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    #1862
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    janfebmar wrote: »
    ...Maybe you are Francie?...

    Do not make these types of comments. Use Report Post if you have a problem.

    dudara


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    #1863
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote:
    and those who freely aided the Nazi cause are today very properly reviled throughout the world. Except by Irish Republicans.

    Isn't it funny how you and the blanch have not taken the opportunity to 'revile' the blind eye turned by Britain and others to Germany rearming itself during the 1930's?
    During the 1930s, the Nazi government began rearming Germany for what would become the Second World War. The response from Germany’s main opponents, Britain and France, was so muted it was best described as too little, too late.


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    #1864
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I have a picture of a young queen Elizabeth and her sister doing a Nazi salute.

    In 1933, long before the full horrors of Nazi Germany were exposed. When prancing around on a lawn I done a Usian Bolt type salute once, means nothing.

    A lot different to erecting the only statue to a Nazi collaborator in Europe, long after the war ended. No wonder the Jews are so offended.


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    #1865
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    janfebmar wrote: »
    In 1933, long before the full horrors of Nazi Germany were exposed. When prancing around on a lawn I done a Usian Bolt type salute once, means nothing.

    A lot different to erecting the only statue to a Nazi collaborator in Europe, long after the war ended. No wonder the Jews are so offended.


    What year did Russell ‘collaborate’ with the Nazis again?


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    #1866
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    janfebmar wrote: »
    In 1933, long before the full horrors of Nazi Germany were exposed. When prancing around on a lawn I done a Usian Bolt type salute once, means nothing.

    A lot different to erecting the only statue to a Nazi collaborator in Europe, long after the war ended. No wonder the Jews are so offended.

    Seán Russell died in 1940.
    As you said. Long before the full horrors of Nazi Germany were exposed.

    So if we can forgive the young queen for her actions we can forgive Seán his no?


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    #1867
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Seán Russell died in 1940.
    As you said. Long before the full horrors of Nazi Germany were exposed.

    So if we can forgive the young queen for her actions we can forgive Seán his no?

    Prancing around on a lawn in 1933 is a lot different to the leader of the IRA collaborating or attempting to collaborate on board a German submarine at sea during WW2. The Germans were not running Disney type joyride out in to the Atlantic at that time.


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    #1868
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Prancing around on a lawn in 1933 is a lot different to the leader of the IRA collaborating or attempting to collaborate on board a German submarine at sea during WW2. The Germans were not running Disney type joyride out in to the Atlantic at that time.

    You’re contradicting yourself.
    If the queen wasn’t aware she can’t be blamed as nobody knew the full extent of what the Nazis were up to.
    Russell didn’t either. But you seem to want to blame him not her

    I’m sensing a theme here


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    #1869
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Prancing around on a lawn in 1933 is a lot different to the leader of the IRA collaborating or attempting to collaborate on board a German submarine at sea during WW2. The Germans were not running Disney type joyride out in to the Atlantic at that time.

    Do you think they were planning a Disney ride when they marched unimpeded into the Rhineland displaying their illegal armaments while Britain and France' looked on?


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    #1870
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You’re contradicting yourself.
    If the queen wasn’t aware she can’t be blamed as nobody knew the full extent of what the Nazis were up to.
    Russell didn’t either. But you seem to want to blame him not her

    I’m sensing a theme here

    In 1933 the Nazis had not invaded countries or driven out Jews etc. The world was a different place in the 1940s.


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    #1871
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    janfebmar wrote: »
    In 1933 the Nazis had not invaded countries or driven out Jews etc. The world was a different place in the 1940s.

    You miss the point again.
    Leaders of the 1916 rising also collaborated with the Germans for guns and artillery to fight agains the Brits. Are they any different to this?
    Sean’s case is no different.
    In war you’ll take any advantage you can against an enemy.


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    #1872
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You miss the point again.
    Leaders of the 1916 rising also collaborated with the Germans for guns and artillery to fight agains the Brits. Are they any different to this?
    Sean’s case is no different.
    In war you’ll take any advantage you can against an enemy.

    IRA artillery in 1916? No need to read the rest of your post.


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    #1873
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    janfebmar wrote: »
    IRA artillery in 1916? No need to read the rest of your post.

    You haven’t heard of 1916?
    You’re not really from here are you though

    *there was no Ira in 1916 btw. There was an irb though


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    #1874
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You haven’t heard of 1916?

    Of course I heard of 1916, but you said the leaders of the 1916 rising collaborated with the Germans for Artillery?

    Do you know what Artillery is?


