Brian Cowen unwell

holyhead

Allinall wrote: »

Who do you think should receive treatment in one of the best hospitals in the state?

The best facilities should be available to every citizen in the state regardless of income.

holyhead

holyhead wrote:

The best facilities should be available to every citizen in the state regardless of income.

Why?

Faugheen

People are giving out about Brian Cowen getting the best care he can afford?

F*ck off. It's easy for some of the bile-spewing morons to say that but if they were in Cowen's position they'd be doing the exact same thing.

It's having a go at a very ill man for looking after himself in the best possible way.

If he used public resources the same dopes here would be giving out about him getting his healthcare funded by the taxpayer despite his massive pension etc etc.

You can't win with some people.

holyhead

Deleted User wrote: »

Why?

Why not?

Health care and education are essentials of living.

As for Brian Cowen. I don't begrudge him good healthcare or good health. His use of private hospitals and their very existence is evidence of a two tier health system.

dudara

Faugheen wrote: »

F*ck off. It's easy for some of the bile-spewing morons to say that but if they were in Cowen's position they'd be doing the exact same thing.

Please be civil to other posters

dudara

Faugheen

dudara wrote: »

Please be civil to other posters

dudara

Noted, but you have to agree that the argument over where he should get his healthcare is bang out of order.

jackboy

holyhead wrote: »

Why not?

Health care and education are essentials of living.

As for Brian Cowen. I don't begrudge him good healthcare or good health. His use of private hospitals and their very existence is evidence of a two tier health system.

Someone has to pay for health. People with money pay more and so get better service. If private health care was scrapped in Ireland it would make no difference to those who currently use the public system. It would just mean that those with money would go abroad for a lot of treatments.

gordongekko

Gael23 wrote: »

He could have gone into a Public ward in Beaumont which is an excellent Nuerological centre. Why to one of the country top private hospitals.

Stinks of elitism

Im sure when he was in pain and possibly semi unconscious he gave instructions around where he should be treated :rolleyes:

Galwayguy35

The things that have been said about the man over the last few days on FB have been disgusting, the internet really does bring out the worst in some people.

Yes he made mistakes but but I do think Cowen was a decent skin who did think he was doing the right thing at the time.

odyssey06

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yes he made mistakes but but I do think Cowen was a decent skin who did think he was doing the right thing at the time.

He was no Charlie Haughey in fact was on the 'right' side of that battle within FF - but I think he made the mistake of equating 'the right thing' as what was good for Fianna Fail as being what was good for the country.

branie2

He's only human, as we all are

rn

In fairness to Brian Cowan he did his best under huge pressure as Irelands economy crashed. There were few "right" choices at that time. And none of us can understand what it was like during those days. We judge in hindsight.

I do wish him well as he has done the country a good service. He's too young to have serious health issues. Hope he has a speedy recovery.

odyssey06

rn wrote: »

In fairness to Brian Cowan he did his best under huge pressure as Irelands economy crashed. There were few "right" choices at that time. And none of us can understand what it was like during those days. We judge in hindsight.

My 'party' comments were mainly driven on his pre-crash giveaway budgets as Minister for Finance. The criticism at the time (not just in hindsight) was that they left Ireland unprepared for a downturn when it came, that they were blatant election budgets, and that they were good for Fianna Fail not the country.

It's hindsight to say that he should have foreseen the 2008 crash.
It's not hindsight to say that some sort of downturn was going to happen and a Minister for Finance should plan for that.

In hindsight and in the long run, he, Fianna Fail and the country would have been better off had he taken a more fiscally responsible budget position as Minister for Finance - and lost the election in 2007.

Allinall

odyssey06 wrote: »

My 'party' comments were mainly driven on his pre-crash giveaway budgets as Minister for Finance. The criticism at the time (not just in hindsight) was that they left Ireland unprepared for a downturn when it came, that they were blatant election budgets, and that they were good for Fianna Fail not the country.

It's hindsight to say that he should have foreseen the 2008 crash.
It's not hindsight to say that some sort of downturn was going to happen and a Minister for Finance should plan for that.

In hindsight and in the long run, he, Fianna Fail and the country would have been better off had he taken a more fiscally responsible budget position as Minister for Finance - and lost the election in 2007.

Had Brian Cowan been more prudent in the three or four budgets leading up to the crash, it wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference.

It would have saved a drop in the ocean, if you will forgive the mangled cliche.

The worldwide economic collapse was totally out of our cont.

Atlantic Dawn

Allinall wrote: »

The worldwide economic collapse was totally out of our cont.

The monitoring of what banks were lending in this country was under the remit of the Central Bank, this is where our problem was, controlling what they were lending would have resulted in far less of a problem. External factors mearly meant these basket case banks couldn't get access to even more money and dig themselves an even bigger hole.

JP Liz V1

Any update?

James Brown

Allinall wrote: »

Had Brian Cowan been more prudent in the three or four budgets leading up to the crash, it wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference.

It would have saved a drop in the ocean, if you will forgive the mangled cliche.

The worldwide economic collapse was totally out of our cont.

We were due our own crash, if anything the worldwide crash helped to hide that fact and our systems failings and cosy relationship between the likes of Cowen and Fingers, for a time.

creeper1

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Any update?

It has been a while. I wonder if there is any indication that he may return to health?