The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Massive spending no doubt about it. You would imagine it couldnt be topped.
And yet, despite having food and accommodation sponsored - which mayo dont - dublin still manage to outspend them in a per game basis. What the hell are they spending it on? Solid gold boots?
I suppose the difference is, I can say it is massive spending that my county is doing. I wont blame everyone and anyone and claim it is 31v1, and all that other bs. That is where we differ

Except Dublin don’t outspend them on a per game basis. Why do you continue to post unsubstantiated rubbish?

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

Except Dublin don’t outspend them on a per game basis. Why do you continue to post unsubstantiated rubbish?

I get it from the figures handed out by both counties... Per game, the Dublin senior football team spend more than anyone, mayo included.
When you consider that all their food and hotels are sponsored, and they dont really have transport costs, it begs the question, how could they physically manage to spend so much? It isnt as if the other counties are being thrifty either they have the best of everything.

You are around long enough now to know where that comes from. Which means it is a fair assumption to make that you are just deliberately lying about it at this stage...

The gaa should be pushing for the spending of senior intercoumty teams to be itemised. There is too much money involved for it not to be.

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I get it from the figures handed out by both counties... Per game, the Dublin senior football team spend more than anyone, mayo included.
When you consider that all their food and hotels are sponsored, and they dont really have transport costs, it begs the question, how could they physically manage to spend so much? It isnt as if the other counties are being thrifty either they have the best of everything.

You are around long enough now to know where that comes from. Which means it is a fair assumption to make that you are just deliberately lying about it at this stage...

The gaa should be pushing for the spending of senior intercoumty teams to be itemised. There is too much money involved for it not to be.

There are no separate figures produced for the expenses of the senior football teams only. The figures are the total of expenses for all of the inter-county teams of the county - hurling, football, camogie, men's, women's, senior, minor, U-21 etc.

Your per game claim is rubbish.

Squareball

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

The gaa should be pushing for the spending of senior intercoumty teams to be itemised. There is too much money involved for it not to be.

I agree with that!

Squareball

tritium wrote: »

Did it have an impact on making gaelic games accessible to many kids in the capital at an early age who might otherwise have been lost. Yeah, sure. Tbh I’m not sure how anyone interested in promoting Gaelic games would see that as a bad thing. The GAA clearly don’t since they’ve looked to build initiatives like Turas to continue this across Leinster.

Did it lead to the current golden generation. No, not really. Players like Cluxton and the Brogans were already committed before the money to develop young players arrived. It will only be the next generation, such as Murchan, that you might see the benefit of the development funds. I do think that the success of this golden generation will probably do more to bring kids to GAA than any amount of funding though

Could not have said it any better!!

MayoAreMagic

tritium wrote: »

Did it lead to the current golden generation. No, not really. Players like Cluxton and the Brogans were already committed before the money to develop young players arrived. It will only be the next generation, such as Murchan, that you might see the benefit of the development funds. I do think that the success of this golden generation will probably do more to bring kids to GAA than any amount of funding though

But the brogans havent been starters for Dublin for years, one is retired with years also. Cluxton fair enough, but one player doesnt prove a whole lot. In fact, only being able to name one player kinda proves the opposite - that the new generation have utterly surpassed the previous level of player to the point where their one time goto forward cant get even a sniff of gametime.

I dont agree that it starts with murchan and that generation. Mccaffrey, kilkenny, mccarthy etc have benefited from that coaching also. It might not have been in place since they were toddlers, but it doesnt need to be for them to improve because of it. I dont buy this thing that because their fathers played, they were always going to be top players either. The difference between willie joe and billy joe padden is testament to that. In fact it is rarely the case, across any sport, that the son of a top level player is as good as the father used to be. Top level coaching will have developed their skillset the same as everyone else. McCarthy was probably always going to be an elite athlete, but the ballskills arr a different story, they dont come simply because someone else before you honed them. They must be developed and coached.

Strumms

And they are, firstly at their clubs, at underage levels, by the parents, friends parents of parents , coaches etc.... all whom have day jobs. It happens in a field, with grass, goalposts and footballs and a bunch of their mates... coached by people who are by trade, Gardai, bus drivers, doctors, airport workers, supermarket workers, retired etc... or, can you name these professional coaches ? These mystery men ?

