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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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    #782
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Perhaps people should look at Peter Shore ’s and Tony Benn’s opinion of the EEC back in the time of the previous Referendum .


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    #783
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    blinding wrote: »
    Perhaps people should look at Peter Shore ’s and Tony Benn’s opinion of the EEC back in the time of the previous Referendum .

    Yeah, sure because nothing had changed in 41 years.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #784
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Yeah, sure because nothing had changed in 41 years.
    Interesting in how right these two men were about what the Eu would become .:eek::eek::eek:


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    #785
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    lfen wrote: »
    Trying to bring myself up to speed with Brexit and this thread has acted as a very decent 'Brexit 101' :)

    In plain terms, can someone explain to me why house prices in Ireland would decrease if the UK crash out of the EU?
    It is all speculation; nothing is definite but this is my understanding of what may happen...
    The belief is that a hard Brexit will affect Ireland economically.
    Should Ireland take a hit (and depending on the size of the hit), you will find exports to the UK affected (due to tariffs, etc). Imports from the UK may also be affected as they may not meet EU specifications.
    Therefore production, etc will be affected and therefore some people may lose their jobs or be forced to take pay cuts.
    The banking sector will become more prudent (as much as the banking sector does prudence) in this event and not provide as much funding to the mortgage market. Mortgage applicants may find that they don't get as much or that their application is turned down.
    If the money to buy houses isn't as available then demand decreases and so prices decrease.


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    #786
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    blinding wrote: »
    Interesting in how right these two men were about what the Eu would become .:eek::eek::eek:

    How so? Be specific please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #787
    storker
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    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks the British did not know what they were voting on should go and read the ballot paper. It really was not a difficult choice, leave or remain in the EU

    As I suspect you know, there was more than one way to leave the EU, which is why the question was such a poor one, and it makes it obvious that nobody was expecting the vote to be carried. Everything about that referendum was half-assed, and still is.

    You can leave your house and stand on the driveway for a few minutes, or walk out your front door and go to work for a day, or walk out your door and go on an expedition to Antarctica. In each case, you've walked out your front door, but that alone doesn't mean a whole lot. Being specific aids clarity. The Brexit referendum question was unspecific and had no clarity.


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    #788
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    How so? Be specific please.

    Here , watch ,listen and learn . Peter Shore .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoO6146qM5g

    Tony Benn .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI6mzHkx3xA

    Ye are all welcome to this educational material .:P


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    #789
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    storker wrote: »
    As I suspect you know, there was more than one way to leave the EU, which is why the question was such a poor one, and it makes it obvious that nobody was expecting the vote to be carried. Everything about that referendum was half-assed, and still is.

    You can leave your house and stand on the driveway for a few minutes, or walk out your front door and go to work for a day, or walk out your door and go on an expedition to Antarctica. In each case, you've walked out your front door, but that alone doesn't mean a whole lot. Being specific aids clarity. The Brexit referendum question was unspecific and had no clarity.
    They most certain did not vote to stay in the Eu .:D


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    #790
    ancapailldorcha
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    blinding wrote: »
    Here , watch ,listen and learn . Peter Shore .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoO6146qM5g

    Tony Benn .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI6mzHkx3xA

    Ye are all welcome to this educational material .:P

    Can you not make your own argument instead of dumping links?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #791
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Can you not make your own argument instead of dumping links?
    At least watch / listen to these two fine men have to say .

    Education is no Burden !


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    #792
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    They most certain did not vote to stay in the Eu .:D

    They voted to leave, and they issued Art 50 (the notice to leave) negotiated a deal in good faith with the EU and now Euro Skeptic, anti EU MP's cannot agree on what they want as Remain MP's can't.

    And the EU wait in more or less silence, for them to decide. Nobody's fault but the UK's that they are not gone.


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    #793
    ancapailldorcha
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    blinding wrote: »
    At least watch / listen to these two fine men have to say .

    Education is no Burden !

    I'm afraid that I have no interest in indulging lazy link-dumping. Either your argument merits the time and effort to construct yourself or it's worthless. Clearly the latter in your case.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #794
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They voted to leave, and they issued Art 50 (the notice to leave) negotiated a deal in good faith with the EU and now Euro Skeptic, anti EU MP's cannot agree on what they want as Remain MP's can't.

    And the EU wait in more or less silence, for them to decide. Nobody's fault but the UK's that they are not gone.
    Re-Mainer Eu-Phile MPs are thwarting the Democratic Decision of the People at every turn . They are doing it again today .

    Many of these MPs fraudulently stole their seats .

    The British people will have their Democratic decision to leave the Eu respected in the end .

    Democracy and the Freedom that goes with it will win in the end .


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    #795
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭storker


    blinding wrote: »
    They most certain did not vote to stay in the Eu .:D

    In what form?


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    #796
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    Re-Mainer Eu-Phile MPs are thwarting the Democratic Decision of the People at every turn . They are doing it again today .

    Many of these MPs fraudulently stole their seats .

