Random EV thoughts.....

UID0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447977#Comment_118447977

The rules in the US are different, requiring a break after 8 hours of duty time, and a maximum of 14 hours from your last 10 hour off-duty break, with a maximum of 11 hours driving in the 14 hours. To minimise the travel time for long distance (multi-day) journeys, the optimum break pattern is drive for somewhere between 3 and 8 hours, take your 30 minute break and then continue until the 11 hour driving is reached. Then take the 10 hour break and start again. It gives 11 hours driving in 21.5 hours. This can be continued up to the 60 hour/7 day or 70 hour/8 day duty window is reached. The delay there still comes only if the break in the middle is more than 30 minutes.

For local drivers (operate within 100 miles of their base and start and end every day at their base), the rules are different. For these drivers, they are allowed to drive 12 hours per day with no break requirements. I don't see the Tesla Semi being appropriate for them if they are not able to charge while loading/unloading.

kanuseeme

It will be the same problem as with EVs, everyone wanting a charge at the same time, a 30 minute stop is fine but what about queues, more chargers? more batteries for said chargers? or just plant the chargers right beside a mini nuclear reactor?

I think this is a better solution, smaller batteries required or even just a normal truck with an added electric motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3P_S7pL7Yg

ELM327

Kanuseeme - a better version of what you posted already exists. A rail network!

kanuseeme

Did you watch the clip? It has wheels and no sign of a rail anywhere, in fact there is a car behind the lorry.

The guy said equip 33% of the road network and it reduces 66% green house emissions of the trucks.

Its a practical solution, not some imaginary rail network that delivers to every business door, trucks are sometimes in constant use, 2 drivers sharing a cab or shift work,

I am trying to think of any successful rail delivery companies, maybe we should go greener again and use canals and barges towed by horses.

This idea already exists, nearly every city in the world has some sort of tram, the final mile delivery can be made on diesel or battery.

I give up, build your 1,5 mega Watt chargers and expand the railways

ELM327

No I mean they have to drive wherever there's a "rail" of power cables set up. Theres literally no benefit to that.

1.5mW already isnt too far off. Any hub of 8 V3 chargers has 2 * 1mW charger hubs.

The benefit is the constant charging and ability to run "from the cables" when under them.

Think of it more like how cruise control is not much use in a city, but great on the motorway.

ELM327

Its about as practical as battery swapping. A short term measure at best.

AndyBoBandy

Irish Ferries now charging €15 for EV charging on their Ferries to/from U.K./France;

EDIT: This was from a fare from Dublin - Cherbourg, so it might indeed be cheaper on the quicker Dublin - Holyhead route

ELM327

Good lord what a ripoff. I wouldnt be doing that so. 15 quid for 3 hours charging at 16a? When I used the charger before I got 3 hours of fluctuating 10-16a at 200v. Not worth the hassle.

crisco10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118454931#Comment_118454931

It's the same price for the Dublin - Cherbourg route. so in that instance you get about ~18 hours for €15. I suppose there is a high convenience factor of being able to get off the boat fully charged if you have a spin ahead of you.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118455163#Comment_118455163

For anyone travelling a bit of distance to or from Dublin Port, the extra €15 on a fare of close to a grand would seem like small change for the convenience of not needing a charge upon landing back in Dublin... or when arriving in France.

I reckon 10% would get me to Dublin Port, so I'd be arriving on the boat at ~90%, and then have the SuC's in France, and when coming back to Ireland, landing in Cherbourg with about 15-20% should suffice to get me home the next day. But say I had to drive to Galway from Dublin Port, getting off the boat at 100% would be very nice.

cannco253

How many cars can charge on the ferry, how many POD Point II's are on the car decks?

Black_Knight

Makes sense. I'd say they've had a huge increase in the number of cars wanting to charge while crossing, and it's always been free. Now those who want it, can have it if they pay for it. I've plans to tip to France on a wine run. I wouldn't need range when I get there, but if it was free i'd take it. Now i'd probably just charge up close to the departure port in Ireland.

AndyBoBandy

I don't know how many they have, but would like to think now they are charging for it they should be putting more on every ship....

I also understand the flat fee as once a car is parked there, it's not like another car can then charge when one is full, so you're paying for the spot and charge for the 18 hour duration of the sailing, and whether you take 1kWh or 60kWh in that time is up to you..

be nice to have a full car lane against a wall with 20 chargers along it.. they'd hardly notice the electricity anyway as they are generating megawatts for the electric propulsion motors as well as ships systems so it's win win really for them...

Imagine landing in Dublin in an EV and needing a charge... and hoping maybe you could get on 1 of the 2 chargers in the port!!! F**k that. pay €15 and get off the boat at 100%

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456329#Comment_118456329

you have a point, A) your guaranteed your charging spot. and B)getting off at Ireland with 100%, in one of the bigger battery cars would mean you could get to most places in ireland without having to stop.

Been thinking if I was heading to dublin, (from the NW) Id be eyeing up the ionity at city north, even its expensive, and have an e-Niro and cant take advantage of the speed, but theres 2, and most likely available.

