Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

rockatansky

Gatling wrote: »

Or is Iran scared ****less of Israel

Until the balance of power is brought somewhat back in line between the two by Iran developing a small enough warhead to fit onto a ballistic missile, it knows to choose its battles carefully.

Gatling

rockatansky wrote: »

Until the balance of power is brought somewhat back in line between the two by Iran developing a small enough warhead to fit onto a ballistic missile,

That won't balance power more likely drive Israel to hit Iran

rockatansky

Gatling wrote: »

That won't balance power more likely drive Israel to hit Iran

It'll make Israel think twice when Iran finally achieves it, which they will.

Bibi knows time is running out.

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

But hizbolla don't have the latest Iranian missles ,

Iran could come out and say rouge forces lunched the attack unknown to them,but that would suggest Iran is not in control of its own weapons which could including their nuclear program,
Which is more worrying which will lead to further international isolation and fewer friends ,

China and putin won't be riding to the rescue of the mad mullahs

Vladimir Vladimirovich is committed to supporting Iran.

Jimmy Garlic

In fact Russia is helping Iran develop its nuclear technology...

https://amp-dw-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.dw.com/en/erdogan-putin-rouhani-hold-productive-talks-on-syria/a-50449646?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&aoh=15686684027464&amp_ct=1568668438720&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.com%2Fen%2Ferdogan-putin-rouhani-hold-productive-talks-on-syria%2Fa-50449646

I love the way Putin taunted Saudi Arabia, he has a great sense of humour.

Scuid Mhór

Not to sound too hyperbolic, but this slow pace with which the relevant parties seem to be hurtling towards an unfortunate confrontation is rather reminiscent of the slow creep towards an Iraq War (which, if I'm not mistaken, the neocons were campaigning for since 1997). I can't help but feel we are witnessing in slow-motion the downward spiral leading to the worst news event of our respective lifetimes. The dominos are coming down one by one. Might be three months, might be a year, might be two, but I fear for the worst at this point in time.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Vladimir Vladimirovich is committed to supporting Iran.

Not really no ,

They don't even have a formal alliance ,

Putin saved face by getting Iran to commit tens of thousands of troops to Syria as he couldn't afford the losses but should he decide he's going to send potentially tens of thousands of russians to their deaths in the middle East he might change his mind with a formal alliance ,but considering Putin is slowly loosing his grip at home chances are he won't be sending russians to bail out Iran

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

Not really no ,

They don't even have a formal alliance ,

Putin saved face by getting Iran to commit tens of thousands of troops to Syria as he couldn't afford the losses but should he decide he's going to send potentially tens of thousands of russians to their deaths in the middle East he might change his mind with a formal alliance ,but considering Putin is slowly loosing his grip at home chances are he won't be sending russians to bail out Iran

It has been announced that they are indeed formalising an alliance.

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1166108/russia-news-vladimir-putin-iran-turkey-donald-trump-world-war-3-spt/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&aoh=15686699800834&csi=1&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F1166108%2Frussia-news-vladimir-putin-iran-turkey-donald-trump-world-war-3-spt

Bad news for the PNAC/Greater Israel crowd, great news for the Middle East. The era of Pax Americana is over.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It has been announced that they are indeed formalising an alliance.

To discuss normalisating Syria.

Israel would still wipe the floor with Syria and Iran and before oul vlaidi starts a sale pitch of should buy russian didn't he tell Assad the same thing and yet Israel still strikes with impunity in Syria against Iranians .

Seems vladis memory is short

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

To discuss normalisating Syria.

Israel would still wipe the floor with Syria and Iran and before oul vlaidi starts a sale pitch of should buy russian didn't he tell Assad the same thing and yet Israel still strikes with impunity in Syria against Iranians .

Seems vladis memory is short

Would Israel wipe the floor with Turkey? Iran on its own could pulverise tightly packed urban Israel with a concentrated missile attack. Iron dome is hard pressed trying to contend with home brew rockets from the Gaza strip, it would barely put a dent in a concentrated Iranian attack.it would be wise now for Israel to extend an olive branch to its neighbours.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Would Israel wipe the floor with Turkey?

They would yes , Turkey has a big military there is no doubt there ,can they fight effectively no , they suffered a fair few losses against kurds in Syria ,
Now put them in front of a well equipped and well trained professional military and see what happens ,

How many armies have Israel dispatched despite being out numbered ,out gunned and less equipped .
Didn't they all use the russian equipment too .

Danzy

Gatling wrote: »

They would yes , Turkey has a big military there is no doubt there ,can they fight effectively no , they suffered a fair few losses against kurds in Syria ,
Now put them in front of a well equipped and well trained professional military and see what happens ,

How many armies have Israel dispatched despite being out numbered ,out gunned and less equipped .
Didn't they all use the russian equipment too .

