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

agreed

It's the people criticising her who seemed to have struggled the most in this thread anyway.

Some couldn't even stay within the rules of boards they were so effected by it all

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

If my quoted post is to be considered off topic (I disagree), then your own above is off topic - so take your own advice.Except: You're a hypocrite, and you label posts that way - knowing full well it's exclusively for the mods to decide that - for rhetorical effect.

Funnily enough - that simply rebounds on you. Calling a comment out as bizarre is just that. And nope - I said nothing about off-topic - you did. Again you engage in name calling and vainly try and play the poster. I think I'll leave at it as you clearly do not wish to actually engage with the discussion.

JJayoo

So much sexual tension in this thread, a couple of posters really need to just meet up and get it out of their systems.

gctest50

Eric Cartman wrote: »

........

. A rolls royce, bentley, range rover or bmw is assembled by well paid workers in safe factories in europe, .,......

Bmw is made in China

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A rolls royce, bentley, range rover or bmw is assembled by well paid workers in safe factories in europe,

gctest50 wrote: »

Bmw is made in China

From Media Release

Today, Jaguar Land Rover has opened its Chinese engine plant as part of its RMB10.9 billion joint venture with Chery Automobile Ltd. The state-of-the-art facility will manufacture the all-new Ingenium 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol engine for future Chery Jaguar Land Rover vehicles

Operations began at Chery Jaguar Land Rover's plant less than three years ago and since then it has manufactured more than 100,000 vehicles. It produces the Range Rover Evoque, Land Rover Discovery Sport and, exclusively for the Chinese market, the Jaguar XFL.

You're as consistent as ever Eric.

gozunda

gctest50 wrote: »

Bmw is made in China

The poster is not wrong. According to the companies blurb - BMW is headquartered in Munich and in Europe produces motor vehicles in Germany and the UK.

And yes BMW and others also produce vehicles for specific markets in other countries - this at least partially due to trade restrictions of importing such vehicles to those counties. China is a case in point

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

gctest50 wrote: »

Bmw is made in China

The poster is not wrong. According to the companies blurb - BMW is headquartered in Munich and in Europe produces motor vehicles in Germany and the UK.

And yes BMW also produces vehicles for specific markets in other countries - this at least partially due to trade restrictions of importing such vehicles to those counties. China is a case in point

The poster is wrong. As are you.

jimgoose

lleti wrote: »

...Anyone who may disagree in any way are called climate change deniers and are accused of becoming angry because of a kid. It's cult-like...

We're "triggered", apparently, and "enraged" by the sight of a teenage girl. Go figure. I'm only surprised that "gammon", one of the more nonsensical of these Neo-Politik words that have materialised, hasn't cropped up in this context. :pac:

lleti

jimgoose wrote: »

We're "triggered", apparently, and "enraged" by the sight of a teenage girl. Go figure. I'm only surprised that "gammon", one of the more nonsensical of these Neo-Politik words that have materialised, hasn't cropped up in this context. :pac:

Yes very true. They always go on about how they're for equality and treat people with respect yet they're going around with buzzwords and insults themselves.

jimgoose

Tell me how wrote: »

The poster is wrong. As are you.

Are you saying that BMW and VAG don't manufacture cars in Europe?