If they make it to the inter county team they play along side... teachers, doctors, students, tax consultants, physiotherapists etc... to name just a few of the professions that the Dublin players have, all of them are gainfully employed or are students. The management team again range from the likes of airport workers, Irish Aviation Authority employees etc... so again, the laughable notion of somehow a professional Dublin team, erm, no. Brilliant, successful, stylish and many other applicable plaudits....yes..

MayoAreMagic

Strumms wrote: »

And they are, firstly at their clubs, at underage levels, by the parents, friends parents of parents , coaches etc.... all whom have day jobs. It happens in a field, with grass, goalposts and footballs and a bunch of their mates... coached by people who are by trade, Gardai, bus drivers, doctors, airport workers, supermarket workers, retired etc... or, can you name these professional coaches ? These mystery men ?

If they make it to the inter county team they play along side... teachers, doctors, students, tax consultants, physiotherapists etc... to name just a few of the professions that the Dublin players have, all of them are gainfully employed or are students. The management team again range from the likes of airport workers, Irish Aviation Authority employees etc... so again, the laughable notion of somehow a professional Dublin team, erm, no. Brilliant, successful, stylish and many other applicable plaudits....yes..

But all players are coached this way. For some, this is the only way they ever get coached until they are adults. I dont get what point you are trying to make here. It is clear that from this point, dublin have another layer of high performance coaching that others just dont get and that this is the relevant point to the discussion - not mystery men but full time coaches that are referenced often by the gaa. We can see that this has helped them massively, all you have to do is look at the quality of player they started producing post investment and compare it to the level of player they produced pre-investment for this to become very clear.

I dont get what their profession has to do with anything. Although I would be interested to see the actual day to day work they do and the hours they put in in these professions compared to someone who isnt a dublin intercounty footballer.

ArielAtom

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

But all players are coached this way. For some, this is the only way they ever get coached until they are adults. I dont get what point you are trying to make here. It is clear that from this point, dublin have another layer of high performance coaching that others just dont get and that this is the relevant point to the discussion - not mystery men but full time coaches that are referenced often by the gaa. We can see that this has helped them massively, all you have to do is look at the quality of player they started producing post investment and compare it to the level of player they produced pre-investment for this to become very clear.

I dont get what their profession has to do with anything. Although I would be interested to see the actual day to day work they do and the hours they put in in these professions compared to someone who isnt a dublin intercounty footballer.

I would love to see this in action. We have GDO or whatever they are called. Our lads are now 1st year minor, so u17. SInce they were 5 we have had 4 sessions where the GDO took the session. Otherwise he spends his time in schools coaching large groups, they are not all destined to play for the local club let alone Dublin. My lad has been involved with development squads, no special state of the art coaches in them, just club lads giving up their time to coach county, much like it is all around Ireland. You see it is not much different in Dublin to any other county with regards to the structures.

SelmaHayek

ArielAtom wrote: »

I would love to see this in action. We have GDO or whatever they are called. Our lads are now 1st year minor, so u17. SInce they were 5 we have had 4 sessions where the GDO took the session. Otherwise he spends his time in schools coaching large groups, they are not all destined to play for the local club let alone Dublin. My lad has been involved with development squads, no special state of the art coaches in them, just club lads giving up their time to coach county, much like it is all around Ireland. You see it is not much different in Dublin to any other county with regards to the structures.

Why do clubs pay half the wages of these GDO's if they are of no benefit to them?

ArielAtom

SelmaHayek wrote: »

Why do clubs pay half the wages of these GDO's if they are of no benefit to them?

The structure the sessions for new coaches, some kids join from schools, are generally good administrators and are there to assist if a particular group might need assistance. Some groups might not have a parent who played GAA and are just there to help in anyway possible. Hope that answers you query.

SelmaHayek

ArielAtom wrote: »

The structure the sessions for new coaches, some kids join from schools, are generally good administrators and are there to assist if a particular group might need assistance. Some groups might not have a parent who played GAA and are just there to help in anyway possible. Hope that answers you query.

They are of some benefit then? Don't they cost clubs thousands every year? They're not going to spend this on someone who just take sessions in schools. Then some clubs have decided to pay for 2 of them. I think they have more of an influence than you're letting on.

blanch152

SelmaHayek wrote: »

Why do clubs pay half the wages of these GDO's if they are of no benefit to them?

