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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*
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A simple google search suggest it can be, if you look at all the descriptions.
Is this the same type of definition system that you have that deems that Parnell Park is Dublin's home pitch because Parnell Park is mentioned at the bottom of some website. :rolleyes::rolleyes::o:o
But you ignore the real world where Dublin senior men's team don't play any championship matches in Parnell Park.
15 seconds on google will tell you the difference.
Two major sources of funding are fundraising and sponsorship – it is a common mistake to confuse these two, and an even bigger challenge when they are treated the same. ... For the purposes of this article, fundraising includes grants, donations and events, and sponsorship includes providing marketing value.Nov 12, 2018
Fundraising vs. Sponsorship: Which Is Right For You? - CSAE ...0 -
So how should Dublin get sponsorship. Just sit around and hope some company approaches them
Talking about missing the point...
Not every county has the luxury of a full time commercial manager. I take you haven't much of a clue about how counties fundraise and the difficulties faced with a statement like that.0 -
FromADistance wrote: »Talking about missing the point...
Not every county has the luxury of a full time commercial manager. I take you haven't much of a clue about how counties fundraise and the difficulties faced with a statement like that.
But its not Dublin's fault if other counties haven't such people in place0 -
It's the same type of definition system that deems that dublin senior hurling has been a success post funding because they had a decent year about 10 years ago when they won a leinster and a league.0
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Of course Dublin has the most funding, it needs it because it has the most players, when its split it should continue to get the most money, I think that's obvious. That money isn't to be spent on county teams (apart from sponsorship) for the most part, but clubs.
The county absolutely has to be split, the demographic divide is way too big, no other county can compete with them. Interest in intercounty football is way down, there's a fierce sense of inevitability about it.
Kilkenny became dominant but we knew it couldn't last indefinitely because of the size of the county. Limerick may well dominate now, but that too will be temporary. With Dublin it has lasted longer than ever in history and we know it will continue because of the population.0 -
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flasher0030 wrote: »Is this the same type of definition system that you have that deems that Parnell Park is Dublin's home pitch because Parnell Park is mentioned at the bottom of some website. :rolleyes::rolleyes::o:o
But you ignore the real world where Dublin senior men's team don't play any championship matches in Parnell Park.
15 seconds on google will tell you the difference.
Two major sources of funding are fundraising and sponsorship – it is a common mistake to confuse these two, and an even bigger challenge when they are treated the same. ... For the purposes of this article, fundraising includes grants, donations and events, and sponsorship includes providing marketing value.Nov 12, 2018
Fundraising vs. Sponsorship: Which Is Right For You? - CSAE ...
As I said there are conflicting descriptions on both, but you choose the one that suits you, it your choice, well done, and as you have stated Parnell Park is the home of Dublin GAA, that is not up for discussion.0 -
FromADistance wrote: »Exactly, why would they bother when full time Dublin GAA employee, Tomas Quinn, knocks on doors for them to get the juicy corporate sponsorship money. No 10eurs in the biscuit tin jobbies. But according to folk on this thread there's no problem. Nothing to see here.
This is the GAA, an Amateur organisation, not the bloody Premiership.
The difference between having a full-time employee knocking up commercial opportunities and those in rural pubs on a Saturday night selling lottery tickets so that they can hand money over to a coach is one of scale rather than kind. By all means argue the point on Dublin on the basis of unsustainable competitive advantage but let's not overplay the amateur thing as if there's some innate moral superiority in having a parish of 400 people.0 -
The difference between having a full-time employee knocking up commercial opportunities and those in rural pubs on a Saturday night selling lottery tickets so that they can hand money over to a coach is one of scale rather than kind. By all means argue the point on Dublin on the basis of unsustainable competitive advantage but let's not overplay the amateur thing as if there's some innate moral superiority in having a parish of 400 people.
Theres a huge difference between the likes of Fermanagh depending on their supporters club to fundraise for games development personnel, or clubs in Cork coming together to self fund a gdo - compared to Dublin who get a subsidised gdo in every club, several million in sponsorship, a surplus of over 1m a year from commercial activities and zero need to fundraise. It beggars belief how unequitable it is - the gaa is giving the richest team the most resources, it wouldn't be tolerated in any other sport0 -
StupidLikeAFox wrote: »Theres a huge difference between the likes of Fermanagh depending on their supporters club to fundraise for games development personnel, or clubs in Cork coming together to self fund a gdo - compared to Dublin who get a subsidised gdo in every club, several million in sponsorship, a surplus of over 1m a year from commercial activities and zero need to fundraise. It beggars belief how unequitable it is - the gaa is giving the richest team the most resources, it wouldn't be tolerated in any other sport
It's telling how your answer doesn't touch the sides of the point I made about the comments on Tomás Quinn. If want to argue something different that's fine but you need to address it elsewhere.0 -
The difference between having a full-time employee knocking up commercial opportunities and those in rural pubs on a Saturday night selling lottery tickets so that they can hand money over to a coach is one of scale rather than kind. By all means argue the point on Dublin on the basis of unsustainable competitive advantage but let's not overplay the amateur thing as if there's some innate moral superiority in having a parish of 400 people.