Russian equipment now is very good.

Their Sukhoi 57 fighter jet is considered to be streets ahead of the American F35, their top market offering.

Not all are like that but the days of the old Ww2 T72 tank shipped out to the Arabs are long gone.

The Chinese and the Russians learnt hard lessons from the beating Saddam took.

That said hard to get against Israel.

If it was at risk of being destroyed America would step in and we'd have the biggest war since WW2.

The Late Late Show

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Not to sound too hyperbolic, but this slow pace with which the relevant parties seem to be hurtling towards an unfortunate confrontation is rather reminiscent of the slow creep towards an Iraq War (which, if I'm not mistaken, the neocons were campaigning for since 1997). I can't help but feel we are witnessing in slow-motion the downward spiral leading to the worst news event of our respective lifetimes. The dominos are coming down one by one. Might be three months, might be a year, might be two, but I fear for the worst at this point in time.

Until Mike Pompeo, rogue agent of Gilead, is removed from office, the threat of a serious war even WW3 is real. Pompeo is a madman who will deliberately set up false flag attacks to start trouble. Nest thing, his sick regime could find itself not just at war with Iran but with Russia as well. I think Pompeo needs to hear he is sacked in a tweet too. He has overstepped the mark with this carry on. Who else had that type of drone technology and expertise only the Gileadeans or the Netanyahoonians. Or was this attack a sort of a covert sick revenge for Saudi involvement with 9/11?

cameramonkey

Gatling wrote: »

They would yes , Turkey has a big military there is no doubt there ,can they fight effectively no , they suffered a fair few losses against kurds in Syria ,
Now put them in front of a well equipped and well trained professional military and see what happens ,

How many armies have Israel dispatched despite being out numbered ,out gunned and less equipped .
Didn't they all use the russian equipment too .

The Israeli army wouldn't last against a well trained army.They couldn't even defeat a lightly armed militia in Lebanon. The armies the Israelis have dispatched were trained to oppress their own people not fight wars, if you thing the Egyptian or Syrian armies are in any way professional you are miss informed.

cnocbui

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It has been announced that they are indeed formalising an alliance.

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1166108/russia-news-vladimir-putin-iran-turkey-donald-trump-world-war-3-spt/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&aoh=15686699800834&csi=1&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F1166108%2Frussia-news-vladimir-putin-iran-turkey-donald-trump-world-war-3-spt

Bad news for the PNAC/Greater Israel crowd, great news for the Middle East. The era of Pax Americana is over.

In terms of GDP, that's like the states of Texas, Pennsylvania and Maryland, getting together to take on the other states.

cameramonkey

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/16/analysis-saudi-arabia-wary-war-iran/

overkill602

Danzy wrote: »

Russian equipment now is very good.

Their Sukhoi 57 fighter jet is considered to be streets ahead of the American F35, their top market offering.

Not all are like that but the days of the old Ww2 T72 tank shipped out to the Arabs are long gone.

The Chinese and the Russians learnt hard lessons from the beating Saddam took.

That said hard to get against Israel.

If it was at risk of being destroyed America would step in and we'd have the biggest war since WW2.

Sukhoi 57 10 flyable prototypes lol

Scared to expose it hardware to battle incase it hurts potential sales

cnocbui

Danzy wrote: »

Russian equipment now is very good.

Their Sukhoi 57 fighter jet is considered to be streets ahead of the American F35, their top market offering.

Not all are like that but the days of the old Ww2 T72 tank shipped out to the Arabs are long gone.

The Chinese and the Russians learnt hard lessons from the beating Saddam took.

That said hard to get against Israel.

If it was at risk of being destroyed America would step in and we'd have the biggest war since WW2.

When was the last time a Russian made jet bested an American one?

The whole point of such aircraft is stealth - the estimated radar cross section of the F22 is 1/4000th that of the estimate for the SU 57.

The F35 is an appalling mistake, IMO, but that said, it probably has about the same RCS as the f22 and some claim it's even lower due to a new anti radar reflective material. The situational awareness due to advanced avionics of the F35 would trump the possibly superior flight dynamics of the SU 57.

Gatling

Danzy wrote: »

Russian equipment now is very good.

Their Sukhoi 57 fighter jet is considered to be streets ahead of the American F35, their top market offering.

Not all are like that but the days of the old Ww2 T72 tank shipped out to the Arabs are long gone.

The Chinese and the Russians learnt hard lessons from the beating Saddam took.

That said hard to get against Israel.

If it was at risk of being destroyed America would step in and we'd have the biggest war since WW2.

