Nora Quoirin. [Read mod note in post #1 - updated 14/08]

chicorytip

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote:

I don’t know but I imagine the parents would have to be questioned. It would be remiss to not. Like Michaela Harte’s husband. It’s just a formality. I’m not following the case really so I’m not sure whether they were questioned or not has been revealed.

For one thing, they need to investigate the possibility of there having been an argument or disagreement between the child and her parents and to try and form an opinion as to her state of mind before she went to her room. It's five days now since her disappearance. Had she just disappeared into the jungle I think she would have been found long before now given that experienced local trekkers are involved in the search. It's unlikely she could have travelled very far from the lodge anyway particularly if she was in her night attire, so this would lend more credence to the theory she may have been abducted.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is just such a helpless situation.

Well actually, if the corrupt Malaysia police force could be over-come, there might actually be an outcome here.

Bananaleaf

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't particularly need that info. A child is missing, I would have donated anyhow.

If somebody has her, and may be scared to release her, they need to know that info.

No big deal, just thinking out loud, we have contributed to other missing person causes and never got something quite so specific or prescriptive.

I agree with FrancieBrady. I felt it read that way too. Also, the mention of Cat Bingo (I don't know what that is?) and the colourful jumpers could be an attempt to humanise her in the eyes of someone who may have her.

I don't think it's crazy to imagine that her parents, seeing as they don't know where she is or if she has been abducted, would opt to cover as many bases as possible.

chicorytip

chicorytip wrote: »

This is a strange case, some similarities to Madeleine McCann. .

In what way exactly?

I see nothing in parallel to the M McC case, besides a daughter missing from her distraught parents- so do please enlighten us all.

foxyladyxx

chicorytip wrote: »

For one thing, they need to investigate the possibility of there having been an argument or disagreement between the child and her parents and to try and form an opinion as to her state of mind before she went to her room. It's five days now since her disappearance. Had she just disappeared into the jungle I think she would have been found long before now given that experienced local trekkers are involved in the search. It's unlikely she could have travelled very far from the lodge anyway particularly if she was in her night attire, so this would lend more credence to the theory she may have been abducted.

I read that the parents have been questioned. Having been following the news and I have to say that I have a great deal of admiration for the police and indigenous people of Malaysia.

I do not think she was abducted. It would have been a near impossibilty to carry her down a spiral staircase from a bedroom she shared with a her sister and brother without waking the parents who slept on the ground floor. Also it would have been difficult for her to wander out through the open window with her documented mobility problems. Her parents too have been adamant that she is shy and nervous and would never wander off alone.

It is a mystery for sure.

Am praying for a happy outcome for Nora and her family.

foxyladyxx

Deleted User wrote: »

In what way exactly?

I see nothing in parallel to the M McC case, besides a daughter missing from her distraught parents- so do please enlighten us all.

Oh please spare us. .No more Maddie McCann please. She was never a missing child.

splinter65

OwlsZat wrote: »

With the kindest respect the vast majority of people who have spent the time to research the Madeline McCann fully believe the parents covered up a likely accidental death. I'd avoid comparisons at this stage. Rather hope there is a happy ending.

The vast majority of people who matter (hundreds of detectives from two professional police forces from two different countries spending 1000s of hours trawling the evidence) who have taken the time to research the disappearance of M McCann know that her parents didn’t cover up an accidental death, not the least of which because they, like you, cannot find anything even approaching a believable timeline without delving spectacularly into the realms of science fiction.
Please don’t refer me or anyone else to your “Police Files” ridiculously selective, out of all context, nonsense.
Unless you can give us a basic where when how and why of how the McCanns supposedly killed Madeleine and disappeared her then your just another conspiracy theorist. With no theory.

Darc19

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

It's a very strange case. How long do you reckon it'll be before the tabloids turn on the parents?

Who needs the tabloids - just read some of the posts here for gutter style comments.

foxyladyxx

foxyladyxx wrote: »

Oh please spare us. .No more Maddie McCann please. She was never a missing child.

I didn't bring the subject up, so get back in your box there foxy.!