In my opinion, the GAA is only as strong as the sum of its parts, as strong as its weakest link. Some people won't be happy until it goes fully pro. Dublin are as near a pro setup as one can get. 6 All Ireland's a row and no sign of that changing anytime soon. I'm certainly not moralising about how a parish club is financed vs a county setup but the current suitation where you have counties barely able to finance themselves is hardly sustainable. It's certainly more evident in these difficult times.
A commercial manager is a complete luxury for most counties, and lets be honest, for a lot of counties, the commercial opportunities that Dublin enjoy are just simply not there. So until the playing field is made more equitable when it comes to financial resources and Dublin is split for the greater good of the wider game, nothing will change.0 -
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It's telling how your answer doesn't touch the sides of the point I made about the comments on Tomás Quinn. If want to argue something different that's fine but you need to address it elsewhere.
The difference is that if another county wanted to employ a full time commercial manager, they would need to divert resources from somewhere else to do that, then hope that the guy is good enough to squeeze enough money from a limited pool of potential sponsors to cover his salary and make a decent profit to go back to development.
If the Dublin model of having professional chairmen, commercial directors and coaching staff is the way forward then the gaa need to step-in and help counties set that up, because Dublin can afford these things off their own back, other counties cant. And if that needs to come from pooled sponsorship, central resources etc then fair enough
Its not anti Dublin to propose this - it would benefit the entire gaa to have a more even playing field off the pitch0 -
Sunny Disposition wrote: »Of course Dublin has the most funding, it needs it because it has the most players, when its split it should continue to get the most money, I think that's obvious. That money isn't to be spent on county teams (apart from sponsorship) for the most part, but clubs.
The county absolutely has to be split, the demographic divide is way too big, no other county can compete with them. Interest in intercounty football is way down, there's a fierce sense of inevitability about it.
Kilkenny became dominant but we knew it couldn't last indefinitely because of the size of the county. Limerick may well dominate now, but that too will be temporary. With Dublin it has lasted longer than ever in history and we know it will continue because of the population.
If Dublin is to be split , there will have to be mergers , other wise
Dublin Gaa will never accept it0 -
superbluedub wrote: »If Dublin is to be split , there will have to be mergers , other wise
Dublin Gaa will never accept it
It'll never happen - you can't redraw one county's boundaries on the basis of population but then ignore all the others. It would be a radical change and the gaa don't really do radical changes0 -
The coaches go to schools for player recruitment and coaching but their main role is within the club they're hired by. Developing talent within the club, coaching other coaches etc is their main duty. They also develop elite talent, organise camps etc. Their influence is huge.
Every club would love to have someone like this on board. It would be of enormous benefit. You want it ignored but the fact that this was only available for Dublin clubs is the major issue. Why wasn't it made available across the country? Why was the finance ring fenced for Dublin?
Most clubs can't afford these coaches. Even with the enormous wealth in Dublin, they are still claiming the money to pay for half the coaches wages. The huge impact the professional coaches have made to standards in Dublin is obvious and has been admitted to by high level employees of Dublin GAA.
It has been ongoing since 2002, every other county have had to operate with limited resources while Dublin had access to their own special fund. It should never have happened to begin with and the realisation that it has to be stopped is dawning on many.
You keep coming out with this trip, jesus this thread is like Groundhog Day. The GAA don’t drop a coach in nearly every club in dublins. A few pages back you told us they had provided 90 coaches. Then it was 72. On top of that you don’t even have a solid figure on the number of clubs in dublin. The numbers of games development personell for dublin have been provided in links already. At a generous push it’s mid 60’s (you might tell us which job titles you want to include) the clubs paid for half of that. That works out at around 30 people provided for dublin by the GAA to develop the game with kids.
