Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

Show me the links and facts and ill believe you
I have allready showed you mine and they are all opposite of what you are saying

All the facts are in numerous books dedicated to the campaign, which you can buy or get on loan from a library.

When you read a few of them, you'll get that the general gist of the matter was, to quote John Terraine, that the British planning for the Norway fiasco "displayed an amateurishness and feebleness which to this day can make the reader alternatively blush and shiver."

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

All the facts are in numerous books dedicated to the campaign, which you can buy or get on loan from a library.

When you read a few of them, you'll get that the general gist of the matter was, to quote John Terraine, that the British planning for the Norway fiasco "displayed an amateurishness and feebleness which to this day can make the reader alternatively blush and shiver."

That might be the case,but they still crippled the german kriegsmarine badly and won back Narvik together with their allies.
So i guess this makes up for it.

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

Grand strategy PC game. Quite detailed. Think strategic war gaming.

I'm a tactical man, myself...Combat Mission & ASL.

CtevenSrowder

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Noone is proposing that. You are lying.

You'd be in favour of such a move though, would you not?

ohnonotgmail

Bonniedog wrote: »

He was not attacked for being gay. The second speaker on Saturday is gay.

He was attacked for his association with a long time defender of the abuse of children. Which is what adult men having sex with boys is.

O'Gorman has also been criticised for his plans to allow under 16s to be surgically "treated" for gender dysphoria. Against the view of several medical people who work with such children, and on recommendation of a committee with transgender activists on it.

Is he supposed to be immune from criticism because he is gay?

do you have a link to these plans? a press release or something similar.

RWCNT

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

do you have a link to these plans? a press release or something similar.

Don't bother, they've already switched up their story.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Once the proposal is in law, then next step will be to allow surgery with parental consent then the extremists will attack the need for parental consent.


This is how these things work as evidenced by other countries across the entire agenda.

1800_Ladladlad

A black Portland police officer speaks out against the racism of Antifa, which is mostly white kids speaking over black people in the name of black lives. White savior complex writ large.

https://twitter.com/celinedryan/status/1283844517624311808

biko

The Portland Elk statue destroyed by Antifa/BLM

biko

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

A black Portland police officer speaks out against the racism of Antifa, which is mostly white kids speaking over black people in the name of black lives. White savior complex writ large.

https://twitter.com/celinedryan/status/1283844517624311808

Overheal

Military cosplayers with no badges make false arrests of Portland protesters,

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-badgeless-federal-officers-force-portland-protesters-into-unmarked-vehicles/

https://twitter.com/heerjeet/status/1283982691210153985?s=21

I don’t see any protestors behavior that justifies it and they certainly kept their cool for people who just witnessed an illegal abduction

He was released within 90 minutes after being refused access to a lawyer and subsequently being offered no record of his arrest even though they made the effort to eventually read him his Miranda rights. Civil rights lawyers will be swarming over this. Intimidation tactics pure and simple.

biko

Broadly speaking, US law enforcement officers do not have a legal duty to disclose either their identities or their agencies of affiliation, even if asked directly.
Certain municipalities require police officers to identify themselves if asked, but there is currently no federal statute requiring officer disclosure of such information.

But yes, it's intimidation alright. Is it working?

Overheal

biko wrote: »

Broadly speaking, US law enforcement officers do not have a legal duty to disclose either their identities or their agencies of affiliation, even if asked directly.
Certain municipalities require police officers to identify themselves if asked, but there is currently no federal statute requiring officer disclosure of such information.

But yes, it's intimidation alright. Is it working?

Given all evidence to date definitely not, it just makes people bolder and certainly more resentful of law enforcement not less.

One thing Portland PD could do in this situation is escort protesters around these protests, especially of the federal building, in such a way that there would be little chance of these abductions from continuing, which appear extrajudicial given the lack of identification, charges, or record of arrest. Unfortunately that's not likely to happen or be correctly viewed.

One more reason to vote Trump out of office. The next POTUS needs to immediately order an end to these gestapo-lite arrest tactics.

Tasfasdf

Overheal wrote: »

Military cosplayers with no badges make false arrests of Portland protesters,

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-badgeless-federal-officers-force-portland-protesters-into-unmarked-vehicles/

https://twitter.com/heerjeet/status/1283982691210153985?s=21

I don’t see any protestors behavior that justifies it and they certainly kept their cool for people who just witnessed an illegal abduction

He was released within 90 minutes after being refused access to a lawyer and subsequently being offered no record of his arrest even though they made the effort to eventually read him his Miranda rights. Civil rights lawyers will be swarming over this. Intimidation tactics pure and simple.

