Water charges for excessive usage

Ten of Swords

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https://www.boards.ie/ttforum/1643

charlie14

blanch152 wrote: »

I think that you have hit on the difference between the different sides on here.

Those opposing water charges use dummy targets like Dinny and Lowry to hide the fact that they are arguing for something that is wrong or because they are the real target of their bile and water charges and meters are only a tool and are being used.

Those who favour water charges do so because it is simply the right thing to do.

Pompous load of nonsense from someone whose every prediction in relation to water charges has been incorrect since day one.

Yellow_Fern

charlie14 wrote: »

Pompous load of nonsense from someone whose every prediction in relation to water charges has been incorrect since day one.

Being pompous has little bearing on ones correctness

Brendan Bendar

charlie14 wrote: »

Pompous load of nonsense from someone whose every prediction in relation to water charges has been incorrect since day one.

Ummm

Pure waffle from a coin who has been battering the Dinny drum since day one.

charlie14

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Ummm

Pure waffle from a coin who has been battering the Dinny drum since day one.

In that fiasco there were no shortage of drums to batter for those that were not blind or did not want to see them.
No shortage of pompous incorrect predictions either.

charlie14

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Being pompous has little bearing on ones correctness

No? Many would regard ones self belief in ones own correctness as pompous.

Benedict

blanch152 wrote: »

I think that you have hit on the difference between the different sides on here.

Those opposing water charges use dummy targets like Dinny and Lowry to hide the fact that they are arguing for something that is wrong or because they are the real target of their bile and water charges and meters are only a tool and are being used.

Those who favour water charges do so because it is simply the right thing to do.

Charging one home for water because they have a meter and allowing an entire apartment block 'round the corner to use what they like without paying a penny? How is that the "right thing to do"?

Benedict

Benedict wrote: »

Charging one home for water because they have a meter and allowing an entire apartment block 'round the corner to use what they like without paying a penny? How is that the "right thing to do"?

Whoever said that would happen?

Nevin Parsnipp

Haven't had rain in my neck of the woods for months and the need to conserve water is obvious......yet on my morning constitutional I spotted three stools out watering their lawns !

I was surprised as I thought even Pat couldn't reach this level of stupidity.......

Benedict

The most recent plan was that those with meters would pay for what they use and those without meters would also pay for what they use. In order for this to sound true, IW had to pretend that they could measure usage without a meter. This is, of course, nonsense but even it it was true, why then were meters installed in the first place? Then some bright spark suggested that if you wouldn't accept installation, you'd have to pay a flat E500 automatically. This fell on it's face too because if you say "Yes" to a meter, guess what? There's nobody there to install it! The installers have all been laid off.

So what if you re-employ the installers?

Won't work either because so many home-owners will do what they did before - namely stand outside and prevent installation.

Game over folks!

Game well and truly over!

Brendan Bendar

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Haven't had rain in my neck of the woods for months and the need to conserve water is obvious......yet on my morning constitutional I spotted three stools out watering their lawns !

I was surprised as I thought even Pat couldn't reach this level of stupidity.......

You must be a little ‘challenged’ Nevin if you underestimated the level of Pat’s,I’ll call it ‘attitude’.

Have you not yet realised that Pat will ‘tune the fiddle’ to the nth degree whenever he can.

Pat doesn’t give a fiddlers once he can get away with it.

Take the hound out for a walk....fcuker squats and punches out a log cabin....look around and if nobody near leave her there.

Double yellas...for someone else...not for me...jaaaaahs I only went in for the paper.

That’s Pat for ya.

Face covering....... da fuuuhrk!!!!

Benedict

Benedict wrote: »

The most recent plan was that those with meters would pay for what they use and those without meters would also pay for what they use. In order for this to sound true, IW had to pretend that they could measure usage without a meter. This is, of course, nonsense but even it it was true, why then were meters installed in the first place? Then some bright spark suggested that if you wouldn't accept installation, you'd have to pay a flat E500 automatically. This fell on it's face too because if you say "Yes" to a meter, guess what? There's nobody there to install it! The installers have all been laid off.

So what if you re-employ the installers?

Won't work either because so many home-owners will do what they did before - namely stand outside and prevent installation.

Game over folks!

Game well and truly over!

They haven’t gone away, you know!

charlie14

Benedict wrote: »

The most recent plan was that those with meters would pay for what they use and those without meters would also pay for what they use. In order for this to sound true, IW had to pretend that they could measure usage without a meter. This is, of course, nonsense but even it it was true, why then were meters installed in the first place? Then some bright spark suggested that if you wouldn't accept installation, you'd have to pay a flat E500 automatically. This fell on it's face too because if you say "Yes" to a meter, guess what? There's nobody there to install it! The installers have all been laid off.

