Brian Cowen unwell

Trigger Happy

Sometimes if you have nothing nice to say then it's best to say nothing. This might be one of those times.

Danzy

No respect for the man after what he helped do to the country and the lives they ruined but thoughts with his wife and family.

Collie D

RHJ wrote: »

Sadly that is the world we live in today bloody snowflakes. If he were still fit and healthy ( not that he's ever been that way) half the people here in this thread would have no problem criticising him.

Question for yourself and the person you quoted: Did you see the OP before it was deleted by mod? There’s no need for that type of post.

Indefensible!

pjohnson

Hoboo wrote: »

More offended people. Wouldn't be 2019 without them. Can only have an opinion on someone if they're fit and healthy.

RHJ wrote: »

Sadly that is the world we live in today bloody snowflakes. If he were still fit and healthy ( not that he's ever been that way) half the people here in this thread would have no problem criticising him.

Edgelords u r so cool. Your family must be so proud x

ILoveYourVibes

Guys a brain hemorrhage is basically a continuous stroke for hrs or days until the poor person passes away.

Its HORRIBLE.

I will never forget my Aunt describing it to us she was with her husband every minute.

It was very traumatic for her to see particularly in the hour before the ambulance came.

He bled from his nose and looked like he was having a seizure. But its a long stroke.

Its basically one long stoke until the person passes. Its very painful.

You have the initial incident then the hospital time.

40% of people die the rest are left with very severe damage.


My aunt was traumatized FOR MONTHS after it happened. She had nightmares and couldn't go into the room where it happened.

I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

If he survives his life will never be the same.

I wish him and his family every love and support. They are going to need it.

Darc19

Met him once at an event (nothing to do with politics), very charming man, very witty and enthralled us with superb voice mimicking of various politicians.

Another great story was his conversation with a westminister lord about their respective "estates" - after pow wowing for an hour and listening to his lordship talking about his hundreds of acres and hunting grounds and Cowen answering back in his grandest British accent regarding his "estate", the lord finally asked what size estate Cowen had

In deep Offaly accent, Cowens reply was 12 acres of bog in Clara.

Comic genius

RHJ

pjohnson wrote: »

Hoboo wrote: »

More offended people. Wouldn't be 2019 without them. Can only have an opinion on someone if they're fit and healthy.

RHJ wrote: »

Sadly that is the world we live in today bloody snowflakes. If he were still fit and healthy ( not that he's ever been that way) half the people here in this thread would have no problem criticising him.

Edgelords u r so cool. Your family must be so proud x

Ahh thanks hun x

s7ryf3925pivug

There was a rumour going around people you'd expect to know that he died the day it was publicised that he was ill. The media weren't going to announce it until his family were informed was the story. It was bollocks though.Very weird.

fergus1001

TheValeyard wrote:

I partially blame him for the crash, but I wouldnt wish any harm or illness upon him. Hope he makes a recovery.

He wasn't directly responsible for the crash, that was set up by Bertie Ahern who left office just as he seen the dark clouds on the horizon and Brian was left with the baby, bathwater and the banks, history will be kind to him I'm sure,

not a FF supporter btw

I wish him and his family well

Ken.

Mod-RHJ do not post in this thread again.

Tell me how

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Guys a brain hemorrhage is basically a continuous stroke for hrs or days until the poor person passes away.

Its HORRIBLE.

I will never forget my Aunt describing it to us she was with her husband every minute.

It was very traumatic for her to see particularly in the hour before the ambulance came.

He bled from his nose and looked like he was having a seizure. But its a long stroke.

Its basically one long stoke until the person passes. Its very painful.

You have the initial incident then the hospital time.

40% of people die the rest are left with very severe damage.


My aunt was traumatized FOR MONTHS after it happened. She had nightmares and couldn't go into the room where it happened.

I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

If he survives his life will never be the same.

I wish him and his family every love and support. They are going to need it.

Jesus H ILYV, this is nearly as bad as what the OP was. Nobody connected to Brian Cowen or otherwise who has a family member suffering from such an affliction would be in the better for reading this.