Most likely was an undercover cop. He and the police were way to calm for the situation. He didn't even panic, give his name or say nothing for that matter to protesters especially being illegal abduction as you say.

Overheal

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Most likely was an undercover cop. He and the police were way to calm for the situation. He didn't even panic, give his name or say nothing for that matter to protesters especially being illegal abduction as you say.

The person arrested was an undercover cop?

No not likely. Not panicking or identifying is far from any indication. I've been arrested, I didn't panic, I wasn't asked to identify myself, I didn't get belligerent, and I'm not an undercover cop either. I don't see how your reasoning sticks, it just seems like fishing for a reason to deny this happened.

Chris_Heilong

Overheal wrote: »

Military cosplayers with no badges make false arrests of Portland protesters,

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-badgeless-federal-officers-force-portland-protesters-into-unmarked-vehicles/

https://twitter.com/heerjeet/status/1283982691210153985?s=21

I don’t see any protestors behavior that justifies it and they certainly kept their cool for people who just witnessed an illegal abduction

He was released within 90 minutes after being refused access to a lawyer and subsequently being offered no record of his arrest even though they made the effort to eventually read him his Miranda rights. Civil rights lawyers will be swarming over this. Intimidation tactics pure and simple.

They are not Military cosplayers they are military, they have been detaining rioters since July 14th, They are rioters, if the guy in the video was able to prove he did noting illegal and was let go then good for him but Portland is a hellhole right now and needs to be brought under control, if the rioters were not rioting then nothing would be happening, they tried to burn down a courthouse.

ohnonotgmail

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

They are not Military cosplayers they are military, they have been detaining rioters since July 14th, They are rioters, if the guy in the video was able to prove he did noting illegal and was let go then good for him but Portland is a hellhole right now and needs to be brought under control, if the rioters were not rioting then nothing would be happening, they tried to burn down a courthouse.

i am unaware of Trump invoking the Posse Comitatus act so they are very unlikely to be military. and citizens do not have to prove they ave done nothing illegal. It is supposed to the US not russia or china.

Overheal

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

They are not Military cosplayers they are military, they have been detaining rioters since July 14th, They are rioters, if the guy in the video was able to prove he did noting illegal and was let go then good for him but Portland is a hellhole right now and needs to be brought under control, if the rioters were not rioting then nothing would be happening, they tried to burn down a courthouse.

What proof is there that they are the military? The wore no badges, and in fact their uniforms if anything said simply "Police" - which is definitely not the military, the only police in the military are Military Police, and they don't have the same role as Police and they are clearly differentiated:

Since U.S. Army Military Police Soldiers and U.S. Air Force Security Forces Airmen are members of the armed forces, they are prohibited from exercising domestic law enforcement powers under the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA), a federal law passed in 1878. MPs may enforce certain limited powers, such as traffic stops, on access roads and other federal property not necessarily within the boundaries of their military base or installation. When combined, the Posse Comitatus Act and Insurrection Act place significant limits on presidential power to use the military in a law enforcement capacity. The PCA directly applies only to the Army and Air Force, without mentioning the Navy and Marine Corps. The Navy and Marine Corps are limited from enforcing domestic laws due to DoD policy and regulations.

The only military forces exempt from the act are the United States Coast Guard, as its mission includes maritime law enforcement duties; United States Space Force, which has authority to conduct law enforcement regarding space-related activities; and Army and Air National Guard units while under state authority. Army and Air National Guard troops are not exempt from Posse Comitatus while they are serving under federal Title 10 orders.

So without proving any evidence of authority, failing to identify themselves, I am left to believe these were cosplayers, and this was felony kidnapping. The fact is anyone could go to a military surplus store, suit up, rent a van, and go abduct people. What separates them from Authorities is badge and/or proper identification and due process - none of which happened here.

"Hell Hole" is hardly the case here yes? I'm sure I could hop over to Portland right now and it would be a very normal, run of the mill place. What are you defining as a hellhole, what is the standard here, what are the criteria for being a hell hole? Subjective waffle.

James Brown

We can expect the MAGA defenders of the constitution to break out the assault rifles and shoot these unidentified armed groups picking protesters off the street right? ..right?
People bitch about protesters and fearmonger with antifa, these unidentified armed groups with federal authority are okay though.
The U.S A. Is f****d.