    The British people will have their Democratic decision to leave the Eu respected in the end .

    Democracy and the Freedom that goes with it will win in the end .

    Even the two LEAVE candidates for PM cannot agree on the way to leave FFS. Stop living in some sort of twilight zone of your own invention.


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    #797
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    storker wrote: »
    In what form?
    There is approx 168 Countries in the world NOT in the Eu .

    The British People Voted to be one of them .:D


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    #798
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    blinding wrote: »

    Many of these MPs fraudulently stole their seats .

    So the British people were codded in the general election but not in the non binding referendum?


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    #799
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭storker


    blinding wrote: »
    Re-Mainer

    Someone who had moved away from Maine but has since returned?


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    #800
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭storker


    blinding wrote: »
    There is approx 168 Countries in the world NOT in the Eu .

    The British People Voted to be one of them .:D

    They're not all "not members of the EU" in the same way...are they?. Do you even know this? Actually don't bother answering. You're either uninformed, thick, a (poor) troll, or a mixture of all three, and not worth engaging with any further.

    This is the debating equivalent of clubbing a baby seal... :rolleyes:


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    #801
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    So the British people were codded in the general election but not in the non binding referendum?
    The British people were told both before and after the Referendum that they Result of the Referendum would be Enacted .

    Inconvenient for you but completely Accurate and True .:D


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    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    The British people were told both before and after the Referendum that they Result of the Referendum would be Enacted .

    Inconvenient for you but completely Accurate and True .:D

    It was enacted.
    The representatives of the British people cannot agree on how to do it. Europhiles Euroskeptics and anti EUers.

    Can you address this at all or are you just going to keep up the childish fingers in ears.


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    First Up
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    blinding wrote:
    The British people were told both before and after the Referendum that they Result of the Referendum would be Enacted .


    So when will they enact it? We are getting impatient with them.


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    #804
    ambro25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks the British did not know what they were voting on should go and read the ballot paper. It really was not a difficult choice, leave or remain in the EU
    The clearest evidence that the British did not know what they were voting for, is the enduringly non-trivial volume of polled Brits supporting a no deal Brexit, whether in opinion polls or through voting BXP MEPs in.

    Darwin-worthy imbecilic behaviour, exhibited by meeellions of them.

    Sorry my Irish friends (we'll give and send all the help we can), but they and the rest of the mostly-apathetic UK absolutely need to go through the Brexit wringer to learn the errors of their ways. No different to little kids or puppies: sometimes you need to dispense some tough love and rub their nose in it hard, for learning to occur and be assimilated.

    For Brits, after 4 years of this sh*tshow, that time is now. And I say this, still heavily invested (emotionally only, but decades-old family ties) in the place.


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    #805
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    blinding wrote: »
    The British people were told both before and after the Referendum that they Result of the Referendum would be Enacted .

    Inconvenient for you but completely Accurate and True .:D

    Maybe they were fooled in the same way that the people who voted for May and the remainders were fooled. Holding a binding referendum should clear it up.


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    #806
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    First Up wrote: »
    So when will they enact it? We are getting impatient with them.
    31st of October .

    If it does not happen then the pretence that Britain is a Democratic Country Cannot Continue .

    Respect Democracy and the Freedom that goes with it .


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    #807
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Maybe they were fooled in the same way that the people who voted for May and the remainders were fooled. Holding a binding referendum should clear it up.
    The referendum was a binding referendum as Stated by Prime Minister Cameron ( both before and after the referendum ) and Prime Minister May and now to be said by Prime Minister Johnson .

    The British are leaving the Eu as decided by the Referendum .

    Respect Democracy and the Freedom that goes with it .


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    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    blinding wrote: »
    The referendum was a binding referendum as Stated by Prime Minister Cameron ( both before and after the referendum ) and Prime Minister May and now to be said by Prime Minister Johnson .

    The British are leaving the Eu as decided by the Referendum .

    Respect Democracy and the Freedom that goes with it .

    So if they had a second referendum and voted to stay you’d respect that as a result of a democratic process.

    Good to know.


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    #809
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    blinding wrote: »
    The referendum was a binding referendum as Stated by Prime Minister Cameron ( both before and after the referendum ) and Prime Minister May and now to be said by Prime Minister Johnson .

    The British are leaving the Eu as decided by the Referendum .

    Respect Democracy and the Freedom that goes with it .
    It's not what politicians say that counts its the legislation.

    You should have a read Someday.


    European Union Referendum Act 2015



    The act made no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government.


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    #810
    First Up
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    blinding wrote:
    If it does not happen then the pretence that Britain is a Democratic Country Cannot Continue .


    Who will you blame for that?


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    #811
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    So if they had a second referendum and voted to stay you’d respect that as a result of a democratic process.

    Good to know.
    I do think there should be a General Election before any 2nd referendum .

    The Electorate have to give their verdict on these MPs before these MPs can have another referendum .

    In any case there will be no other Referendum before a General Election nor should there be .


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