Vlthap

TheValeyard wrote: »

I partially blame him for the crash, but I wouldnt wish any harm or illness upon him. Hope he makes a recovery.

He was the one who was handed the reins as soon as it became evident that the crash was about to happen. Bertie Ahern came out smelling like roses but history won't be kind to him. Just look at Charlie Haughey!

Jupiter Mulligan

Maybe merge this thread with this one:- https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057994591 ?

The rectum-brained lump of excrement who opened this thread certainly meets the prediction made in the first post of the above link.

ILoveYourVibes

Emmie Faint Skulduggery wrote: »

There was a rumour going around people you'd expect to know that he died the day it was publicised that he was ill. The media weren't going to announce it until his family were informed was the story. It was bollocks though.Very weird.

It's not weird. Not with a brain hemorrhage.

I am not supposing about this particular case.

But you can have Brain death. Or some of the factors of brain death like aponea.

That's what happened to my uncle.

He had a long stoke. Then was partially brain dead for along time.

Itssoeasy

I may not agree with a lot of politicians in this country but I disagree with them on issues that have nothing to do with them personally.I heard less than parliamentary language about two prominent politicians at the weekend including being referred to as "the antichrist". I mean I've never met Brian Cowen but I'd never wish ill of the guy. I mean politicians have families who are affected but this stuff.

Sleeper12

Hoboo wrote:

More offended people. Wouldn't be 2019 without them. Can only have an opinion on someone if they're fit and healthy.

Never heard of don't kick a man when he's down? Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean that every situation is a time to voice said opinion. The nasty comments effect his family & friends at a very difficult time for them.

odyssey06

fergus1001 wrote: »

He wasn't directly responsible for the crash, that was set up by Bertie Ahern who left office just as he seen the dark clouds on the horizon and Brian was left with the baby, bathwater and the banks, history will be kind to him I'm sure,
not a FF supporter btw
I wish him and his family well

He wasnt parachuted in from Mars to takeover from Bertie. He was Minister for Finance and was the one who opened the taps into that bath.
Instead of preparing for the worst when the inevitable downturn came he left us defenceless. Whatever talents as a politician they were put at the service of FF not Ireland.

Jupiter Mulligan

Vlthap wrote: »

He was the one who was handed the reins as soon as it became evident that the crash was about to happen. Bertie Ahern came out smelling like roses but history won't be kind to him. Just look at Charlie Haughey!

But Biffo didn't have to run for leader! He could have left it to one of FF's brighter stars, like Willie O'Dea or Eamon O'Cuiv!

ILoveYourVibes

Tell me how wrote: »

Jesus H ILYV, this is nearly as bad as what the OP was. Nobody connected to Brian Cowen or otherwise who has a family member suffering from such an affliction would be in the better for reading this.

I had a family member suffering from this affliction remember? Read the post.

And yes its helpful to have other people who really knew the truth.

If people KNEW right now they wouldn't be saying these things.

Gimme A Pound

Hoboo wrote: »

More offended people. Wouldn't be 2019 without them. Can only have an opinion on someone if they're fit and healthy.

RHJ wrote: »

Sadly that is the world we live in today bloody snowflakes. If he were still fit and healthy ( not that he's ever been that way) half the people here in this thread would have no problem criticising him.

Yes you absolutely can have an opinion on someone if they're not fit and healthy - don't be hysterical. You can just be a non **** about. I recently criticised both John McCririck and the human rights lawyer (the plane escapade) when they died. No prob whatsoever with it.

Also, some people seem utterly incapable of using the term "snowflake" correctly.

See below for an example of how not to be a ****. And note that the writer of it was not reprimanded in any way. I suggest growing up.