What’s ghat, it was a special dublin only project? Well yes it was . Why was that I wonder. Two obvious reasons: the first was GAA self interest. A realisation that they’d neglected one of their cash cows and it was dying. The rest of the GAA basically didn’t want to lose the money dublin could ultimately provide them with. The second if you read the Leinster council proceedings was that this was a new approach because the GAA were sick of development funds finding their way into other county spends. This was a trial of a project that had full oversight and accountability to ensure the money was spent on development and not on the inter county team. Read that last sentence again because it’s fundamental to what the project was. Not dublin inter county, building the game across dublin.
When you tell us everyone else only got 6 fully funded maybe you could acknowledge that dublin getting 5x the coaches paid for might reflect that they have more than 5x the people to spread the game to than many of those. That’s before you allocate the rest of the GD spend that clearly is not distributed in the same ratios.
What’s that you say? But cork only got 6 with so many people? You give me cork and I’ll raise you Leitrim. Maybe you should talk to the GAA about how they define the coaching needs. Certainly on a per capita Leinster for example with 118 resources dedicated to games dev is doing far better than dublin at the moment.
What’s that you say, but the clubs spent their own money to hire coaches? Fair ****s to them, it’s their money. Absolutely no reason a club or group of clubs elsewhere couldn’t be doing the same. Apart from they couldn’t be arsed. And yes that should mean they get some say on how the coaches time is used. I’ve seen the efforts my own club has put into raising funds to develop the facilities and I’ve seen the challenges it’s faced so please don’t try this ****e that the dublin clubs have it easy somehow
Oh but you say dublin have all this sponsor revenue. Again fair ****s to them. When counties can say with a straight face that they’ve looked to maximise what they can, by incrementally growing their brand,like dublin and Kerry are, like cork are starting to I’ll be open to the idea of some redistribution of a portion. While they still want to sit on their hand and beggar their neighbors not so much. Maybe if they’d started that a decade ago instead of laughing at the dubs strategic plan they’d be a bit closer now.0 -
SheepsClothing wrote: »I didn't know London and New York were counties. Good to learn something new.
Well if population is such an advantage those two should be cleaning up.....0 -
Yes, all counties should demand fair funding as one of the key elements of this movement. Splitting Dublin is central to it as well though. Without that, we would be allowing one county compete on a professional basis. It would be contrary to the ideals of fair play.
You still refuse to define fair apart from some wishy washy “a committee would look at it” . Is it roughly per capita for example? If it is then when all gd funding is split dublins will get an increase for example0 -
SheepsClothing wrote: »It shouldn't be that complicated. Splits are by their nature, less alienating than amalgamations. Somebody who was born and raised in the Fingal County Council area has been affiliated and thought of themselves as part of that area for much of/all of their life.
Somebody born and raised in Monaghan, has never affiliated themselves with being from Cavan, in fact they consider Cavan their rival. If suddenly, the Mavan senior football team is formed, that Monaghan supporter is going to have much harder time supporting the Mavan team, than the former Dublin supporter will have supporting Fingal.
There's also the fact that splitting Dublin is the path of least resistance to bringing about some semblance of competition. Splitting Dublin and disfranchising one counties support(I personally think it would drive support) for the benefit of the other 31, is easier than disenfranchising the other 31 counties in order to suit the one runaway train county.
You’re clearly not a dub so. People in fingal have basically no affiliation to fingal, it’s basically an artificial construct to most people. They consider themselves Dubliners primarily. Basically you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Since that doesn’t matter to you then amalgamation should be just as palatable. Don’t worry if some counties are traditional rivals, that could be resolved by splitting the county, say split Kerry in two and merge half with part of cork for example and half with another with part of Limerick. The two Kerry’s would quickly develop a strong rivalry (Actually to be fairly to Leitrim we could of course have franchises equal to the population size of that county but that probably gets cumbersome)
When you say some semblance of competition I assume what you mean is a return to the status quo? It certainly won’t help the leitrims or make Munster more competitive given it hasn’t been for over a century. Strange that that version of uncompetitive is ok for you.0 -
FromADistance wrote: »A link from 2015. A handy corporate gig at 3k a pop. I see.
Well, if Kerry and Mayo can have their corporate gigs in the states at a grand a plate I don’t see why dublin shouldn’t have a dinner too
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20335403.html%3ftype=amp
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/33682-new-york-fundraiser-a-game-changer0 -
I think a lot of people are forgetting that sponsorship is fundraising.
