Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

specky4eyes

Gatling wrote: »

Any how



"The leader of Lebanon's Hezbollah has warned that Iran "is able to bombard Israel with ferocity and force" if a war breaks out with the United States.

Sayed Hassan Nasrallah's remarks were broadcast on the movement's Al-Manar television on Friday, following weeks of increasing tensions between the United States and Iran.

"When the Americans understand that this war could wipe out Israel, they will reconsider," Nasrallah said.

"Our collective responsibility in the region is to work towards preventing an American war on Iran."

He said neither Saudi Arabia nor the United Arab Emirates (UAE) had any interest in conflict.

On Friday, the US House of Representatives voted to restrict Trump's ability to attack Iran, voicing fear that his hawkish policies are pushing towards a needless war.

The US considers Hezbollah - the only faction not to have disarmed after the Lebanese 1975-1990 civil war - a "terrorist" organisation.

But it is also a major political player in the small Mediterranean country, taking 13 seats in parliament last year and securing three posts in the current cabinet"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/hezbollah-warns-iran-bombard-israel-war-starts-190713062845782.html

Considering Israel apparently flew jets into Iran including over Tehran unimpeded and undetected making threats to the one state in the region that would hit Iran it's not the smartest move to make under heightened tensions

The first missile that lands in the desert in Iran will instantly bring every city in occupied Palestine under a barrage of missiles, the iron dome can't handle more than three missiles at a time, can't even stop Hamas home made rockets reaching Tel Aviv, then consider all those high precision missiles trained on the Negev nuclear plant in Dimona, Hezbollah has stated that it will make most of USrael uninhabitable, and they can if push comes to shove, Israel will retaliate but Shia don't fear death like the khazars do.

Gatling

specky4eyes wrote: »

The first missile that lands in the desert in Iran will instantly bring every city in occupied Palestine under a barrage of missiles, the iron dome can't handle more than three missiles at a time,

Hezbollah has stated that it will make most of USrael uninhabitable, and they can if push comes to shove, Israel will retaliate but Shia don't fear death like the khazars do.

No and
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Unfortunately your just copy and pasting hizbolla propaganda

specky4eyes

Gatling wrote: »

No and
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Unfortunately your just copy and pasting hizbolla propaganda

That the best you can do?, nothing copy and pasted, just a better understanding of things than you have.

specky4eyes

Gatling wrote: »

No and
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Unfortunately your just copy and pasting hizbolla propaganda

Here's a copy and paste from...............Harretz.

How Many Rockets Has Iron Dome Really Intercepted?
While IDF figures put the Iron Dome missile defense system's success rate at 84 percent, three scientists claim the real figure could be much lower than that.

"Iron Dome’s intercept rate, defined as destruction of the rocket's warhead, was relatively low, perhaps as low as 5%, but could well be lower."

This astonishing figure, which casts a shadow of doubt on the figures published by the Israel Defense Forces regarding the Iron Dome missile defense system, was suggested by Professor Theodore Postol, a world-renowned scientist and expert in missile defense.

Postol, and two other rocket scientists, Dr. Mordechai Shefer, formerly of Rafael, and D., a scientist who until recently worked for Raytheon, the manufacturer of PATRIOT missiles, investigated the performance of Iron Dome performance during Operation Pillar of Defense and all reached similar conclusions: Iron Dome’s rate of success did not come close to the figure of 84% as reported by the IDF.

According to the three scientists, who conducted their research separately by analyzing dozens of videos filmed during the operation, most of the explosions which look as if they were successful interceptions, are actually just the self-destruction of the Iron Dome’s own missiles. The scientists point out that in every case the explosions, seen as balls of fire during the day and clouds of smoke at night, were round and symmetrical. In the case of successful interceptions, in which the incoming missile’s warhead is destroyed, there should have been another ball of fire or cloud of smoke.

They also uncovered a strange phenomenon whereby the Iron Dome’s missiles followed identical trajectories, and self-destructed at precisely the same time. In some of the videos, it appears that the Iron Dome’s missiles made a very sharp turn shortly before self-destruction. That cannot be, say the scientists, as there is no way that the missile defense system could “remember” that it needs to turn in the direction of the incoming Grad missile a quarter-second before it self-destructs.

In some cases, it seems as if the trajectories of Iron Dome missiles were preset.

In many cases, the Iron Dome’s missiles are seen taking a sharp plunge, and chasing after the incoming rockets from behind. In such a scenario, the chances that the interceptor could come into close enough proximity to destroy the incoming missile’s warhead are miniscule. In order to destroy an incoming missile’s warhead, the Iron Dome missile would need to follow a trajectory that would result in a direct hit, or at least a hit at a sharp angle.

Gatling

Seems Iran are looking to change tactics.

They want to talk and de-escalate .


Maybe they are starting to realise war isn't a great option for them

http://news.sky.com/story/iranian-tanker-crew-members-released-without-charge-after-ship-seized-off-gibraltar-11762297

Timberrrrrrrr

Gatling wrote: »

Seems Iran are looking to change tactics.

