The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

SelmaHayek

blanch152 wrote: »

Not at all.

St. Vincents charge €132 for juvenile membership.

150 kids gives you about 20k.

Think they have about 40 junior teams, say 25 to a panel, gives you 1,000 playing. Could easily afford several GDOs.

That's expensive! If the clubs are paying half, where does the other half come from?

blanch152

SelmaHayek wrote: »

I like rugby and GAA. Just wondering about these gdo's is all. Why don't other counties have them?

They do. Stop reading articles from 2005. Here, apply for a co-ordinator post in Roscommon:

https://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1845177

blanch152

SelmaHayek wrote: »

That's expensive! If the clubs are paying half, where does the other half come from?

Already answered many times, read the thread.

SelmaHayek

blanch152 wrote: »

Nope, not at all. Been down this road before, explained it all many times, go read the thread.

I'm sorry but my googles are not backing up what you're saying. I've been searching for the role of gdo's and not much came up but I've found this quote. It's from a man called Kevin O'Shaughnessy, apparently he's employed by Dublin GAA. He says - The coaches work very much in tune with what the particular club wants. They are all trained to Hetac Level 7 under an NUIG programme. It is a high standard that allows them to train the trainers in each club to a high quality.
I think he's talking about the gdo's. It depends on what the club wants according to him. This would make sense as they are paying his wages. They train the trainers, what does this mean? They train other coaches? This would have a big impact on a club wouldn't it?

SelmaHayek

blanch152 wrote: »

They do. Stop reading articles from 2005. Here, apply for a co-ordinator post in Roscommon:

https://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1845177

Oh so they are in other counties! Every club has one? Then what is the fuss about?

SelmaHayek

blanch152 wrote: »

Already answered many times, read the thread.

I tried to search, is it from sponsorship money? Dublin GAA pay for half with that and the clubs pay for the other half?

SelmaHayek

Ok, some more googling! Apparently the gdo's (they seem to be called a couple of different things) are paid 45 thousand a year. The clubs either pay 20 or 25 thousand, I found both figures. The rest of the money comes from the GAA, well some places said it comes from the Irish Sports Council but that couldn't be right? But anyway, either the GAA or the Irish Sports Council pay for about half for the gdo's. I'm sure that's the same for every other county as well? Is the controversy because Dublin have more of these gdo's?

tritium

SelmaHayek wrote: »

I'm sorry but my googles are not backing up what you're saying. I've been searching for the role of gdo's and not much came up but I've found this quote. It's from a man called Kevin O'Shaughnessy, apparently he's employed by Dublin GAA. He says - The coaches work very much in tune with what the particular club wants. They are all trained to Hetac Level 7 under an NUIG programme. It is a high standard that allows them to train the trainers in each club to a high quality.
I think he's talking about the gdo's. It depends on what the club wants according to him. This would make sense as they are paying his wages. They train the trainers, what does this mean? They train other coaches? This would have a big impact on a club wouldn't it?

You mean similar to the role I posted for the Turas scheme that the GAA is supporting across Leinster?

SelmaHayek

tritium wrote: »

You mean similar to the role I posted for the Turas scheme that the GAA is supporting across Leinster?

What's this? Have more details?

tritium

SelmaHayek wrote: »

What's this? Have more details?

I already posted on this. As someone else said, you could read the thread.

ShyMets

SelmaHayek wrote: »

What's this? Have more details?

Happy reading!

https://leinstergaa.ie/turas-programme-gaa-coaches-leinster/

SelmaHayek

tritium wrote: »

I already posted on this. As someone else said, you could read the thread.

I found it. It doesn't really have much detail, does it? It says it will be providing workshops and coaches to counties in Leinster. Aren't Dublin in Leinster? It doesn't say anything about each club getting a coach on 45 thousand a year. It begun last year, when did Dublin get these gdo's? From what I've read, it seems like it was a good few years ago.

tritium

SelmaHayek wrote: »

I found it. It doesn't really have much detail, does it? It says it will be providing workshops and coaches to counties in Leinster. Aren't Dublin in Leinster? It doesn't say anything about each club getting a coach on 45 thousand a year. It begun last year, when did Dublin get these gdo's? From what I've read, it seems like it was a good few years ago.