Overheal

Bowie wrote: »

We can expect the MAGA defenders of the constitution to break out the assault rifles and shoot these unidentified armed groups picking protesters off the street right? ..right?

No of course not, not while these groups are targeting the liberals.

Irony being these Trumpers always love it when their sycophants trot out the "First they came for the Jews" poem when they are slighted.

Sand

Bowie wrote: »

We can expect the MAGA defenders of the constitution to break out the assault rifles and shoot these unidentified armed groups picking protesters off the street right? ..right?
People bitch about protesters and fearmonger with antifa, these unidentified armed groups with federal authority are okay though.
The U.S A. Is f****d.

If any group attempts a 'citizen arrest' on rioters in Portland, they'll be vanned before you can say guantanamo bay. Power protects its pawns. The intimidation factor of groups like antifa is that they are backed and supported by institutional power.

Overheal

Sand wrote: »

If any group attempts a 'citizen arrest' on rioters in Portland, they'll be vanned before you can say guantanamo bay. Power protects its pawns. The intimidation factor of groups like antifa is that they are backed and supported by institutional power.

This is a bewildering comment to make in regard to Antifa protestors being in fact vanned off by institutional power, not being backed and supported by it.

Sand

Overheal wrote: »

This is a bewildering comment to make in regard to Antifa protestors being in fact vanned off by institutional power, not being backed and supported by it.

I already accept you're not able to understand or interpret current events. You don't need to keep providing sample data. The testing is complete.

Overheal

Sand wrote: »

I already accept you're not able to understand or interpret current events. You don't need to keep providing sample data. The testing is complete.

Feel free to enlighten the room, how is institutional power backing and defending Antifa?

James Brown

Sand wrote: »

If any group attempts a 'citizen arrest' on rioters in Portland, they'll be vanned before you can say guantanamo bay. Power protects its pawns. The intimidation factor of groups like antifa is that they are backed and supported by institutional power.

You are mistaken. We are discussing federal backed employees with no identification or markers, picking protesters off the street putting them in Vans and driving them away.
This is happening.

I've no idea how that plays into your narrative.

Protestor federal arrests

Chris_Heilong

Overheal wrote: »

Feel free to enlighten the room, how is institutional power backing and defending Antifa?

They are possibly talking about the mayor of portland who has been known to turn a blind eye as well as tell the police not to interfere as Antifa thugs run amok in the town.

nofiller69

Lol.

I dont know if its severe mental illness/delusion. But Trump supporters will literally spin protestors being arrested as some sort of Liberal deep state agenda.

My god. How do you achieve this nonsensical thought process?

manual_man

I don't know if it's mental illness or delusion, but some will amazingly try to equate violent masked goons as "protesters". What's happening now in Portland with the sustained Antifa riots is the result of 3 years where Antifa were largely given free reign to do whatever they want by Democrat Mayor Ted Wheeler. And all the time the Democrat Party as a whole has been stunningly silent. Silence is compliance. Democrats have fomented all of this. And not just in Portland. In cities all over America, Democrats are terrified to call out the violent extremist elements in their ranks. I hear just now that the Democratic National Convention Committee have said that members of Congress should not plan to travel to this summer's party convention in Milwaukee. They're afraid of the mob that they've created.

Tasfasdf

biko wrote: »

Biko, absolutely perfect way to describe Antifa

Brian?

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Biko, absolutely perfect way to describe Antifa

Yeah, why attempt a cogent argument when you can share a meme.

Mr. Karate

Overheal wrote: »

Military cosplayers with no badges make false arrests of Portland protesters,

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-badgeless-federal-officers-force-portland-protesters-into-unmarked-vehicles/

https://twitter.com/heerjeet/status/1283982691210153985?s=21

I don’t see any protestors behavior that justifies it and they certainly kept their cool for people who just witnessed an illegal abduction

He was released within 90 minutes after being refused access to a lawyer and subsequently being offered no record of his arrest even though they made the effort to eventually read him his Miranda rights. Civil rights lawyers will be swarming over this. Intimidation tactics pure and simple.

But..But... This isn't the Communism that I want. They got a good lesson here. When you want Communism you get all of it. You don't get to pick and choose what part of Communism you want or don't want.

I can't feel too bad because they carried this on for way too long and they would gladly cheer this on if it was happening to anyone that doesn't goosestep to their ideology.