Simple.

GDO goes into schools, encourages and promotes GAA to a wider group of children. Said children sign up to be become members of GAA, stay for a lifetime, club gets stronger in the community, the GAA retains its prominent place in Irish culture, kids get healthier, club can afford GDO, rinse and repeat.

About the only thing it doesn't do is produce senior inter-county players. Nearly all of the current golden generation have family and cultural links to the GAA and weren't dependant on GDOs to get them involved.

SelmaHayek

blanch152 wrote: »

Simple.

GDO goes into schools, encourages and promotes GAA to a wider group of children. Said children sign up to be become members of GAA, stay for a lifetime, club gets stronger in the community, the GAA retains its prominent place in Irish culture, kids get healthier, club can afford GDO, rinse and repeat.

About the only thing it doesn't do is produce senior inter-county players. Nearly all of the current golden generation have family and cultural links to the GAA and weren't dependant on GDOs to get them involved.

That's very generous of the clubs. Looking after the community like that. How much do these gdo's cost?

blanch152

SelmaHayek wrote: »

That's very generous of the clubs. Looking after the community like that. How much do these gdo's cost?

They get back the money in membership fees.

SelmaHayek

blanch152 wrote: »

They get back the money in membership fees.

But how much is it?

ArielAtom

SelmaHayek wrote: »

But how much is it?

Not sure of the exact figure, but somewhere between 30/40k, club pays half.

ArielAtom

SelmaHayek wrote: »

They are of some benefit then? Don't they cost clubs thousands every year? They're not going to spend this on someone who just take sessions in schools. Then some clubs have decided to pay for 2 of them. I think they have more of an influence than you're letting on.

I've told you what my expierence is with them, should you choose to ignore facts from a Dublin club member and go with your own theory, join a list of posters here that are very much in your corner.

SelmaHayek

ArielAtom wrote: »

Not sure of the exact figure, but somewhere between 30/40k, club pays half.

About 20k then? That's a lot of money for most clubs. Do the schools pay anything? Surely the clubs should be demanding they do since they spend most of their time there.

SelmaHayek

ArielAtom wrote: »

I've told you what my expierence is with them, should you choose to ignore facts from a Dublin club member and go with your own theory, join a list of posters here that are very much in your corner.

Just seems strange for clubs to be paying 20k for primary schools to get a free coach. 40k total spent on someone who plays a minimal role in the development of a club. Something isn't adding up here, I got to be honest.

Slattsy

SelmaHayek wrote: »

About 20k then? That's a lot of money for most clubs. Do the schools pay anything? Surely the clubs should be demanding they do since they spend most of their time there.

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ArielAtom

SelmaHayek wrote: »

About 20k then? That's a lot of money for most clubs. Do the schools pay anything? Surely the clubs should be demanding they do since they spend most of their time there.

Between 15 and 20 as I said, no schools pay nothing. It is about participation, encouragement and developing. I for one think its a great initiative as the GAA seems to cop a lot of flack about being the Grab All Association, this is having a positive impact on the community.

SelmaHayek

I don't know many clubs in Dublin, one I know of is Ballymun. They have a few players on the Dublin team. I just googled them and gpo to see if there was any idea what they do. Apparently, a man named James Glancy started as their gdo back in the naughties. It says he sometimes coached the minor team and he noticed 2 players. Dean Rock and James McCarthy. Here's a quote from the article - When he thinks of McCarthy as a minor, he instantly sees “a long stringy lad”. But in the years after Glancy arrived, the Kickhams got gym equipment into the clubhouse upstairs and burned out plenty of light bulbs over the following winters. They had produced two terrific underage teams.
It seems this Glancy fella had a bit of an impact here and not just in schools. It also seems to have benefitted the Dublin inter county team. Maybe these gdo's have more of an influence than some here think?

blanch152

SelmaHayek wrote: »

I don't know many clubs in Dublin, one I know of is Ballymun. They have a few players on the Dublin team. I just googled them and gpo to see if there was any idea what they do. Apparently, a man named James Glancy started as their gdo back in the naughties. It says he sometimes coached the minor team and he noticed 2 players. Dean Rock and James McCarthy. Here's a quote from the article - When he thinks of McCarthy as a minor, he instantly sees “a long stringy lad”. But in the years after Glancy arrived, the Kickhams got gym equipment into the clubhouse upstairs and burned out plenty of light bulbs over the following winters. They had produced two terrific underage teams.
It seems this Glancy fella had a bit of an impact here and not just in schools. It also seems to have benefitted the Dublin inter county team. Maybe these gdo's have more of an influence than some here think?