I don't think it is , even the russians themselves don't want it it's an expensive project much like the Chinese Stealth fighter /bomber that aren't stealth at all ,for most part the it's a Su37 that they essentially flattened out to look stealth,
It it came to a fight it would be the F22 Vs the SU57

The biggest issue with russian equipment it's mass produced to be easily replaced whenever destroyed that hasn't really changed ,it was seen in the Chechen wars , Georgia and East Ukraine the latest and greatest of tanks and vehicles easily taken out even against older tanks and other armour,

Although Russia is rebuilding it's military it's seems to be focused on a core of 100,000 men and units that can be rapidly deployed till the majority of the forces can be mobilised ,

Putin has been peddling the SU57 to various allies none who seem to actually want it or need it ,China didn't bother , India and Pakistan didn't want it ,and turkey is developing their own homegrown stealth fighter , meanwhile the US are well ahead with development of next generation of Stealth fighters and bombers

They do some great systems but there not perfect not at the US systems

cnocbui

US claims to have pinpointed the launch sites for the Attack on the Abqaiq oil installation. The sites are in Southern Iran and says they will present evidence to the UN general Assembly next week. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49733558

I think it would be bizarre if there wasn't a military response to this - Iraq attacking Kuwait, comes to mind.

TheValeyard

cnocbui wrote: »

US claims to have pinpointed the launch sites for the Attack on the Abqaiq oil installation. The sites are in Southern Iran and says they will present evidence to the UN general Assembly next week. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49733558

I think it would be bizarre if there wasn't a military response to this - Iraq attacking Kuwait, comes to mind.

Well, you would always trust evidence that the US presents to the UN.

cnocbui

The evidence doesn't matter, it's the saying they have evidence which is crucial, as it's something that has to be done before taking further actions/s.

Gatling

TheValeyard wrote: »

Well, you would always trust evidence that the US presents to the UN.

Didn't russia present deny they were in Ukraine ,shot down a civilian airliner killing all on board , attacked hospitals and civilians in Syria , denied chemical weapons were being used in Syria too ,

Yet people keep going on about wmds .


If that's the case we should all sit back and ignore anything going on in the world just because people will be happier to deny the obvious

TheValeyard

Gatling wrote: »

Didn't russia present deny they were in Ukraine ,shot down a civilian airliner killing all on board , attacked hospitals and civilians in Syria , denied chemical weapons were being used in Syria too ,

Yet people keep going on about wmds .


If that's the case we should all sit back and ignore anything going on in the world just because people will be happier to deny the obvious

Never mentioned the Russians, but you cant trust them either and are responsible for many a war crime in Syria and Ukraine.

Cheerful Spring2

"Trump administration is weighing a range of options for a retaliatory action against Iran, including a cyberattack or physical strike on Iranian oil facilities or Revolutionary Guard assets, U.S. officials & others briefed on the deliberations told NBC News

I think Trump looking for more options to avoid escalation. I would not be shocked if he pulled back and did nothing also. With Trump you can never tell.

Pompeo is visiting Saudi Arabia and Israel just had an election. Therefore not expecting anything to happen for another few days to a week.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I think Trump looking for more options to avoid escalation. I would not be shocked if pulled back and did nothing also. With Trump you can never tell.

Avoid escalation -

Sure if he ignores this and the previous attacks on ships and siezing ships by Iran and now a full on attack on Saudi

It gives Iran carte blanche to attack who and what ever they want ,

Danzy

Trump won't bomb if he can avoid it all costs.

They'll have the radar tracking, they'll have satellite images recording the flares from launches.

If he wanted to he has the reason, he has the proof instead he is keeping low key, put it on to Arabia, who'll not want escalation.

He is so obviously non interventionist abroad that it might be used by Iran to further escalate as a negotiation tactic.

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

Avoid escalation -

Sure if he ignores this and the previous attacks on ships and siezing ships by Iran and now a full on attack on Saudi

It gives Iran carte blanche to attack who and what ever they want ,

The Iran tanker was hijacked first at sea. Iran responded
Israel and US often bomb Iranian backed group sites inside Iraq and Syria. Does the media complain about this?
United states likes to pretend Iran is the aggressor in the region, when it actually the opposite.
Iran joined the Syria war to stop the Sunni headchopper jihadists overrunning Syria. The jihadist groups were financially supoorted and armed with weapons belonging to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
Saudi Arabia helped and backed ISIS and Al Qaeda, so i have zero sympathy for this rogue nation.
Saudis are fighting an illegal war in Yemen. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died. Babies and kids are dying daily, and not mention of it on CNN or Fox News.

Just say Iran did it? I really could not give a crap. I just surprised it took them this long to fight back. Countries in the west don't ever accept responsibility for the mess they caused in the region.

Saudi Arabia is leading sponsor of terrorism in the region and we have ignored it for long time. Iran hit their oil facilities hope it hurts.

Milosmith

President Trump just tweeted that he's "no longer Locked and Loaded"

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Israel and US often bomb Iranian backed group sites inside Iraq and Syria. Does the media complain about this?

Bedtime I think