I think a lot of people would like to forget that, or at least be selective with which numbers they use from each. Funny how were expected to picture fundraising as wee David Clifford shaking a bucket for change outside mass instead of corporate shindigs0 -
Well, if Kerry and Mayo can have their corporate gigs in the states at a grand a plate I don’t see why dublin shouldn’t have a dinner too
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20335403.html%3ftype=amp
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/33682-new-york-fundraiser-a-game-changer
You should have a read over the article below.
Dublin reign supreme - but where does your county rank on the 2018 GAA rich list?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html0 -
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StupidLikeAFox wrote: »The difference is that if another county wanted to employ a full time commercial manager, they would need to divert resources from somewhere else to do that, then hope that the guy is good enough to squeeze enough money from a limited pool of potential sponsors to cover his salary and make a decent profit to go back to development.
If the Dublin model of having professional chairmen, commercial directors and coaching staff is the way forward then the gaa need to step-in and help counties set that up, because Dublin can afford these things off their own back, other counties cant. And if that needs to come from pooled sponsorship, central resources etc then fair enough
Its not anti Dublin to propose this - it would benefit the entire gaa to have a more even playing field off the pitch
Dublin took a risk to make it happen as part of a strategic plan that the rest of the country ridiculed them for. The money dublin can generate didn’t happen overnight, their sponsorship model has been grown over a long time. If their commercial manager wasn’t paying his way he’d be shown the door like in any well run organization.
That said, given so many counties wasted the last decade instead of setting good structures up, the GAA should probably fund a program to accelerate this stuff, using the dublin template.0 -
FromADistance wrote: »You should have a read over the article below and come back to me like a good lad.
Dublin reign supreme - but where does your county rank on the 2018 GAA rich list?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html
You should have a read back over the thread and see we’ve done this to death many times0 -
StupidLikeAFox wrote: »Theres a huge difference between the likes of Fermanagh depending on their supporters club to fundraise for games development personnel, or clubs in Cork coming together to self fund a gdo - compared to Dublin who get a subsidised gdo in every club, several million in sponsorship, a surplus of over 1m a year from commercial activities and zero need to fundraise. It beggars belief how unequitable it is - the gaa is giving the richest team the most resources, it wouldn't be tolerated in any other sport
Again the lies about a gdo in every club0 -
Again the lies about a gdo in every club
Seems like something or someone has hit a raw nerve with Titium.
Seems like the truth is starting to hit home.
At the end of the day, 6 in a row is some achievement. And 7 will be, and 8 will be and so on. It may be overshadowed by the commercial side of things, which the likes of Kilkenny and Kerry didn't have to endure. But the world is more capitalist now than it was, and money makes the world go round.
Hopefully, in some way, the GAA can provide some semblance of financial benefit to the other counties, to allow them to progress, in the same way it did for Dublin.0 -
Is there an argument to be made for giving dublin more money to allow them to progress at senior hurling level?
0 all irelands in a row post funding is an awful return.0 -
flasher0030 wrote: »Seems like something or someone has hit a raw nerve with Titium.
Seems like the truth is starting to hit home.
At the end of the day, 6 in a row is some achievement. And 7 will be, and 8 will be and so on. It may be overshadowed by the commercial side of things, which the likes of Kilkenny and Kerry didn't have to endure. But the world is more capitalist now than it was, and money makes the world go round.
Hopefully, in some way, the GAA can provide some semblance of financial benefit to the other counties, to allow them to progress, in the same way it did for Dublin.
Just before we continue, are you also arguing that every club in dublin got a subsidised gdo? Bear in mind, that’s been pretty comprehensively debunked at this stage, even one of the posters who started with it has been scrabbling to adjust their numbers
No problem with the GAA funding other counties btw, I’ve been agreeing with that for a lot of this thread. The GAA has been financially lopsided for a lot longer than the dublin plan existed ( this thread has covered Kerry’s financials over the years quite well) so giving others a lift would be applauded. However it also needs counties to want to evolve and move forward in areas like sponsorship. It’s all well and good whinging about the dubs but the reality is the commercial strides dublin made are incredible, and not on the back of being dominant, on the back of realising they had massive untapped value. And before someone argues that the funding caused that value, I suppose in a way it did, but not in the way that’s been argued. What it did do is expose a huge chunk of dublins potential market to the GAA through getting kids and their parents involved in the games, which is gold to a sponsor.0 -
You keep coming out with this trip, jesus this thread is like Groundhog Day. The GAA don’t drop a coach in nearly every club in dublins. A few pages back you told us they had provided 90 coaches. Then it was 72. On top of that you don’t even have a solid figure on the number of clubs in dublin. The numbers of games development personell for dublin have been provided in links already. At a generous push it’s mid 60’s (you might tell us which job titles you want to include) the clubs paid for half of that. That works out at around 30 people provided for dublin by the GAA to develop the game with kids.
