Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

overkill602

Always blame the west for the trouble in the region Iran is still a mess it was sanctioned because it wants a Nbomb and could never be-trusted it would give the bomb to any of the many proxy factions it funds in the region why can they just live in harmony like some of its neighbours, all it fcuking wants is chaos in the region, its sporting for a fight will probably target a warship next as it would up the anti.... then
annihilate the bastards carpet bomb them to oblivion death to Iran
or as they want nuclear so much drop a small one on them let them eat the radiation might dampen there appetite
The saudi's are scared of there **** of the houtis "great fighters" because the could nearly walk in to ryaiad unopposed and game over its Iran's, but you can be sure the US is watching

Seizing ships and bombing oil wells belonging and in another country is an act of war and a threat to the global economy cudios for max restraint but we can expect more.

kildare lad

overkill602 wrote: »

Always blame the west for the trouble in the region Iran is still a mess it was sanctioned because it wants a Nbomb and could never be-trusted it would give the bomb to any of the many proxy factions it funds in the region why can they just live in harmony like some of its neighbours, all it fcuking wants is chaos in the region, its sporting for a fight will probably target a warship next as it would up the anti.... then
annihilate the bastards carpet bomb them to oblivion death to Iran
or as they want nuclear so much drop a small one on them let them eat the radiation might dampen there appetite
The saudi's are scared of there **** of the houtis "great fighters" because the could nearly walk in to ryaiad unopposed and game over its Iran's, but you can be sure the US is watching

Seizing ships and bombing oil wells belonging and in another country is an act of war and a threat to the global economy cudios for max restraint but we can expect more.

But the west has caused a lot of stuff in the middle East . Does the recent war in iraq ring a bell . There was nuclear treaty in place , where Iran would receive their own money back they'd had frozen on them . Trump ripped up that treaty because Obama had signed it . Trump also put sanctions on Iran so Iran retaliated . Also america helped install a dictator in Iran In the 50s after Iran tried to nationalise their oil . They also helped Iraq during their war with Iran

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

So maybe that could be a reason Iran hold a grudge While your correct about Iran arming groups in the middle East , so does America , they were arming rebel groups in Syria who were fighting along side ISIS.

Timberrrrrrrr

overkill602 wrote: »

Always blame the west for the trouble in the region Iran is still a mess it was sanctioned because it wants a Nbomb and could never be-trusted it would give the bomb to any of the many proxy factions it funds in the region why can they just live in harmony like some of its neighbours, all it fcuking wants is chaos in the region, its sporting for a fight will probably target a warship next as it would up the anti.... then
annihilate the bastards carpet bomb them to oblivion death to Iran
or as they want nuclear so much drop a small one on them let them eat the radiation might dampen there appetite
The saudi's are scared of there **** of the houtis "great fighters" because the could nearly walk in to ryaiad unopposed and game over its Iran's, but you can be sure the US is watching

Seizing ships and bombing oil wells belonging and in another country is an act of war and a threat to the global economy cudios for max restraint but we can expect more.

So you would like to kill a couple of million innocent people because they refuse to bow to the Yanks?

Danzy

kildare lad wrote: »

But the west has caused a lot of stuff in the middle East . Does the recent war in iraq ring a bell . There was nuclear treaty in place , where Iran would receive their own money back they'd had frozen on them . Trump ripped up that treaty because Obama had signed it . Trump also put sanctions on Iran so Iran retaliated . Also america helped install a dictator in Iran In the 50s after Iran tried to nationalise their oil . They also helped Iraq during their war with Iran

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

So maybe that could be a reason Iran hold a grudge While your correct about Iran arming groups in the middle East , so does America , they were arming rebel groups in Syria who were fighting along side ISIS.

To a degree that us true but it is also true that people overegg the West is at fault for everything line.

There were imperial wars empires and regional rivalries 10000 years ago, when this country, for example was still recovering from the ice age.

The war in Iraq was damaging but this is all about another war in Iraq.

The battle of Karbala.

The fallout from that has manifested in near every century in the Middle East.