So what if you re-employ the installers?

Won't work either because so many home-owners will do what they did before - namely stand outside and prevent installation.

Game over folks!


Game well and truly over!

It`s been over for four years.


It`s very much like the Roman Catholic Church and limbo.
Everybody knew it was B.S. long before the Church admitted it and dropped the charade.

Benedict

This whole drama is a lesson in why you shouldn't depend on making it up as you go along. A really big mistake was to start pretending that those without meters could have their usage measured and therefore would get a bill. They really have painted themselves into a corner by making that claim.

Benedict

There's a piece in the Irish Indo today re water charges. It seems that IW have decided to postpone the charges further - but no date is given for when they will want payments to be made.

Among the reasons given for the postponement is CV-19.

PommieBast

Postpone? I must have missed something as I thought charges were dead in the water...

Brendan Bendar

PommieBast wrote: »

Postpone? I must have missed something as I thought charges were dead in the water...

Nah ..still around Pee, I’d say the Ollie Bond boys might be targets given the seemingly hefty load of disposable income they seem to have.

What did the clean up cost I wonder ?

Ummm....

charlie14

Benedict wrote: »

There's a piece in the Irish Indo today re water charges. It seems that IW have decided to postpone the charges further - but no date is given for when they will want payments to be made.

Among the reasons given for the postponement is CV-19.

Irish Water, any port in a storm when it comes to deluding themselves Brendan.
Getting a bit desperate though are they not when it took them so long to look to this particular port.:)


Glad to see Covid-19 hasn`t added you to the numbers Brendan. Hope you and yours ride this out and we are both around for Irish Water`s next chapter of their fairy tale on collecting water charges.

charlie14

PommieBast wrote: »

Postpone? I must have missed something as I thought charges were dead in the water...

You didn`t. They are.
To quote Michael Noonan, a dead cat fouling up the pitch.

ELM327

PommieBast wrote: »

Postpone? I must have missed something as I thought charges were dead in the water...

They are, political suicide for any attempt made to the contrary

Benedict

Is IW still pretending it knows how much a non-metered home is using?


Because if they don't, then they can forget charging non-metered homes.


Therefore, they must also forget about charging metered homes.

So where are the homes they intend to charge?

Mars?

Brendan Bendar

Benedict wrote: »

Is IW still pretending it knows how much a non-metered home is using?


Because if they don't, then they can forget charging non-metered homes.


Therefore, they must also forget about charging metered homes.

So where are the homes they intend to charge?

Mars?

Venus it would appear.

charlie14

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Venus it would appear.

Well at least for the first time with Irish Water that would make sense.
Venus is closer to Earth than Mars.

Timistry

PommieBast wrote: »

Postpone? I must have missed something as I thought charges were dead in the water...

We are in breach of EU rules... it will be back

charlie14

Timistry wrote: »

We are in breach of EU rules... it will be back

Not according to the EU highest court on Union law, The European Court of Justice we`re not ......and no it will not be even be up for consideration for at the least a lifetime.

Timistry

charlie14 wrote: »

Not according to the EU highest court on Union law, The European Court of Justice we`re not ......and no it will not be even be up for consideration for at the least a lifetime.

The polluter pays principle will be enforced. Water is one of the most pressing issues according to the UN and will be a global metric

Plumbthedepths

Timistry wrote: »

The polluter pays principle will be enforced. Water is one of the most pressing issues according to the UN and will be a global metric

Grand so but the UN has no say over potential water charges in Ireland. You said we were in breach of EU rules, a poster pointed out you were wrong. Watch those straws they might be thorny. ;-)

charlie14

Timistry wrote: »

The polluter pays principle will be enforced. Water is one of the most pressing issues according to the UN and will be a global metric

You may want to check out the ruling of the ECJ on The Commissioner v Germany and associated States on The Water Framework Directive.
Water is not just a pressing issue globally. It is also very lucrative for companies when privatised.

Nevin Parsnipp

charlie14 wrote: »

You may want to check out the ruling of the ECJ on The Commissioner v Germany and associated States on The Water Framework Directive.
Water is not just a pressing issue globally. It is also very lucrative for companies when privatised.

Still bangin away at the old "privatization" drum.......

A straw man argument pal .....

Benedict

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Still bangin away at the old "privatization" drum.......

A straw man argument pal .....

Privatisation is not a straw man - it's a very real man.


When the powers-that-be were asked about making privatisation unconstitutional, the answer was "No need - it won't arise".


Yeah right!