FrancieBrady

I came across a fascinating radio doc on this case. There could have been and were all sorts of theories, but the reality was that it was just a sad and tragic accident.
Hopefully it is not the case here.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/body-of-man-missing-for-10-years-found-behind-supermarket-fridge-023202614.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJUEnIN93y7VkLSxgeq3s41rHcJ8TsF7yhAEL7B5SGpG0uwFpiGUa3edcCJy3E-5TL8JleRhM19LAcdprcVsjB5eh2MFNMjGz0KIeWB8LCCaNqANTc7oLamuHUbhQvtXr8MFJdVFMMkHznZ5DauUWysGcih1X4a9MVsDOVknMAIu

sabat

Very reminiscent of Jim Thompson.

dark crystal

OwlsZat wrote: »

With the kindest respect the vast majority of people who have spent the time to research the Madeline McCann fully believe the parents covered up a likely accidental death. I'd avoid comparisons at this stage. Rather hope there is a happy ending.

The vast majority of people think that? Ok, sure Jan.

I knew it wouldn't be long before the usual suspects came along to compare this to the Madeleine McCann case. :rolleyes:

Anyway, like everyone else, I hope the poor girl is found safe and well and just perhaps became disorientated and lost her way somewhere in the vicinity. My heart goes out to her family who seem understandably heartbroken and distraught. I can't even begin to imagine how they must be feeling right now.

foxyladyxx

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't bring the subject up, so get back in your box there foxy.!

Was meant for the poster before you Plenty!!

Atlantic Dawn

Playing the mothers voice over loudspeakers made the authorities in the area look like a complete joke, it wasn't a dog they were looking for.

foxyladyxx

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I came across a fascinating radio doc on this case. There could have been and were all sorts of theories, but the reality was that it was just a sad and tragic accident.
Hopefully it is not the case here.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/body-of-man-missing-for-10-years-found-behind-supermarket-fridge-023202614.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJUEnIN93y7VkLSxgeq3s41rHcJ8TsF7yhAEL7B5SGpG0uwFpiGUa3edcCJy3E-5TL8JleRhM19LAcdprcVsjB5eh2MFNMjGz0KIeWB8LCCaNqANTc7oLamuHUbhQvtXr8MFJdVFMMkHznZ5DauUWysGcih1X4a9MVsDOVknMAIu

My worry is the river which flows nearby. No doubt the police there have checked it out thoroughly at this stage?

foxyladyxx

foxyladyxx wrote: »

Was meant for the poster before you Plenty!!

then quote the poster before me- not me-



Sorry, got a bit annoyed at the way you quoted the post- that's all. didn't want to be associated with that post- thanks

Strazdas

If Nora is in the rain forest, I doubt she got far into it at all. The description of her today sounds like a slight girl and one who is not physically fit. It seems very unlikely that she could walk for miles into it.

You'd have to hope there is a breakthrough very soon and something shows up, perhaps a physical clue which would steer them in the right direction,

splinter65

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Playing the mothers voice over loudspeakers made the authorities in the area look like a complete joke, it wasn't a dog they were looking for.

The only thing is...if she was hiding because she was very afraid and hearing all the strange voices calling her name, she might respond to her mother’s voice.
I think that was the idea anyway.

Spanish Eyes

The missing girl apparently was travelling on an Irish passport.

Her Grandad is the Mayor of some place in France.

So the Consular assistance is from Ireland and France from what I can see anyway.

chicorytip

OwlsZat wrote:

With the kindest respect the vast majority of people who have spent the time to research the Madeline McCann fully believe the parents covered up a likely accidental death. I'd avoid comparisons at this stage. Rather hope there is a happy ending.

Deleted User wrote:

I see nothing in parallel to the M McC case, besides a daughter missing from her distraught parents- so do please enlighten us all.

Deleted User wrote:

In what way exactly?

A child is missing, possibly dead at this stage. How did this happen? Did she just wander off or was she taken? If the latter, by whom and why? So very little is known at this stage that nothing can be categorically ruled out. The police - if you can read between the lines - believe the answers may be found at the residence and not out in the jungle.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Playing the mothers voice over loudspeakers made the authorities in the area look like a complete joke, it wasn't a dog they were looking for.

