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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*
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Floppybits wrote: »That is Dr Slack McCaffrey to you?
Imagine the skeletons that would be uncovered if there were audits done on all the county boards in the country?
County boards are one of the biggest problems in the GAA. Alot of them are run by a wink and a nod culture. In some counties the County board treatment of the intercounty teams is terrible, the impression you get from the County Board is that players should be glad they are getting to represent the county and like the old saying a "child should be seen and not heard". The Dublin County Board was slated in a report done in the early 00's that made county board sit up and get their house sorted and now we are seeing the results of this on the pitch.
Most of the grumbling in most counties is about how crap the county boards are and how they waste money on their own crap projects or half arsed implementation of plans after they get the money.
In saying that this is not unique to the GAA, look at the FAI and the charities. There seems to be something ingrained in the culture.
GDF funds are, as others have pointed out, tightly controlled and regulated with oversite by the GAA, as they are in Dublin's case. They are separate and different to other sources of funds like sponsorship and the like.
That some Dubs continue to confuse the two is frankly bizarre. They either do it through ignorance or else deliberately to muddy the waters.
GDF is used to fund GDF officers, essentially professional coaches. The amount of money provided to Dublin for this purpose has vastly outweighed that given to other counties in the last decade and its very difficult if not impossible to waste that money given the conditions imposed by the GAA. Dublin have received far more assistance from the GAA for GDF than every other county, leading to a significant headstart in this regard, particularly as it was ring fenced for Dublin up until recently.0 -
Floppybits wrote: »That is Dr Slack McCaffrey to you?
Imagine the skeletons that would be uncovered if there were audits done on all the county boards in the country?
County boards are one of the biggest problems in the GAA. Alot of them are run by a wink and a nod culture. In some counties the County board treatment of the intercounty teams is terrible, the impression you get from the County Board is that players should be glad they are getting to represent the county and like the old saying a "child should be seen and not heard". The Dublin County Board was slated in a report done in the early 00's that made county board sit up and get their house sorted and now we are seeing the results of this on the pitch.
Most of the grumbling in most counties is about how crap the county boards are and how they waste money on their own crap projects or half arsed implementation of plans after they get the money.
In saying that this is not unique to the GAA, look at the FAI and the charities. There seems to be something ingrained in the culture.
There’s a lot of truth in your post. It’s worth noting however that no-one here has proved what seems to be the original premise - that the massive disparity in funding only came into place because there were no concerns of wastage (or worse) with Dublin county board.
It would be a very bad look for the GAA were that somehow true (it’s not as far as I can tell), we’re not going to spend games and development funding in these counties because of their county boards, hard luck children.
As I said already, as far as I am aware, there is thorough oversight of central funding. As in this case with Galway, funds wasted, inappropriately spent, etc will be funds generated within the county; sponsorship, gates income, etc. Disgraceful if true but not really relevant to the behemoth of Dublin funding.0 -
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »Help?
Dublin do not have any sugar daddy like Mayo's Tim O'Leary, they have no GAA centre of excellence like Tyrone, Donegal, Galway. Kerry etc
You would swear other counties are playing matches in thier bare feet the way you are talking!
How many improprieties with finances / mismanagement of finances have you heard from Dublin GAA? How many have you heard from other county boards?
It is a clear cultural divide in my view which is the root of the problem.
Who you know, not what you know - 'nod and wink culture' with some county boards.
That culture has to change or more money will not make a damn bit of difference.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/chairman-claims-he-blocked-nothing-during-probe-into-mismanagement-of-galway-county-board-finances-892809.html
https://galwaydaily.com/news/galway-treasurer-slams-e45000-of-personal-expenses-on-gaa-credit-card/
https://punditarena.com/gaa/smcmahon/galway-gaa-rotten-core-financial/
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/pat-nolan-cork-galway-wont-13765601
The right people have to be put in charge, for the right reasons.
Mayo and other counties should not be reliant on sugar daddies or the like. But its the unfortunate reality for most if not all counties outside super-rich Dublin who don't even have to fundraise.
What happened the proceeds of some of the Dublin fundraising nights by the way? I heard mention on here of 10k a table events, yet Dublin accounts only showed 50k fundraised most years.
The reality for most counties outside Dublin, is beg and borrow to get funds, where-ever they can. No significant GAA funding for their player development for example.