If you’ve been googling you’ll pretty easily find GAA games development reports and updated statistics. I quickly googled and found this

https://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/administrators/games-development-personnel
(Not really sure how you missed it)

It has lots of detailed attachments too. This ones 2015: not really inclined to do all your googling for you but alongside the turas link it seems to indicate the GAA have a pretty well thought out and flexible strategy for games development (as opposed to some pro dublin agenda)

SelmaHayek

tritium wrote: »

If you’ve been googling you’ll pretty easily find GAA games development reports and updated statistics. I quickly googled and found this

https://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/administrators/games-development-personnel
(Not really sure how you missed it)

It has lots of detailed attachments too. This ones 2015: not really inclined to do all your googling for you but alongside the turas link it seems to indicate the GAA have a pretty well thought out and flexible strategy for games development (as opposed to some pro dublin agenda)

So the Turas programme isn't really up to much. Isn't it well known that every county has these gda's or whatever they're calling them? Does every club have them though? From my searches, it seems Dublin have up near 100 of them. How many do other counties have? Maybe it's on population? I'll do some searching.

tritium

SelmaHayek wrote: »

So the Turas programme isn't really up to much. Isn't it well known that every county has these gda's or whatever they're calling them? Does every club have them though? From my searches, it seems Dublin have up near 100 of them. How many do other counties have? Maybe it's on population? I'll do some searching.

Turas sounds like a really positive thing to me tbh. Targeted use of resources to maximize benefit. It also seems to show an agility in their strategic planning that the GAA are often accused of lacking. I know some people think dublin is full of professional coaches driving gold plated ferraris to the large conference centre they booked to accommodate their vast numbers but tbh budgeting and strategic planning don’t generally work that way...

By all means do some searching though- it saves the rest of us doing it for you. There are plenty of attachments in the link I gave on GAA games development also

SelmaHayek

tritium wrote: »

Turas sounds like a really positive thing to me tbh. Targeted use of resources to maximize benefit. It also seems to show an agility in their strategic planning that the GAA are often accused of lacking. I know some people think dublin is full of professional coaches driving gold plated ferraris to the large conference centre they booked to accommodate their vast numbers but tbh budgeting and strategic planning don’t generally work that way...

By all means do some searching though- it saves the rest of us doing it for you. There are plenty of attachments in the link I gave on GAA games development also

There's very little detail in that Turas programme. It says it's just for Leinster so it's for Dublin too? And it was only last year. Maybe we'll hear some more about it in the coming years. Who's been saying Dublin coaches drive ferraris? It appears that every club have their own coach and then some clubs have 2. That's pretty good isn't it? One of them helped develop Dean Rock and James McCarthy, was their impact the same on other clubs?

I assumed it was on population so I searched Cork GAA. Their website show that Cork have 9 of these gdo's. From what I've seen, Dublin have near 100. That's a bit of a gap isn't it? What's the population difference between Cork and Dublin?

Hammer Archer

Can I please remind posters to report someone if you suspect them of re-registering.

Strumms

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I dont get what their profession has to do with anything. Although I would be interested to see the actual day to day work they do and the hours they put in in these professions compared to someone who isnt a dublin intercounty footballer.

It blows a great big massive hole in your theory of ‘professionalism’

If you are interested in finding out why don’t you attempt to... it would sure beat hawking around bitter mistruths that have been the crux of your thoroughly flawed argument so far...

so you are know going to the lengths of trying to discredit too the working careers of these guys, you have attempted to assassinate them as sports people and now as working guys, you don’t know any of them, you don’t have any insight regarding their careers or otherwise but you have been informed as to what they do hmmmmmm.... you are sad really, bitterness seems all consuming, you’d want to take a look at yourself in the mirror.... the good people you are bitter about won’t be taking notice, as for anyone else... no zzzzzzz

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

But all players are coached this way. For some, this is the only way they ever get coached until they are adults. I dont get what point you are trying to make here. It is clear that from this point, dublin have another layer of high performance coaching that others just dont get and that this is the relevant point to the discussion - not mystery men but full time coaches that are referenced often by the gaa. We can see that this has helped them massively, all you have to do is look at the quality of player they started producing post investment and compare it to the level of player they produced pre-investment for this to become very clear.
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More lies.

It is nor clear that from this point, Dublin have another layer of high performance coaching that others just don't get. You are making things up.

You ran away from the discussion on your spending per game numbers, because you couldn't make them stick.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I dont get what their profession has to do with anything. Although I would be interested to see the actual day to day work they do and the hours they put in in these professions compared to someone who isnt a dublin intercounty footballer.

Are you saying that Dr. Jack McCaffrey is slacking on the job? Because that's what it looks like you are saying. The nastiness sinks to a new low.

Strumms

blanch152 wrote: »

More lies.

Are you saying that Dr. Jack McCaffrey is slacking on the job? Because that's what it looks like you are saying. The nastiness sinks to a new low.

well said... This ‘professional footballer’ works seriously long hours as a doctor between two different departments in a hospital in Drogheda... commutes between Dublin and Drogheda daily, has his training and matches with his club, his county, family responsibility etc..... yes, professional footballer errrr no... more lies is right.

blanch152

Two eeks ago, we had the Kerry Sports Academy in IT Tralee being bailed out by the government, last week we had the Mayo jollies in New York paid for by the foundation who want to know where their money went, a few months ago we had the latest in the Pairc Ui Chaoimh saga, so whose turn is it now?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/supermacs-seek-details-on-how-sponsorship-money-was-spent-by-galway-county-board-38553497.html

Galway! Not surprised, are we?

