The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Happyilylost

Rockbeast2 wrote:

Mayo, Galway, and Cork all have serious issues with their county boards IMO.

Rockbeast2 wrote:

Dublin sorted theirs out years ago and it has played a major part in the county's success over last decade.

Do Dublin have paid members on their county board or high up paid officials? I can't seem to find the answer online but I thought I read somewhere they had a number of paid officials. This isn't a dig before anyone gets defensive.

robertpatterson

Haha again with the home advantage
Has anyone answered the question posed earlier as to why none of the other counties object to Dublin playing in Croke park
Dublin would play anywhere and beat any of the current crop
Cha-Ching!!

beggars_bush

robertpatterson wrote: »

Haha again with the home advantage
Has anyone answered the question posed earlier as to why none of the other counties object to Dublin playing in Croke park
Dublin would play anywhere and beat any of the current crop
Cha-Ching!!

I think.you'll find Donegal submitted a motion last year

Fann Linn

beggars_bush wrote: »

I think.you'll find Donegal submitted a motion last year

...and this was defeated overwhelmingly.'

FYP.

Rockbeast2

"Do Dublin have paid members on their county board..."

No

"... or high up paid officials"

Not sure what "high up [paid] officials" means. If you define it better, I will give you an answer.

Happyilylost

Fann Linn wrote:

...and this was defeated overwhelmingly.'

Fann Linn wrote:

FYP.

Motion was poorly worded and rightly rejected. Seems only Leinster counties can vote on the issue of Leinster championship games. Stand corrected but I don't think any county was consultanted in relation to the Spring series and putting Dublin in Croke Park for league games.

robertpatterson

Does anyone really think Dublin would have lost a match if they hadn't played in croke park?
Seriously now no trolling.

Rockbeast2

* But could those Dublin players win on a wet, windy Wednesday night in Wicklow? LOL

harpsman

harpsman wrote: »

This the same '16 where Dubliners jeered the rebels when they were captured?

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing as they say

This country only ever had one real rebel and he was shot in the head while in.......the rebel county :P

ThunbergsAreGo

beggars_bush wrote: »

ArielAtom wrote: »

So bringing kids to witness how football should be played is a bad thing??

Glorified Basketball

Watch Dublin's first half Vs Roscommon, glorified basketball my arse

Happyilylost

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"Do Dublin have paid members on their county board..."

No

"... or high up paid officials"

Not sure what "high up [paid] officials" means. If you define it better, I will give you an answer.

Hardly any way to see who is been paid? Dublin accounts only give the overall administration expenses.

dog_pig

Bonniedog wrote: »

I find the Pale is often used by people from counties that didn't let off a fart in their corduroys in 16 and after, so have this guilt thing about Dublin.

I think True Gael is from the kingdom, which in fairness redeemed itself after the betrayal of Roger Casement.

It's an awful pity about all those centuries Dublin spent incubating foreign rule in Ireland, we might have had independence a lot earlier if ye had figured it out sooner. At least the Dubs came through eventually though.

dog_pig

dog_pig wrote: »

It's an awful pity about all those centuries Dublin spent incubating foreign rule in Ireland, we might have had independence a lot earlier if ye had figured it out sooner. At least the Dubs came through eventually though.

Yeah it's a pity we had all the necessary land and proximity to the auld enemy so were chosen to be the launchpad for domesticating the rest of the Fenian horde. Unlike some of the more beautiful coastal towns around the southeast of the country like, say, Cobh, for example. Of course, the invaders had anouther name for Cobh altogether.....

tritium

aodomhnaill wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html

Anything to say about this mayoaremagic? €415k in one year from a single investor. €60k training camps in New York, any thoughts?

Interesting to read just how inept and dysfunctional the mayo county board, this type of stuff generally filters down to players on the field as we all know.

Sure don’t you know that when other counties do it’s”fundraising “...

tritium

Dots1982 wrote: »

Mayo GAA fundraised 1.761 million in two years. Dublin raised 161k in 3 years. All according to their own accounts.

In the same two year period Dublin paid 2 million in administration expenses (half are salaries). Mayo paid 130k for the same expenses for the same two years.

I know which one i think is more likely to be inept and dysfunctional. Especially given wages in the Dublin GAA is out of control.

It’s easy to have a gap between the two when donations from big corporate interests and high net worth individuals get classed as”fundraising” by some.

To be clear. Getting a wad of corporate cash for letting them use your photo holding a can of something = bad
Getting a (bigger) was of corporate cash to give them a plate of chicken curry in a room with a few players is good
Have I got that right? Because what folks are classing as “fundraising” here seems to be on a different planet to how most people (and many smaller counties) interpret it.

Rockbeast2

Actually, after the revelations today, I'm wondering if there are tax implications with these donations and also wondering how GAA HQ feel about a third party making demands of a county board?