You also continue to peddle the nonsense that other counties shouldn't be entitled to any GDF until they get their house in order, further displaying an ignorance of how GDF is allocated and overseen.
Dublin were a basketcase up to about 2002. The GAA stepped in and pumped in massive money but crucially with strict oversite. Every county should be entitled to that, but if they got the same level of funding as Dublin, it would cost something like 40 million annually. Bertie and the GAA had to make decisions in 2002. And shock horror, Bertie decided to ring fence it for the Dubs only. The greatest sugar daddy of them all
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Exactly but they are not above board with thier fianancies to said sugar daddy why is that?ToBeFrank123 wrote: »Mayo and other counties should not be reliant on sugar daddies or the like. But its the unfortunate reality for most if not all counties outside super-rich Dublin who don't even have to fundraise.What happened the proceeds of some of the Dublin fundraising nights by the way? I heard mention on here of 10k a table events, yet Dublin accounts only showed 50k fundraised most years.
I am not aware of that story you will have to fill me in on the details and the source.The reality for most counties outside Dublin, is beg and borrow to get funds, where-ever they can. No significant GAA funding for their player development for example.
You also continue to peddle the nonsense that other counties shouldn't be entitled to any GDF until they get their house in order, further displaying an ignorance of how GDF is allocated and overseen.
So would you consider giving money to the Galway county board for example.
Would the Galway people be able to trust those in charge of the purse strings?Dublin were a basketcase up to about 2002. The GAA stepped in and pumped in massive money but crucially with strict oversite. Every county should be entitled to that, but if they got the same level of funding as Dublin, it would cost something like 40 million annually. Bertie and the GAA had to make decisions in 2002. And shock horror, Bertie decided to ring fence it for the Dubs only. The greatest sugar daddy of them all
So you admit Dublin were underfunded drastically and needed fixing otherwise the GAA and not just Dublin would have been in serious trouble?
The "something like €40m annually" reads like something David Drumm from Anglo-Irish did - 'picking a a figure out of his arse'
As for Bertie Ahern crucially it was transparent above board and had a plan a structure -
Parnell Park redevelopment example -
The €3.3 million budget for the project was, in the end, funded from a number of sources. The Leinster Council provided a £500,000 loan, and Croke Park a £500,000 grant. Bertie provided around £400,000 from State coffers, and clubs paid contributions of anything from £2,500 (junior club) to £15,000 (senior club). Season tickets were sold in bulk to clubs, which then sold them on; the proceeds of this scheme were used to repay the loans.Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »Ah come on Dublin should be winning at least two or three sams per decade given population advantage etc. Look at Kerry's average, The reality was Dublin GAA was badly run it was viewed as a culchie sport. in fact many non-Dubs used to play on Dublin County teams. Dublin was an out and out soccer county for most of it's existance. The populace was more interested in Drums v Bohs. Jimmy Keaveney used to be embarrassed to tell people he was a Dublin footballer in the mid 1960's that's how low it was.
I think you are confusing cause and effect with the funding Dublin received
Dublin were very lucky to win sam in 2011 - Kerry were much the better team.
Dublin only beat Wexford by one goal in the 2011 Leinster final.
Dublin were nearly ambushed by Jim McGuinness 'revolutionary' defensive tactics in the SF. Dublin were extremely fortunate that Donegal missed a goal chance that would have killed the game.
In the final in 2011 Kerry thought they had it won and eased off the Kevin Mc goal caught them cold, against the run of play.
To imply that Dublin would not have won the 2011 final only for funding is being blind to the vagaries of sport, tactics, nous and the human condition.
Also from that 2011 final there were 11 Dublin players still the panel for the 2019 championship season. In contrast Kerry only had two survivors.
That tells the real story.
I think you are takin the p*ss at this stage.
You are advocating rigging funding so Dublin win at least 2-3 a decade. I've heard it all now.
Even Bertie admitted Kerry were doing great stuff and all for free. And he wanted to reproduce that in Dublin but could only do it with huge amounts of money.
Why couldn't Dublin do it for free? Why did they need huge funds just to compete? And why were those funds denied to every other county?
But at least you admit what we will knew already, All-Irelands bought with major funding, because they couldn't win them without it. Thanks for clearing that up 0
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