They want to talk and de-escalate .


Maybe they are starting to realise war isn't a great option for them

http://news.sky.com/story/iranian-tanker-crew-members-released-without-charge-after-ship-seized-off-gibraltar-11762297

Diplomats being diplomatic confuses you?

Of course Iran doesnt want a war, They are being poked and poked and poked by the US into getting into a war that the US hawks want. Iran are actually being very sane in this whole situation and it's making Trump and the warmongers he has hired look quite foolish on the world stage.

Gatling

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Diplomats being diplomatic confuses you?

Of course Iran doesnt want a war, They are being poked and poked and poked by the US into getting into a war that the US hawks want. Iran are actually being very sane in this whole situation and it's making Trump and the warmongers he has hired look quite foolish on the world stage.

I think there might be more To it ,
I think the cleric's and Revolutionary guard have next to no support as it is ,a war against the US there allies and isreal would likely see the end of both ,
You can make all the threats you like but sooner or later you have to put up or shut up

Timberrrrrrrr

Gatling wrote: »

I think there might be more To it ,
I think the cleric's and Revolutionary guard have next to no support as it is ,a war against the US there allies and isreal would likely see the end of both ,
You can make all the threats you like but sooner or later you have to put up or shut up

Sabre rattling has been going on in that region for years. The fact is the US needs war to justify the massive spending.

You give them enough new toys and sooner or later they want to use them (Trump dropping a MOAB in Afghanistan because he wanted to show off) and at the moment Iran is their target of choice.

The Iranians are being calm and this frustrates the US hawks as they know they can't just go in so they keep looking for a reason (any reason) to start a war.

Gringo180

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sabre rattling has been going on in that region for years. The fact is the US needs war to justify the massive spending.

You give them enough new toys and sooner or later they want to use them (Trump dropping a MOAB in Afghanistan because he wanted to show off) and at the moment Iran is their target of choice.

The Iranians are being calm and this frustrates the US hawks as they know they can't just go in so they keep looking for a reason (any reason) to start a war.

The Iranians are indeed playing a very good game here, and this even considering the economic terrorism being waged upon them from the most dangerous government on the face of the planet.

Gatling

Gringo180 wrote: »

The Iranians are indeed playing a very good game here, even considering the economic terrorism being waged upon them from the most dangerous government on the face of the planet.

But there not ,
There is no win for Iran in any situation , unpopular religious leaders and their beliefs and an unpopular military who have turned on their population more than once ,

they are on fairly shakey ground ,
No matter what way you want to look at it

Anti America or not Iran are looking less likely of coming out of this unscathed not least for the cleric's and Revolutionary guard

specky4eyes

Gatling wrote: »

But there not ,
There is no win for Iran in any situation , unpopular religious leaders and their beliefs and an unpopular military who have turned on their population more than once ,

they are on fairly shakey ground ,
No matter what way you want to look at it

Anti America or not Iran are looking less likely of coming out of this unscathed not least for the cleric's and Revolutionary guard

If Iran was attacked and the rulers and IRGC did nothing about it, then the clerics and IRGC would have problems at home, when/if they do retaliate Iran will be more united than ever.

As they have openly stated and have been preparing for, for decades, they will retaliate with every option they have, come what may.

The Late Late Show

specky4eyes wrote: »

If Iran was attacked and the rulers and IRGC did nothing about it, then the clerics and IRGC would have problems at home, when/if they do retaliate Iran will be more united than ever.

As they have openly stated and have been preparing for, for decades, they will retaliate with every option they have, come what may.

Yes. If the Bolton regime gets its way and attacks Iran, Iranians in and out of government will put their differences to one side and unite against the Bolton regime and the MeK puppet it wants to impose. Iran knows the Bolton regime which has been the de facto America government since 9th April 2018 is unpopular in America and the people voted against it in the midterms. On the other hand, most Iranians voted for reformed minded president Hassan Rouhani and want to continue on the road he has taken Iran over the past few years (to change Iran for the better peacefully).

The Iranians often call Bolton's regime the B team and differentiate it from Trump. They know Trump made a mistake allowing Bolton to form his obnoxious regime and know Trump is desperate to get something positive before 2020. Trump could well decide Bolton and co have to go and that Trump could do an 180 degree u-turn on all things Iran and restore relations. They already saw Trump's attempts with Kim Jong Un for example but Iran has more to offer of course and a comprehensive deal could be done.

Gatling

The Late Late Show wrote: »

On the other hand, most Iranians voted for reformed minded president Hassan Rouhani and want to continue on the road he has taken Iran over the past few years

Not really no ,

Iran elections are like russian elections only chosen people get to run who favour the supreme leaders agendas ,
It was claimed he took 23% of the 41 million votes not the majority of Iranians you claimed

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

Not really no ,

Iran elections are like russian elections only chosen people get to run who favour the supreme leaders agendas ,
It was claimed he took 23% of the 41 million votes not the majority of Iranians you claimed

Tell us about elections in Saudi Arabia... that's right, they don't have any.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Tell us about elections in Saudi Arabia... that's right, they don't have any.