Danzy wrote: »

No respect for the man after what he helped do to the country and the lives they ruined but thoughts with his wife and family.

joe40

Everyone is wise after the event. I remember the 2007 election. There wasn't a single party talking about not spending or potential banking collapse or housing collapse.
Very few in power saw it coming, that combined with misinformation or lack of information from the banks all contributed to the collapse.
It is nice to have a bogey man to blame but that is not the reality.

mikeym

joe40 wrote: »

Everyone is wise after the event. I remember the 2007 election. There wasn't a single party talking about not spending or potential banking collapse or housing collapse.
Very few in power saw it coming, that combined with misinformation or lack of information from the banks all contributed to the collapse.
It is nice to have a bogey man to blame but that is not the reality.

Bertie must have seen it coming because he got out at the right time.

Azatadine

Not sure why the assumption that brain haemorrhage = death. That's not true. It depends on the type of bleed, severity of bleed and where its located. I know a couple of people over the years who've had them and recovered completely.

Of course, some people unfortunately get bad ones and dont make it but many do recover too.

joe40

mikeym wrote: »

Bertie must have seen it coming because he got out at the right time.

Bertie had his own personal problems with bank accounts and handouts to deal with, that is why he got out.

ILoveYourVibes

Azatadine wrote: »

Not sure why the assumption that brain haemorrhage = death. That's not true. It depends on the type of bleed, severity of bleed and where its located. I know a couple of people over the years who've had them and recovered completely.

Of course, some people unfortunately get bad ones and dont make it but many do recover too.

Yes.

Their lives are usually never the same though. 66% of those who survive suffer some permanent neurological deficit.

In 40% of cases its fatal though.

Very few make a full recovery.

fergus1001

odyssey06 wrote:

He wasnt parachuted in from Mars to takeover from Bertie. He was Minister for Finance and was the one who opened the taps into that bath. Instead of preparing for the worst when the inevitable downturn came he left us defenceless. Whatever talents as a politician they were put at the service of FF not Ireland.

Charley McCreevy opened the taps, as I remember it all parties were screaming for more spending at that time

Edgware

Vlthap wrote: »

He was the one who was handed the reins as soon as it became evident that the crash was about to happen. Bertie Ahern came out smelling like roses but history won't be kind to him. Just look at Charlie Haughey!

History will be kind to Ahern and indeed to Haughey but if history is fair it should be able to shown the good and the bad of all

Mad_maxx

fergus1001 wrote: »

Charley McCreevy opened the taps, as I remember it all parties were screaming for more spending at that time

Mc reevy wanted to reign in public spending, that wasn't bertie ahernes style so mc reevy was sent to Europe and replaced with a more union friendly operator in cowen

Even when Brian lenehan was trying to rescue an awful situation, cowen was itching to please the public sector unions and undermining lenehan

Hope he recovers but he was a dreadful minister for finance and taoiseach

Edgware

fergus1001 wrote: »

Charley McCreevy opened the taps, as I remember it all parties were screaming for more spending at that time

I remember Rabbitte roaring about the country being awash with money. Of course Labour realised then that they were stupid to pull the plug on the Reynolds government and it kept them out of government for 15 years.
Its shocking to think that 23 years after that. Howlin is still around looking for power

DeanAustin

Hope he gets better. He was out of his depth as Taoiseach but by the time he got it, he was doomed to failure no matter who he was. However, I don't believe Cowen ever went out to do anything but his best for the country. He just made a host of bad decisions as Minister for Finance and when he led the country.

More annoying is the "Cowen is to blame for the crash" or "Bertie is to blame for the crash". No one individual is solely to blame. It was a culmination of factors and thousands of people have culpability. Some a lot more than others but no one person caused it. Lots of people made mistakes and most people would have done similar to Bertie and Cowen in their positions. There were very few voters calling for spending cuts in the 2007 election. Some people are just great donning the Captain Hindsight costume and at simplistic scapegoating.

Cowen certainly didn't set out to wreck the country. It happened on his watch but didn't happen solely because of him. And, to me, he always came across as a decent fella unlike Bertie who always struck me as a man quite happy to line his own pockets. I hope the fella makes a recovery and some of the people engaging in the online bile take a good, long hard look in the mirror. Criticism is fine, abuse is not. Online abuse is just cowardly, classless and pretty vile.