AndyBoBandy

I priced a return trip to France there in August for €1,300 so another €30 to ensure you get off the boat at both ends at 100% could be invaluable to someone. If I was travelling to Dublin Port from 100+km away, I'd be booking that charger all day long.

russelldlee

Not sure if this is the right place, but can anyone recommend the best value EV Charger on a pedestal?

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456661#Comment_118456661

You might have better luck asking here;

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057839190/home-charge-points-purchase-problems-questions-see-mod-note-post-1

crisco10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118456329#Comment_118456329

The irony, was just booking the ferry for the summer, and thought for the flexibility I'd try for EV charging on way home (not at all essential given I live in Dublin), but it was fully booked! And that's for a sailing in September.

cannco253

https://tritiumcharging.com/tritium-announces-completion-of-business-combination-with-decarbonization-plus-acquisition-corporation-ii/

Listing on NASDAQ today, don't they provide a lot of the Ionity chargers?

"Tritium expects the capital raised through the transaction, together with its anticipated additional funding, to help fund its growth as a technology market leader in the EV charging space, expand to three global manufacturing facilities, grow global sales and service operations teams, maintain its capital needs, and other corporate uses."

Are Tritium the biggest manufacturer of chargers outside of Tesla or ABB?

I think Tesla manufacture Superchargers in New York and Shanghai at the moment.

AndyBoBandy

I passed a white Mercedes EQA 250 on the M1 today, and I have to say it was a fairly pretty looking car (from behind anyway). are they mad money?

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118475011#Comment_118475011

55-60k i think

cant see why you would buy one over a Q4 etron

zg3409

Tritium as far as I know are Australian and have only 50kW and 75kW and here (they sell 150kW) tend to be easygo or applegreen own branded 50kW chargers. There is one 75kW between cork and Limerick but supply limited to less. They tend to be less reliable than ABB units if rumours are true.

In terms of ferry charging I would typically arrive 1+ hours early for ferry so I would possibly fill up just before ferry at 50kW charger. I have heard stories of charger on ferry not working , but I might pay for convenience if a full family on board It's normal enough for ferry companies to overcharge for extras such as flexible tickets, hopefully they will add loads of chargers in time.

The overhead power lines on motorways is nothing new. In many countries public busses latch on to tram power lines when in city and use diesel when not on power lines. Irish rail are ordering electric trains with batteries so they can do dart line trips, and go a few stations beyond overhead lines running on batteries thus extending the dart lines without installing more overhead lines.

It does seem as a bit of a stop gap solution to install a network of power lines on busy routes to mid trip trucks. Battery swap or truck /cab swap might be more practical for regular cross continent trips.

cannco253

https://insideevs.com/news/560953/bp-fast-chargers-profitability/

BP's head of customers and products Emma Delaney told Reuters that strong and growing demand (including a 45% increase in Q3 2021 vs Q2 2021) has brought profit margins of fast chargers close to fuel pumps.

"If I think about a tank of fuel versus a fast charge, we are nearing a place where the business fundamentals on the fast charge are better than they are on the fuel,"

The charging business as a whole is not yet profitable, because currently - in the expansion phase - it requires very high investments. According to the article, it will remain like that until at least 2025:

"The division is not expected to turn profitable before 2025 but on a margin basis, BP's fast battery charging points, which can replenish a battery within minutes, are nearing levels they see from filling up with petrol."

cannco253

https://inews.co.uk/news/lithium-electric-cars-batteries-rise-cost-vehicles-carbon-neutral-uk-climate-1343403

The price of lithium carbonate is now almost $24,000 per tonne, up 290 per cent in a year.  

Analysis from BloombergNEF suggests average battery prices could rise by $3 per kWh in the first half of 2022, the first price increase for lithium batteries since BloombergNEF started tracking the data in 2010. 

“The rising cost of commodity prices would certainly start biting the battery industry in the first half of 2022 if the price rally continues,” says Dr Kwasi Ampofo, head of metals and mining at BloombergNEF. 

cannco253

My insurance is up for renewal this month.

Currently with Aviva who have offered €310 which they said is their minimum car policy premium.

I see Allianz has a minimum of €284.

What's the lowest anyone's paid here?

eagerv

Mine recently went up to their new minimum of €310, I suppose can't complain too much, was €280 for last while. Missus the same on her new Ioniq 5.

Fingleberries

Thanks for raising the topic of insurance, I'm going to be shopping around soon (hopefully) for insurance purposes on a V id.3 Tour 5.

I'll come back here with a quote when I get one.

AndyBoBandy

What if any sort of EV wouldn't get too upset if it spent a few months sitting idle on a driveway, and only used a few times a year during a holiday etc...?

I guess with them all they'd need regular use to keep the battery healthy?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118546137#Comment_118546137

I remember reading about buying LFP cells for a home battery and the manufacturer said they're delivered with a 50% charge since that'll minimise degradation when stored for along time

Not sure if NMC cells in the Tesla behave the same way but it might be worth looking into?

Although, I'm not sure I follow the logic of owning a car that only gets used a couple of times a year 😁