What’s ghat, it was a special dublin only project? Well yes it was . Why was that I wonder. Two obvious reasons: the first was GAA self interest. A realisation that they’d neglected one of their cash cows and it was dying. The rest of the GAA basically didn’t want to lose the money dublin could ultimately provide them with. The second if you read the Leinster council proceedings was that this was a new approach because the GAA were sick of development funds finding their way into other county spends. This was a trial of a project that had full oversight and accountability to ensure the money was spent on development and not on the inter county team. Read that last sentence again because it’s fundamental to what the project was. Not dublin inter county, building the game across dublin.
When you tell us everyone else only got 6 fully funded maybe you could acknowledge that dublin getting 5x the coaches paid for might reflect that they have more than 5x the people to spread the game to than many of those. That’s before you allocate the rest of the GD spend that clearly is not distributed in the same ratios.
What’s that you say? But cork only got 6 with so many people? You give me cork and I’ll raise you Leitrim. Maybe you should talk to the GAA about how they define the coaching needs. Certainly on a per capita Leinster for example with 118 resources dedicated to games dev is doing far better than dublin at the moment.
What’s that you say, but the clubs spent their own money to hire coaches? Fair ****s to them, it’s their money. Absolutely no reason a club or group of clubs elsewhere couldn’t be doing the same. Apart from they couldn’t be arsed. And yes that should mean they get some say on how the coaches time is used. I’ve seen the efforts my own club has put into raising funds to develop the facilities and I’ve seen the challenges it’s faced so please don’t try this ****e that the dublin clubs have it easy somehow
Oh but you say dublin have all this sponsor revenue. Again fair ****s to them. When counties can say with a straight face that they’ve looked to maximise what they can, by incrementally growing their brand,like dublin and Kerry are, like cork are starting to I’ll be open to the idea of some redistribution of a portion. While they still want to sit on their hand and beggar their neighbors not so much. Maybe if they’d started that a decade ago instead of laughing at the dubs strategic plan they’d be a bit closer now.
You're all over the place here.Then you're adding coaches onto every other county and taking away coaches from Dublin.
I provided you with the link to the clubs on Dublin GAA's website. If you go through them, all the teams in the top divisions in hurling and football have a professional coach. Just backing up again that this is more about elite development than participation. And why do the smaller clubs not have a coach?
In the Dublin only scheme, the clubs pay for half the wages of the coach. Without the millions pumped in, they would not have been able to afford it. This was only available in Dublin. Trying to reduce the number of coaches in Dublin is more of your fantasy land stuff.
No one has denied that the reason Dublin got the special treatment and the millions of euros more than everyone else was because the GAA wanted to increase revenue. That's pretty obvious. As you've had to admit, there were many counties in a worse position than Dublin but they were ignored. The revenue from 4 new counties will not fall, it will increase, especially with more competitive football championships.
You've already noted that some of the smaller clubs didn't get access to a coach, that shows it was only about building the game at an elite level. The plan was drawn up for Dublin in 2002, what's that nonsense you are spouting about the trial project?
Everyone had 6 or fewer coaches, again, you've been forced to acknowledge this. Most counties had 3 or 4. Dublin had many multiples more. Your 5 or 6 is more fantasy. And again, Cork with more clubs and registered players got fractions of what Dublin got. What are you on about raise me Leitrim? Every county got in and around the same. Leitrim or Antrim or Galway or Monaghan. Only Dublin were way out of line. Again, where's this 118 number coming from? You still trying to add in administrative staff and third level coaches, even those for Dublin universities? :pac:
You know why clubs elsewhere couldn't do this as it was a Dublin only scheme. It was not available anywhere else. And by the way, where do the Dublin clubs get their money? The wealth is in Dublin, huge employment is in Dublin. Many people from all corners of Ireland live in Dublin and many send their kids to the club in their locality. That's where the funding comes from. As has been noted, these clubs having huge resources will assist the 4 counties in the split.
Dublin have raised sponsorship off the back of the special scheme that was drawn up and funded for them. That's the key. Dublin now have the money to spend over 2 million on salaries per year, 2 million on expenses, 1.5 million on team preparations and now 3.8 million on games development.