They have their own motivations, capable of their own thought and actions. Might not be popular to say that the trend is to view them as helpless, in need of saving by passionate activists.

cameramonkey

Danzy wrote: »

There were imperial wars empires and regional rivalries 10000 years ago, when this country, for example was still recovering from the ice age.

That's fascinating,what imperial wars were these and what regional rivalries?

kildare lad

Danzy wrote: »

To a degree that us true but it is also true that people overegg the West is at fault for everything line.

There were imperial wars empires and regional rivalries 10000 years ago, when this country, for example was still recovering from the ice age.

The war in Iraq was damaging but this is all about another war in Iraq.

The battle of Karbala.

The fallout from that has manifested in near every century in the Middle East.

They have their own motivations, capable of their own thought and actions. Might not be popular to say that the trend is to view them as helpless, in need of saving by passionate activists.

Well if that's the case , maybe they need brutal dictators to keep everyone in line. I'm reading a book about the SAS in iraq at the minute. The civil war that started there after the occupation would make the conflict in the north look like child's play . Shia and Sunni Muslims blowing up each other's neighbourhoods , killing 50, 60, 70 people with each bomb . In Libya they helped got rid of Gaddafi , theres now slave markets in Libya. They armed the rebels in Syria and also bombed targets for them , how's Syria now?? Saddam was a c*nt but there'd be a hell of a lot more people alive if America hadn't invaded. They invaded Iraq with false information and they knew it was false. We didn't have suicide bombing in Europe till the Yanks and the Brits decided to invade Iraq and neither did we have millions of refugees coming to Europe. Maybe if the Yanks read a few history books instead of listening to lies from neo conservative politicians , there'd be a few more people walking around including their own soldiers

Gatling

Saudi are currently displaying the physical evidence of drones recovered from the oil site attack ,
Looks pretty damning wreckage of 8 + Iranian drones sitting in front of the UN security council

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

Saudi are currently displaying the physical evidence of drones recovered from the oil site attack ,
Looks pretty damning wreckage of 8 + Iranian drones sitting in front of the UN security council

Houtis have all these weapons in their arsenal. Have not yet seen proof these are weapons Iran used to strike Saudi Arabia. Houtis have already claimed responbility and Iran itself said the Houthis did it.

US and Saudi Arabia first claimed Iraq was involved. They then switched it to blaming Iran.

Markcheese

Gatling wrote: »

Saudi are currently displaying the physical evidence of drones recovered from the oil site attack ,
Looks pretty damning wreckage of 8 + Iranian drones sitting in front of the UN security council

So if someone turns up with wreckage of missiles fired at Yemen will it mean the Americans did it..
I don't doubt the drones were Iranian... Or that suits the Iranians

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Houtis have all these weapons in their arsenal. Have not yet seen proof these are weapons Iran used.

Stop enough of the alternative opinion

Gatling

Markcheese wrote: »

I don't doubt the drones were Iranian... Or that suits the Iranians

It wasn't the American butler in the library now .


The Drones and missles are Iranian there is no other explanation .

It's not the rebels in Yemen ,they weren't launched from Yemen

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

Stop enough of the alternative opinion

They displayed their new arsenal in July this was inside Yemen, not Iran. US and Saudi Arabia have not presented any evidence yet showing Iran launched this attack.

Here is video of the houtis showing off these new weapons- drones and cruise missiles.

Quds cruise missile you see in the video, is the missile the Saudis are now displaying.

cnocbui

Were i running a country, I would make no distinction between enemy A firing missiles at me and enemy A giving enemy B the missiles to fire at me. It's still enemy A having a go; not much use employing a fig leaf to try and disguise that fact.

Danzy

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Houtis have all these weapons in their arsenal. Have not yet seen proof these are weapons Iran used to strike Saudi Arabia. Houtis have already claimed responbility and Iran itself said the Houthis did it.

US and Saudi Arabia first claimed Iraq was involved. They then switched it to blaming Iran.

How many goat herders have missiles?

In all seriousness though, the rockets all came from the wrong side for Houthi fired weapons.