I can't help feeling, given the corrupt nature of the Malaysian police, that it was all done for show.

There's a number of recent articles out there around corruption in the force- coupled that with reliance on tourism and strong currencies and you have a recipe for a side-show.

To the untrained ear, it would appear to be a good approach on the morning of Day 1- not day 5 or 6 or wherever we are at, now.

Speaking of dogs, one report in the English newspapers a few days ago stated that "scent" dogs lost the trail 100 yards from the room- would suggest a vehicle?

The whole investigation stinks of corruption and political priorities.

FrancieBrady

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Playing the mothers voice over loudspeakers made the authorities in the area look like a complete joke, it wasn't a dog they were looking for.

They did that because they thought she might be afraid to come out if she was scared. We are not dealing with a normal 15 yr old.

My normal son scared the wits out of us at 4 or 5 yrs of age. He was missing for almost an hour and the gardai had just arrived when he came out from behind a tree. In his own words what started out as a hide and seek prank went bad and he was afraid he would be in trouble. Even normal kids think differently and you have to think like them to understand.

Witcher

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The missing girl apparently was travelling on an Irish passport.

Her Grandad is the Mayor of some place in France.

So the Consular assistance is from Ireland and France from what I can see anyway.

Are you sure it was an Irish passport she was using?

Critical that we establish that right from the get go

:rolleyes:

Bananaleaf

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I came across a fascinating radio doc on this case. There could have been and were all sorts of theories, but the reality was that it was just a sad and tragic accident.
Hopefully it is not the case here.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/body-of-man-missing-for-10-years-found-behind-supermarket-fridge-023202614.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJUEnIN93y7VkLSxgeq3s41rHcJ8TsF7yhAEL7B5SGpG0uwFpiGUa3edcCJy3E-5TL8JleRhM19LAcdprcVsjB5eh2MFNMjGz0KIeWB8LCCaNqANTc7oLamuHUbhQvtXr8MFJdVFMMkHznZ5DauUWysGcih1X4a9MVsDOVknMAIu

I have so many questions after reading that But that's for another thread I suppose

Spanish Eyes

Witcher wrote: »

Are you sure it was an Irish passport she was using?

Critical that we establish that right from the get go

:rolleyes:

Can you confirm so? Over to you!

foxyladyxx

Witcher wrote: »

Are you sure it was an Irish passport she was using?

Critical that we establish that right from the get go

:rolleyes:

Yes I read that an Irish passport was used.

ETA link below

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/teen-with-irish-passport-goes-missing-from-malaysian-resort-1.3976946

KM792

God forgive me for saying this if wrong but why is this reminding me of the JonBennet Ramsay case?

chicorytip

chicorytip wrote: »

A child is missing, possibly dead at this stage. How did this happen? Did she just wander off or was she taken? If the latter, by whom and why? So very little is known at this stage that nothing can be categorically ruled out. The police - if you can read between the lines - believe the answers may be found at the residence and not out in the jungle.

you can take your "lines", and do whatever you wish with them

FrancieBrady

Bananaleaf wrote: »

I have so many questions after reading that But that's for another thread I suppose

I will try and track the documentary. Although it was on world radio.

foxyladyxx

foxyladyxx wrote: »

Yes I read that an Irish passport was used.

ETA link below

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/teen-with-irish-passport-goes-missing-from-malaysian-resort-1.3976946

This was very clear from day 1- thanks foxyladxx for supplying the link to those who are too lazy to read up on the topic and feel there's some conspiracy theory emerging here. :rolleyes:

Witcher

Deleted User wrote: »

This was very clear from day 1- thanks foxyladxx for supplying the link to those who are too lazy to read up on the topic and feel there's some conspiracy theory emerging here. :rolleyes:

You do realise I was taking the piss out of Spanish Eyes' post, I wasn't implying there was a conspiracy.....

Strazdas

KM792 wrote: »

God forgive me for saying this if wrong but why is this reminding me of the JonBennet Ramsay case?