Lots of questions. No All-Irelands!

Up The Dubs!

tritium

gaffer91 wrote: »

Again, people are getting distracted from the main point of the thread.

Dublin have been overfunded relative to every other county. This includes both money from the GAA and their sponsors. No other county even comes close to their financial might.

Combine this with other advantages e.g a massive population and playing pool in a sport where transfers are extremely difficult, home pitch advantages and others and you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance, which is what we're currently seeing.

That's all the last few hundred pages boils down to, ultimately.

Dublin should be split to help manage this.

Kerry have one if the longest established and most lucrative sponsorship arrangements in Irish sport. In addition to sponsorship they’ve happily written large cheques for infrastructure.

That’s on top of their “fundraising” - dipping into the pockets of foreign and domestic corporate and high net worth donors while they’re distracted by a plate of chicken curry.

And the occasional off the books donation from German sportswear manufacturers


They’ve had this advantage for decades and, combined with administrative structures that favorited them they’ve managed to turn their own province into a footballing wasteland. It has inevitably led them to an easier path to win all the AIs they’ve amassed, with less and less taxing games. It’s not coincidental had we have seen a significant level of Kerry dominance for those decades, with only a brief blip after the second greatest team in Gaelic football history grew old together. Nothing has happened to correct this- at best dublin represent a viable attempt to enable a challenger: I honestly wish they’d do the same for cork to make them competitive in Munster and then tailor and fund plans for other Munster counties- it would do Kerry and the GAA good to have to have real competition there at last, it’s only taken a century

Fix the Kerry problem and when we see how the land lies we might look at dublin

odyssey06

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Actually, after the revelations today, I'm wondering if there are tax implications with these donations and also wondering how GAA HQ feel about a third party making demands of a county board?

Yeah and if they were as lax with receipts if Revenue took any kind of interest...

Rockbeast2

I only ask questions?

Would not expecting 10 tickets be an investment or a purchase?

Is that still a "donation"?

Will the Revenue look into that?

LOL?

Floppybits

Why don't they have an open draw in Munster?

dunnerc

gaffer91 wrote: »

Again, people are getting distracted from the main point of the thread.

Dublin have been overfunded relative to every other county. This includes both money from the GAA and their sponsors. No other county even comes close to their financial might.

Combine this with other advantages e.g a massive population and playing pool in a sport where transfers are extremely difficult, home pitch advantages and others and you have the perfect storm for endless Dublin dominance, which is what we're currently seeing.

That's all the last few hundred pages boils down to, ultimately.

Dublin should be split to help manage this.

You forgot to mention the free lunches :rolleyes:

Rockbeast2

"Why don't they have an open draw in Munster?"

Because Dublin should be split into 4! LOL

Floppybits

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"Why don't they have an open draw in Munster?"

Because Dublin should be split into 4! LOL

Fcukin Dubs.

bruschi

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"Do Dublin have paid members on their county board..."

No

"... or high up paid officials"

Not sure what "high up [paid] officials" means. If you define it better, I will give you an answer.

Dublin have no paid officials on their county board?

But spend over €500,000 on wages for adminstration/office positions, not coaches. What is John Costello's job if he is not a full time paid employee of Dublin GAA?

Plus you have former players employed.

Mossy Quinn, Commercial manager
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/mossy-quinn-takes-on-new-role-for-dublin-1.1668617

Bryan Cullen, High performance manager
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/cullen-influence-has-helped-gavin-ensure-dubs-trainas-they-play-926602.html

This isnt a criticism of Dublin, pretty much every county secretary is now a full time employee. Also many counties have strategic or commercial/media employees too.

But to say Dublin GAA have no full time employees on their board?

Rockbeast2

"wages for adminstration/office positions"


LOL

I refer you to my post to which you responded.

Rockbeast2

^^ Who is on the "Dublin County Board"?

Make sure to differentiate between the board and, as you put it, "adminstration/office positions".

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I would have been one of the people criticizing Dublin's finances, but a lot of the stuff posted here is so daft that the Dubs have come across as infinitely more reasonable.

Rockbeast2

^ Maybe the cleaners of Parnell Park are on the Dublin County Board because they draw a wage from Dublin GAA.

This nonsense is why other counties fail.

Long may it continue.

Up The Dubs!

ToBeFrank123

dog_pig wrote: »

It's an awful pity about all those centuries Dublin spent incubating foreign rule in Ireland, we might have had independence a lot earlier if ye had figured it out sooner. At least the Dubs came through eventually though.

Not to mention where the nickname "Dublin Jacks" came from!

ToBeFrank123

Floppybits wrote: »

Why don't they have an open draw in Munster?

Because Munster is predominately a hurling province and football comes second everywhere except Kerry which explains their dominance of the Munster football championship. Seeding gives at least the chance of a competitive provincial final.