It's a kingdom not a democratic country .


Are we talking about Iran or do we have to put up with Saudi this ,isreal this , America that yada yada yada

cameramonkey

Gatling wrote: »

It's a kingdom not a democratic country .


Are we talking about Iran or do we have to put up with Saudi this ,isreal this , America that yada yada yada

Well The OP is about Iran and the USA, so we do have to put up with yada yada about America.

Gatling

cameramonkey wrote: »

Well The OP is about Iran and the USA,.

Yes it's about Iran and USA

Gold star for yourself good fella

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

Yes it's about Iran and USA

Gold star for yourself good fella

Israel and Saudi Arabia are both integral in the attempt to start a war with Iran. Stop trying to tailor things to suit your misguided and painfully simplistic view of the region.

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

It's a kingdom not a democratic country

It is possible to be both. Most monarchies are in fact also democracies. Saudi Arabia is still firmly in the dark ages.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It is possible to be both. Most monarchies are in fact also democracies

But not in this case no......

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Stop trying to tailor things to suit your misguided

This the same i hate America , Israel and Saudi poster
Trying to deflect the discussion to Saudi.

Whats next bring back the Berlin wall ....

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

This the same i hate America , Israel and Saudi poster
Trying to deflect the discussion to Saudi.

Whats next bring back the Berlin wall ....

Never seen you say a bad word against Saudi Arabia, or Israel. Your general view and understanding of that region doesn't stray far from Bush Jr's axis of evil speech in its sheer simplicity.

You can't have a debate about a potential war with Iran and not discuss Israel and Saudi Arabia, both are heavily invested in creating the conditions to start one.

Your moral grandstanding and finger wagging at democracy in Iran is rich considering Saudi Arabia (a country you never scold) has no democracy whatsoever. Israel under Netanyahu isn't the beacon of democracy it pretends to be either.

Timberrrrrrrr

Gatling wrote: »

It's a kingdom not a democratic country .


Are we talking about Iran or do we have to put up with Saudi this ,isreal this , America that yada yada yada

You only want to talk about Iran and not the 3 countries that wish to start a war with them?

realitykeeper

Does anyone understand this business about the Brits seizing an Iranian ship. Prejudices aside, were they wrong or right? Was it an excuse to pick a fight or did they have a legal right and if so was their interpretation of the law correct. Is the law they used a righteous law or is it a Longshanks prima nocta type of law? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi6MOK6ve14

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Never seen you say a bad word against Saudi Arabia, or Israel.

Again your wrong ,

Please stop making stuff up ,

You tried to be clever and it didn't work not for the first time .


The only people crying war is the same small group who turn in every other thread they can mention with their selective history of America did this and America did that and nothing else .

Gatling

realitykeeper wrote: »

Does anyone understand this business about the Brits seizing an Iranian ship. Prejudices aside, were they wrong or right? Was it an excuse to pick a fight or did they have a legal right and if so was their interpretation of the law correct. Is the law they used a righteous law or is it a Longshanks prima nocta type of law? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi6MOK6ve14

I believe it's actually a full legal siezure ,
There maybe some claims of otherwise but I don't think we will see any real court room drama over it ,
It was believed to have being carrying fuel oil which is restricted to Syria (open to correction) it's actually carrying crude oil destined for a refinary in Syria currently under UN sanctions ,for all intents it's a safe stop now was the Gibraltar government action intended to show oh EU were being dutiful member or was it a case of plausible deniability on behalf of the UK government if it all went belly up ,
A marine commando's detachment would suggest they were expecting trouble possible armed forces on board , weapons .
Oddly enough she's (grace 1) supposedly registered in Panama but they insist they removed her registration under them for being directly involved in funding terrorism.

There is more to this story ...



I'm sure we'll get it's a Saudi conspiracy before long

Varik

Any reason given that the tanker was travelling the long way to get to where ever it was officially/secretly going to.

Too big for the canal, had another port of call, or just didn't want the Egyptians giving them too much attention.

Gatling

Varik wrote: »

Any reason given that the tanker was travelling the long way to get to where ever it was officially/secretly going to.

Too big for the canal, had another port of call, or just didn't want the Egyptians giving them too much attention.

Nobody knows for sure , but Iran is known for shipping weapons to hizbolla and other terror groups using ships traveling to and from Africa ,
There has been a number of high profile incidents where Israeli forces have intercepted boats carrying arms and missiles off the coast of Africa over the last few decades

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Varik wrote: »

Any reason given that the tanker was travelling the long way to get to where ever it was officially/secretly going to.

Too big for the canal, had another port of call, or just didn't want the Egyptians giving them too much attention.

I think ships are subject to more scrutiny via the Suez Canal, with cargo being checked when passing through.

They were obviously trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the authorities by going the long way around Africa.

smurfjed

Tell us about elections in Saudi Arabia... that's right, they don't have any.

Do you ever check facts before you post?