Danzy

kildare lad wrote: »

Well if that's the case , maybe they need brutal dictators to keep everyone in line. I'm reading a book about the SAS in iraq at the minute. The civil war that started there after the occupation would make the conflict in the north look like child's play . Shia and Sunni Muslims blowing up each other's neighbourhoods , killing 50, 60, 70 people with each bomb . In Libya they helped got rid of Gaddafi , theres now slave markets in Libya. They armed the rebels in Syria and also bombed targets for them , how's Syria now?? Saddam was a c*nt but there'd be a hell of a lot more people alive if America hadn't invaded. They invaded Iraq with false information and they knew it was false. We didn't have suicide bombing in Europe till the Yanks and the Brits decided to invade Iraq and neither did we have millions of refugees coming to Europe. Maybe if the Yanks read a few history books instead of listening to lies from neo conservative politicians , there'd be a few more people walking around including their own soldiers

The damage done from the invasion of Iraq will still be playing out for most of our lives.

smurfjed

The saudi's are scared of there **** of the houtis "great fighters" because the could nearly walk in to ryaiad unopposed and game over

The fantasies are getting better, do you really think that the houties have the required supply chains to traverse a 800 km desert?

Beta Ray Bill

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They displayed their new arsenal in July this was inside Yemen, not Iran. US and Saudi Arabia have not presented any evidence yet showing Iran launched this attack.

Here is video of the houtis showing off these new weapons- drones and cruise missiles.

Quds cruise missile you see in the video, is the missile the Saudis are now displaying.

Without a doubt the most alarming thing about this (for the US and it's allies) is that MIM-104 Patriot was not able to stop this attack.

My understanding is that the Saudi's are the biggest operator of this weapon after the US.
I wouldn't imagine they are to happy that the system was unable to protect their assets.

The system seems to be effective against SCUDs and Long Range missiles, but seems vulnerable to drone attacks.
There should have been cover, the SAM has a near 100km range

The Drone just waltzed in and completed it's objective.
No news one whether the Drone made it out though. That being said the fact that there are no pics of a downed drone indicates it probably did make it out (more bad news)

Cheerful Spring2

Danzy wrote: »

How many goat herders have missiles?

In all seriousness though, the rockets all came from the wrong side for Houthi fired weapons.

Not true actually.

New York times reported on it.
"Where the strikes originated remains unclear Administration officials have not publicly said where they believe the attack originated from. They did say that the satellite imagery was consistent with strikes from the north or northwest, which would point to an attack coming from the direction of Iran or Iraq, rather than from Yemen.But the satellite photographs released on Sunday were not as clear-cut as officials suggested, with some appearing to show damage on the western side of the facilities, not from the direction of Iran or Iraq.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/16/world/middleeast/trump-saudi-arabia-oil-attack.html

Houtis claimed responbility
Iran said Houtis did it.
US and Saudi Arabia, claimed first the missiles were fired from Iraq. Day later they blamed Iran.
What proof have the provided the weapons were launched from Iran?

cnocbui

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Without a doubt the most alarming thing about this (for the US and it's allies) is that MIM-104 Patriot was not able to stop this attack.

My understanding is that the Saudi's are the biggest operator of this weapon after the US.
I wouldn't imagine they are to happy that the system was unable to protect their assets.

The system seems to be effective against SCUDs and Long Range missiles, but seems vulnerable to drone attacks.
There should have been cover, the SAM has a near 100km range

The Drone just waltzed in and completed it's objective.
No news one whether the Drone made it out though. That being said the fact that there are no pics of a downed drone indicates it probably did make it out (more bad news)

And exactly how many patriot missiles were fired?

Danzy

Trump has no interest in regime change or war with Iran, he is lowering tension instead of racheting it up now that he has an excuse.

Iran would be be very costly to conquer, it would be the biggest effort since ww2.

It could be demolished militarily and infrastructure wise in weeks but it can also take out Saudi oil infrastructure, maybe even sink a tanker in Hormuz, block the straits.

Nevermind the teams it has in place all over the world to hit US targets abroad in such an event.

Could still escalate out of control.