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    #1875
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Of course I heard of 1916, but you said the leaders of the 1916 rising collaborated with the Germans for Artillery?

    Do you know what Artilerry is?

    They asked. They didn’t get.
    They didn’t get the guns either.

    But as usual you are so easily defeated and pathetically dodge the actual question I asked.

    Diddums


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    #1876
    _blaaz
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Of course I heard of 1916, but you said the leaders of the 1916 rising collaborated with the Germans for Artillery?

    Do you know what Artillery is?

    They literally arrested roger casement for attempting to bring arms onto a beach in kerry


    Rather ironically got to eire via submarine too


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    #1877
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    _blaaz wrote: »
    They literally arrested roger casement for attempting to bring arms onto a beach in kerry


    Arms, not Artillery. I was not aware the leaders of the 1916 rising used Artillery, as was claimed a few posts ago?


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    #1878
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Motion to have ‘a nation once again’ as the national anthem when we’re reunited.

    All in favour say aye

    Haha


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    #1879
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Arms, not Artillery. I was not aware the leaders of the 1916 rising used Artillery, as was claimed a few posts ago?

    Nobody said they used artillery.
    They asked the Germans for guns and artillery.
    They got guns.

    Then didn’t get the guns.

    Please keep up.


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    #1880
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Motion to have ‘a nation once again’ as the national anthem when we’re reunited.

    All in favour say aye

    Haha
    With B. Prods out as the chorus line?


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    #1881
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Arms, not Artillery. I was not aware the leaders of the 1916 rising used Artillery, as was claimed a few posts ago?

    *they also considered offering the German monarchy rule over Ireland.
    Then They realised they’d just be swapping one german monarchy for another so decided against it haha


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    #1882
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Leaders of the 1916 rising also collaborated with the Germans for guns and artillery to fight agains the Brits.

    Guns, not Artillery. The reason German gun dealers had some guns for sale was because they were obsolete by modern gun standards at the time, but perfectly ok for terrorist type / guerilla type warfare / call it what you want.


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    #1883
    Stop moaning ffs
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    With B. P out as the chorus line?

    Actually you’re right. It’s a bad idea.

    It’ll probably be u2 or Phil counter that’ll write the new anthem


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    #1884
    _blaaz
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Guns, not Artillery. The reason German gun dealers had some guns for sale was because they were obsolete by modern gun standards at the time, but perfectly ok for terrorist type / guerilla type warfare / call it what you want.

    They got same rifles (303 iirc)germans were using in the trenches at the time?


    You are so poorly informed about this,5 mins ago you didnt even know they got arms ffs


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    #1885
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    _blaaz wrote: »
    They got same rifles (303 iirc)germans were using in the trenches at the time?


    You are so poorly informed about this,5 mins ago you didnt even know they got arms ffs

    Agreed. Hasn’t a clue.


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    #1886
    droidman123
    Registered Users Posts: 5,438 ✭✭✭droidman123


    janfebmar wrote: »
    In 1933, long before the full horrors of Nazi Germany were exposed. When prancing around on a lawn I done a Usian Bolt type salute once, means nothing.

    A lot different to erecting the only statue to a Nazi collaborator in Europe, long after the war ended. No wonder the Jews are so offended.

    So you think the jews would be offended by loyalists using nazi flags and emblems in their right wing approach?


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    #1887
    RobMc59
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    Probably not as offended as the relatives of those murdered in the kingsmill massacre when SF MP macelduff mocked them by putting a loaf on his head.


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    #1888
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Probably not as offended as the relatives of those murdered in the kingsmill massacre when SF MP macelduff mocked them by putting a loaf on his head.


    Another running theme. Same posters unable to answer questions constantly resorting to whatabouttery.
    It’s uncanny.


    Here’s the question again



    So you think the jews would be offended by loyalists using nazi flags and emblems in their right wing approach?


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    #1889
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Janfebmar, direct question: do you think the statue of Carson should be taken down due to his involvement in illegal gun running, sedition and collaboration with a private miliitia?


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    #1890
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    _blaaz wrote: »
    They got same rifles (303 iirc)germans were using in the trenches at the time?


    You are so poorly informed about this,5 mins ago you didnt even know they got arms ffs

    Wrong, totally wrong again, you remind me so much of Francie. I questioned the 1916 leaders getting Artillery, as was claimed. You do know there is a difference between arms and artillery?


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    #1891
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Wrong, totally wrong again, you remind me so much of Francie. I questioned the 1916 leaders getting Artillery, as was claimed. You do know there is a difference between arms and artillery?

    Keep screaming wrong over and over again....its pure self projection from yous now tbh


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