Remember, the games development funding went on increasing standards in Dublin GAA, to do this they focused mainly on those between 8 and 18. These numbered 30,000 or under in Dublin for registered players. So the millions of euros and the huge number of coaches went on developing this number. It obviously has been extremely successful but it was done unfairly. 2 decades of lopsided funding has left us with a professional organisation remaining. Time to end it.0 -
You're all over the place here. You are struggling to put a coherent sentence together. Then you're adding coaches onto every other county and taking away coaches from Dublin.
I provided you with the link to the clubs on Dublin GAA's website. If you go through them, all the teams in the top divisions in hurling and football have a professional coach. Just backing up again that this is more about elite development than participation. And why do the smaller clubs not have a coach?
In the Dublin only scheme, the clubs pay for half the wages of the coach. Without the millions pumped in, they would not have been able to afford it. This was only available in Dublin. Trying to reduce the number of coaches in Dublin is more of your fantasy land stuff.
No one has denied that the reason Dublin got the special treatment and the millions of euros more than everyone else was because the GAA wanted to increase revenue. That's pretty obvious. As you've had to admit, there were many counties in a worse position than Dublin but they were ignored. The revenue from 4 new counties will not fall, it will increase, especially with more competitive football championships.
You've already noted that some of the smaller clubs didn't get access to a coach, that shows it was only about building the game at an elite level. The plan was drawn up for Dublin in 2002, what's that nonsense you are spouting about the trial project?
Everyone had 6 or fewer coaches, again, you've been forced to acknowledge this. Most counties had 3 or 4. Dublin had many multiples more. Your 5 or 6 is more fantasy. And again, Cork with more clubs and registered players got fractions of what Dublin got. What are you on about raise me Leitrim? Every county got in and around the same. Leitrim or Antrim or Galway or Monaghan. Only Dublin were way out of line. Again, where's this 118 number coming from? You still trying to add in administrative staff and third level coaches, even those for Dublin universities? :pac:
You know why clubs elsewhere couldn't do this as it was a Dublin only scheme. It was not available anywhere else. And by the way, where do the Dublin clubs get their money? The wealth is in Dublin, huge employment is in Dublin. Many people from all corners of Ireland live in Dublin and many send their kids to the club in their locality. That's where the funding comes from. As has been noted, these clubs having huge resources will assist the 4 counties in the split.
Dublin have raised sponsorship off the back of the special scheme that was drawn up and funded for them. That's the key. Dublin now have the money to spend over 2 million on salaries per year, 2 million on expenses, 1.5 million on team preparations and now 3.8 million on games development.
Remember, the games development funding went on increasing standards in Dublin GAA, to do this they focused mainly on those between 8 and 18. These numbered 30,000 or under in Dublin for registered players. So the millions of euros and the huge number of coaches went on developing this number. It obviously has been extremely successful but it was done unfairly. 2 decades of lopsided funding has left us with a professional organisation remaining. Time to end it.
Pure fantasy stuff from you again. You can’t even be bothered at this stage to address the facts that destroy your argument and selective use of data. Just the same tired old crying about big bad dublin and dishonest information. You’ve even taken to doubling down your position and attributing things to me that never actually occurred. Tragic in its own way0 -
Pure fantasy stuff from you again. You can’t even be bothered at this stage to address the facts that destroy your argument and selective use of data. Just the same tired old crying about big bad dublin and dishonest information. You’ve even taken to doubling down your position and attributing things to me that never actually occurred. Tragic in its own way
Everything I post is backed up with evidence. You came in with information that most people know and were trying to claim it was some top secret, hidden information. When it was pointed out that it just covers 6 or less coaches for every other county, you then tried to fiddle the numbers. You were caught out badly trying to add administrative personnel and third level college coaches onto other counties. And even after that. The numbers were still skewed in favour of Dublin.
Look, you'll never accept it but to draw up a plan specifically for one county and to pump millions into that county to put the plan into action was an incredibly unfair and unjust decision. Especially when it was the governing body of the sport that backed it. It was wrong and as has been pointed out, it snowballed to where Dublin GAA have resources far beyond everyone else. One thing led to another, improved standards to increased sponsorship and so on. The final step on that is the splitting of Dublin. It has been on the table for decades. After the funding scandal, it has to happen now.0 -
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/the-dubs-and-money-q-a-pat-teehan-v-john-connellan-1.4470939?mode=amp
Mr Connellan came across quite poor here, I’ll prepared, corrected on the majority of his points and backed down on them. He’s doing the naysayers no good in not having his ducks in a row before debating. Pat Teehan schooled him.0
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