It'll be easy for America to level everything above a hen house in a few weeks, easier again for Iran to kill the global economy, nevermind say taking out Us embassies or corporate offices across Europe etc.

Cheerful Spring2

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Without a doubt the most alarming thing about this (for the US and it's allies) is that MIM-104 Patriot was not able to stop this attack.

My understanding is that the Saudi's are the biggest operator of this weapon after the US.
I wouldn't imagine they are to happy that the system was unable to protect their assets.

The system seems to be effective against SCUDs and Long Range missiles, but seems vulnerable to drone attacks.
There should have been cover, the SAM has a near 100km range

The Drone just waltzed in and completed it's objective.
No news one whether the Drone made it out though. That being said the fact that there are no pics of a downed drone indicates it probably did make it out (more bad news)

From the Saudi display today. You can see the missile wreckage is Quds-1 cruise missile. It based on Iranian Soumar cruise missile. Quds-1 range is 1400km. More then enough range to hit the Saudi oil facilities from Yemen.

The missiles likely flew low to the ground to avoid radar detection. US uses these weapons for precision targetted strikes.

I not sure what type of drones was used here. If they flew low as well maybe the radar system did not pick them up coming in? I suspect the Saudis shot some of the drones down?

Danzy

cnocbui wrote: »

And exactly how many patriot missiles were fired?

No one said yet, seems none, still stands as a catastrophic failure for the system though.

Didn't detect or didn't hit something aiming at one of the most vital parts of the world economy.

kildare lad

Danzy wrote: »

The damage done from the invasion of Iraq will still be playing out for most of our lives.

While Bush, Blair, Cheney , Rumsfeld will never see the inside of a courtroom , they're all retired now ,on big pensions and living the quiet life after destroying a nation based on lies. Hundreds of thousands dead, millions displaced.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

US and Saudi Arabia have not presented any evidence yet showing Iran launched this attack.

Yes they did

overkill602

Iran wants saudi arabia that why its attacking in a proxy war from yemen.
this was a deliberate attempt to show the Saudis are vulnerable from another front.
Russia is a bad actor in the back round they will supply iran with nukes the day they anix S A Israel will be wiped out although it will fight against overwhelming odds
with syria already in the bag S A will be a piece of cake
Death to America and the rest of us if this happens.
the war has already started how is this not obvious

Gatling

Danzy wrote: »

No one said yet, seems none, still stands as a catastrophic failure for the system though.

Didn't detect or didn't hit something aiming at one of the most vital parts of the world economy.

Or the patriots weren't deployed in that part of Saudi

cnocbui

Danzy wrote: »

No one said yet, seems none, still stands as a catastrophic failure for the system though.

Didn't detect or didn't hit something aiming at one of the most vital parts of the world economy.

The explanation given was that their radar systems were scanning to the SW, but the missiles/drones came from the Southern Iran - to the north, with them then changing course at some point to eventually strike from the NW.

So not a failure on the part of the Patriot system - unless it was deployed and missed - but a failure of intelligence and imagination on the part of the people operating the system.

Gatling

cnocbui wrote: »

So not a failure on the part of the Patriot system - unless it was deployed and missed - but a failure of intelligence and imagination on the part of the people operating the system.

But that's only if the system was deployed at the oil facilities targeted ,and the patriot is designed to target and engage threats at medium and high altitudes and the radar only tracks out to 70 kms , hence why countries should have multi layer systems designed to track and engage threats at multiple altitudes and ranges ,

The Israeli iron dome system would be a better set up over the patriot,

There is also the remote possibility if patriots were deployed and failed massively then outside players could also be involved especially if a patriot battery was jammed some how

Danzy

Gatling wrote: »

Or the patriots weren't deployed in that part of Saudi

If not there, where.

Ten percent of global oil goes through there a day, at that, the best of oil, least sulphourous and they remove more there.

It's one of the most important places in the world economically, for Saudi Arabia it is the reason they exist as anything but nomads in a 50 degree desert.

Gatling

Danzy wrote: »

If not there, where.

Likely around civilian populations and major infrastructure like airports and ports ,

They would have needed hundreds of patriots to cover the distances