"The fast food chain has given almost €1.6m in funding to Galway GAA since 2015, and now seek details on how the money was used. Supermac's also called on the Galway county board to release the findings of two reports into the county's finances."

We were told many times in this thread that other county boards had good plans and hadn't got finance from the GAA or the government. More and more, it just looks like they didn't have any plans at all, or something written on the back of a beer mat.

Dublin have their act together, others need to get theirs.

Slattsy

This thread is gonna get very quiet from them people. Pathetic as it was, made good reading.

What'll be next I wonder? The better quality of our water supply here in the capital? Who knows. Stay tuned.

blanch152

Slattsy wrote: »

This thread is gonna get very quiet from them people. Pathetic as it was, made good reading.

What'll be next I wonder? The better quality of our water supply here in the capital? Who knows. Stay tuned.

The only thing they have left is Aslan.

Slattsy

blanch152 wrote: »

The only thing they have left is Aslan.

They can have Bono tbh.

Bonniedog

Strumms wrote: »

so you are know going to the lengths of trying to discredit too the working careers of these guys, you have attempted to assassinate them as sports people and now as working guys, you don’t know any of them, you don’t have any insight regarding their careers or otherwise but you have been informed as to what they do hmmmmmm.... you are sad really, bitterness seems all consuming, you’d want to take a look at yourself in the mirror.... the good people you are bitter about won’t be taking notice, as for anyone else... no zzzzzzz

Brian Fenton was my Da's physio in Naas in January 2015. It was around same time he got senior start in O'Byrne Cup. indeed remember listening to the game against Kildare on the radio in hospital with my Da.

Brian was still student and working 12 hour shifts. Probably still doing same.

After final, my brother sent him FB message congratulating him on winning MOTM and how much our Da had enjoyed telling people he knew him!

Didn't expect any reply but he got a message from Brian in response.

Insinuating that these lads are only pretending to do responsible jobs is indeed a new low, but not an unexpected one, unfortunately.

Same I am sure applies to county players from other counties. None of them are professional, real or implied.

Strumms

Truth, all people juggling professional busy careers, families, relationships, hobbies, looking over at the ladies team too the same... doctors, psychologists, accountants the list goes on.... a great credit to their professions, county and families.

ClanofLams

Slattsy wrote: »

This thread is gonna get very quiet from them people. Pathetic as it was, made good reading.

What'll be next I wonder? The better quality of our water supply here in the capital? Who knows. Stay tuned.

Good to see you acting holier than thou on here after taking great joy in the rugby forum at Ireland losing at the weekend.

Personally I find rooting against your own countrymen pathetic but each to their own.

Galway county board is a joke, incompetent buffoons. Trying to justify the ridiculous disparity in funding given to Dublin on the basis of this is more than a stretch though. As far as I know, GAA central money is rightly overseen very strictly with thorough oversight. Funds that have been wasted or not spent appropriately will be funds coming from within the county eg sponsorship, gates, etc

So there is zero justification on those grounds for the extraordinary financial disparity.

Dr. Bre

blanch152 wrote: »

More lies.

It is nor clear that from this point, Dublin have another layer of high performance coaching that others just don't get. You are making things up.

You ran away from the discussion on your spending per game numbers, because you couldn't make them stick.






Are you saying that Dr. Jack McCaffrey is slacking on the job? Because that's what it looks like you are saying. The nastiness sinks to a new low.

Slack McCaffrey!

Floppybits

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Slack McCaffrey!

That is Dr Slack McCaffrey to you?

Imagine the skeletons that would be uncovered if there were audits done on all the county boards in the country?

County boards are one of the biggest problems in the GAA. Alot of them are run by a wink and a nod culture. In some counties the County board treatment of the intercounty teams is terrible, the impression you get from the County Board is that players should be glad they are getting to represent the county and like the old saying a "child should be seen and not heard". The Dublin County Board was slated in a report done in the early 00's that made county board sit up and get their house sorted and now we are seeing the results of this on the pitch.

Most of the grumbling in most counties is about how crap the county boards are and how they waste money on their own crap projects or half arsed implementation of plans after they get the money.

In saying that this is not unique to the GAA, look at the FAI and the charities. There seems to be something ingrained in the culture.

Bonniedog

Very true, Some people think that having access to public money - ie. money donated, sponsored, granted, fund-raised, means that they have a license to steal it given half a chance.

In fairness, most organisations are run properly, and that includes clubs where it depends on high deal of integrity but should also be audited,

Where corruption and let's face it theft has been rampant in other sporting organisations and charities, it has been based on a culture of corruption fostered by those at the top. in the case of at least one county board, it would seem that this has been what has been allowed to go on for years. Lads then form the impression that they are entitled to whatever graft they are involved in.