No, I still think the rain forest aspect is the most likely explanation

There was a missing persons expert on radio a day or two ago saying it's not uncommon for tourists to get lost in rain forests. The only difference is they are usually found within 24 hours, but there could be some specific reason they haven't located Nora yet.

Happy4all

Was the father on the holiday? I seem to have only read comments from the mother.

I keep opening the news hoping for a good news update. a Parents worst nightmare

Spanish Eyes

KM792 wrote: »

God forgive me for saying this if wrong but why is this reminding me of the JonBennet Ramsay case?

I think it has similar echoes to the Portugal case. But hopefully the girl will be found safe and well. It can happen and hopefully will. Bless her.

Witcher

Witcher wrote: »

You do realise I was taking the piss out of Spanish Eyes' post, I wasn't implying there was a conspiracy.....

And equally, YOU should realise, that I wasn't implicating you, in my reply

FrancieBrady

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think it has similar echoes to the Portugal case. But hopefully the girl will be found safe and well. It can happen and hopefully will. Bless her.

All missing children cases have 'echoes' of each other. Please stop with this diversion. It's helping nobody.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All missing children cases have 'echoes' of each other. Please stop with this diversion. It's helping nobody.

Well said.

foxyladyxx

Strazdas wrote: »

No, I still think the rain forest aspect is the most likely explanation

There was a missing persons expert on radio a day or two ago saying it's not uncommon for tourists to get lost in rain forests. The only difference is they are usually found within 24 hours, but there could be some specific reason they haven't located Nora yet.

We are on day 7. Nora would not survive that long in the elements without food or drink.

Spanish Eyes

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All missing children cases have 'echoes' of each other. Please stop with this diversion. It's helping nobody.

Thanks for being the forum police. I will ignore for now.

splinter65

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can you confirm so? Over to you!

What relevance has the child’s nationality and the civic position of her grandfather taken on in your eyes?

foxyladyxx

foxyladyxx wrote: »

We are on day 7. Nora would not survive that long in the elements without food or drink.

The "hope" in the early days, according to reports earlier in the week, was that she would survive if out in the jungle, given the warm conditions i.e. that there were no freezing temperatures etc.

I don't know what the prognosis would be now, after 7 days, but certainly, if she had water, she would have warmth, so certainly there would be hope from that perspective.

FrancieBrady

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for being the forum police. I will ignore for now.

It's almost as if your ego wants you to be right in whatever theory you have about the McCann's (take your fecking pick) and other missing kids come secondary to that.

Open a thread on your 'theory'. Leave this one alone.

splinter65

KM792 wrote: »

God forgive me for saying this if wrong but why is this reminding me of the JonBennet Ramsay case?

How so? What are the similarities?

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for being the forum police. I will ignore for now.

That's not a forum police comment- that's a discussion comment- and I for one agree with him.

Strazdas

foxyladyxx wrote: »

We are on day 7. Nora would not survive that long in the elements without food or drink.

I believe there have been quite a few cases where people went 10 days or more and survived (people inside collapsed buildings etc)

But time is of the essence. If by chance she is alive, they will have to find her very quickly.

Spanish Eyes

The child is gone, hopefully will be found alive.

That's all anyone wants now isn't it.

Rant away about me amongst yourselves, I really don't mind.

Tomorrow you will target and comment on others. Sayonara!

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The child is gone, hopefully will be found alive.

That's all anyone wants now isn't it.

Rant away about me amongst yourselves, I really don't mind.

Tomorrow you will target and comment on others. Sayonara!

Is this your effort of an apology?

splinter65

I think Nora woke, became disorientated quickly, went to look for her mother and panicked and went out the window.
I don’t think she got very far and I think she’s quite near the house but she’s sadly died. I believe she’s non verbal and couldn’t call for help.
I hope they find her soon if only to stop the trolls and loons from starting on her parents for years and years.

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this your effort of an apology?

Sorry now, but apology for what pray tell?

Go on.... spell it out and so on. I don't mind.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry now, but apology for what pray tell?

Go on.... spell it out and so on. I don't mind.

For your posts tonight, on this thread.

Go have a serious look back and tell me you're not ashamed at what you posted, given the current circumstances of this case.