Man claims credit for developing Dublin players. Internet poster thinks this proves something.

Is that all you've got? It was hardly your first google search on the issue.

ArielAtom

SelmaHayek wrote: »

I don't know many clubs in Dublin, one I know of is Ballymun. They have a few players on the Dublin team. I just googled them and gpo to see if there was any idea what they do. Apparently, a man named James Glancy started as their gdo back in the naughties. It says he sometimes coached the minor team and he noticed 2 players. Dean Rock and James McCarthy. Here's a quote from the article - When he thinks of McCarthy as a minor, he instantly sees “a long stringy lad”. But in the years after Glancy arrived, the Kickhams got gym equipment into the clubhouse upstairs and burned out plenty of light bulbs over the following winters. They had produced two terrific underage teams.
It seems this Glancy fella had a bit of an impact here and not just in schools. It also seems to have benefitted the Dublin inter county team. Maybe these gdo's have more of an influence than some here think?

I don't think he lifted the weights myself, do you? A you a GAA person? You don't seem to know a lot about it, as your post looking to know where you would get tickets for the AI replay point to. No rugby today?

I won't engaging with you again as it appears you might be just looking for a reaction, and as pointed out, it DONTMATTER.

dunnerc

SelmaHayek wrote: »

I don't know many clubs in Dublin, one I know of is Ballymun. They have a few players on the Dublin team. I just googled them and gpo to see if there was any idea what they do. Apparently, a man named James Glancy started as their gdo back in the naughties. It says he sometimes coached the minor team and he noticed 2 players. Dean Rock and James McCarthy. Here's a quote from the article - When he thinks of McCarthy as a minor, he instantly sees “a long stringy lad”. But in the years after Glancy arrived, the Kickhams got gym equipment into the clubhouse upstairs and burned out plenty of light bulbs over the following winters. They had produced two terrific underage teams.
It seems this Glancy fella had a bit of an impact here and not just in schools. It also seems to have benefitted the Dublin inter county team. Maybe these gdo's have more of an influence than some here think?

It DONTMATTER , welcome back

blanch152

SelmaHayek wrote: »

Just seems strange for clubs to be paying 20k for primary schools to get a free coach. 40k total spent on someone who plays a minimal role in the development of a club. Something isn't adding up here, I got to be honest.

Not at all.

St. Vincents charge €132 for juvenile membership.

150 kids gives you about 20k.

Think they have about 40 junior teams, say 25 to a panel, gives you 1,000 playing. Could easily afford several GDOs.

SelmaHayek

blanch152 wrote: »

Man claims credit for developing Dublin players. Internet poster thinks this proves something.

Is that all you've got? It was hardly your first google search on the issue.

No, the man didn't claim credit. It just showed that the gdo's have had an influence outside of schools. This was from a quick google search. Is there a chance that maybe the gdo's are not just free primary schoool pe teachers but they actually have a major impact on how a club is run and that assists Dublin county teams?

SelmaHayek

ArielAtom wrote: »

I don't think he lifted the weights myself, do you? A you a GAA person? You don't seem to know a lot about it, as your post looking to know where you would get tickets for the AI replay point to. No rugby today?

I won't engaging with you again as it appears you might be just looking for a reaction, and as pointed out, it DONTMATTER.

I like rugby and GAA. Just wondering about these gdo's is all. Why don't other counties have them?

blanch152

SelmaHayek wrote: »

No, the man didn't claim credit. It just showed that the gdo's have had an influence outside of schools. This was from a quick google search. Is there a chance that maybe the gdo's are not just free primary schoool pe teachers but they actually have a major impact on how a club is run and that assists Dublin county teams?

Nope, not at all. Been down this road before, explained it all many times, go read the thread.