Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

notobtuse

specky4eyes wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4fscxEuT1E

I think we'll something a little better than some guy on a YouTube video, frankly.

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

"Iran has warned Britain that it should be “scared” of retaliation after Royal Marines seized an oil supertanker in Gibraltar.

“I am openly saying that Britain should be scared of Iran’s retaliatory measures over the illegal seizure of the Iranian oil tanker,” said cleric Mohammad Ali Mousavi Jazayeri."


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/iran-religious-leader-threatens-uk-capture-oil-tanker-190706091738043.html

I'm beginning to think Iran are hoping for a bloody nose

Wonder if they are using all the sudden bravado to cover up issues at home

Iran knows it not weak like Iraq. They know they can respond.

You have to look at this video to realise there far more advanced militarily than Iraq. They have got silos for god sake, buried deep down underground across the country. Iran responded with force and took down an American drone, they did not hesitant. Trump and co and Fox News can make threats all they like, but there naive if they think Iran will be a pushover.


Iran ballistic inventory is massive probably the largest in the middle east.

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If the dunces of America go to war, I just hope Iran can destroy them. They deserve to be destroyed (the April 2018 regime NOT America or its people). Troublemakers who are hated everywhere. The world would be better off if dunces Bolton, Pompeo and Hook took a hike.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Iran knows it not weak like Iraq. They know they can respond.

You have to look at this video to realise there far more advanced militarily than Iraq. They have got silos for god sake,

See there you go again equating shooting down of a slow moving unarmed surveillance drone to being a major military super power ,

Wow they have silos really ........





(Might save on the funeral costs)

Timberrrrrrrr

Gatling wrote: »

See there you go again equating shooting down of a slow moving unarmed surveillance drone to being a major military super power ,

Wow they have silos really ........





(Might save on the funeral costs)

If the yanks are stupid enough to try get boots on the ground they will need to extend Arlington cemetery quite a few acres.

The last thing Trump will want is pictures of dead servicemen being offloaded by the score.

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Gatling wrote: »

See there you go again equating shooting down of a slow moving unarmed surveillance drone to being a major military super power ,

Wow they have silos really ........





(Might save on the funeral costs)

He compared them to Iraq, not a military super power.

archer22

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Houtis have just released a new video of drones and missiles recieved from Iran. There similar, but not identical to Iranian ones, probably done to hide they based on Iranian- Russian designs.

There reports from Yemen, the UAE is about to remove itself from a military engagement. There winding down military operations. Saudi Arabia will fight alone for now with its professional army.

Interesting that Iran is able to get all that military equipment through the blockade.

They must be sailing around (or under) the dumb old yankees and Saudis :pac:.

Whichever it is it shows a high level of military competency.

Gatling

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If the yanks are stupid enough to try get boots on the ground they will need to extend Arlington cemetery quite a few acres.

But as we all know America doesn't need to put boots on the ground ,they can hammer most countries military infrastructure from the the air or sea without having to put boots on the ground they don't need regime change they can do sufficient damage to set back Iran or others years or possibly decades,
We know isreal is also more than capable of hitting Iran opening up another conflict Iran has to defend against ,it's all well firing missiles blindly hoping to hit something to cause some damage ,

Isreal I believe has the capability to hit iran .


Iran has missiles and mountains which as you very well know in combat isn't worth a damn if you can be physically be stopped from leaving or launching

cameramonkey

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Saudi Arabia will fight alone for now with its professional army.

Saudi Arabia and professional army should never go in the same sentence.

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cameramonkey wrote: »

Saudi Arabia and professional army should never go in the same sentence.

Saudi Arabia, the world's top sponsor of terrorism, has MANY armies: ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, ISIS/ISIL/DAESH. Professional terrorist armies of the worst kind. The American dunces of the April 2018 regime bow down and idolise Saudi Arabia's crown prince MBS. Bolton and Pompeo are afraid they will be carved up perhaps?

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America (the regime not the place or 99% of its people) sucks bigtime. Evil warmongers, hypocrites and a place where the worst politicians are awarded. What is wrong with America? Well:

1. Addicted to war. Over the last 30 years alone, Democrats and Republicans went to war with Iraq (1991), Somalia (1993), Yugoslavia (1993-95), Iraq (1998), Yugoslavia (1999), Afghanistan (2001-), Iraq (2003-), Libya (2011-) and Syria (2017-). The wars became messier and more unnecessary all the time. There are dunces now who want to wage war simultaneously with Iran, Venezuela and Cuba. If Trump was impeached and a more hardline type was president, we'd have at least one major war by now. Pence the silent stooge of Saudi Arabia and Netanyahu or Ted Cruz? Horrifying thought if they became president.
2. Too many unelected appointees. Brian Hook and Bolton are 2 examples of individuals who never stood before the people and got elected. It would be like after a general election here, the Taoiseach appoints Ryan Tubridy as minister for communications, Dessie O'Hare as minister for defence and Michael O'Leary as minister for finance without any of them standing for the Dail ever!
3. Too much meddling by foreign governments. While both parties denounce Iran (Republicans) and Russia (Democrats), the cosy relationship with Saudi Arabia and its massive influence is never mentioned.
4. America is a breaker of agreements. Iran deal being the most infamous latest one.
5. America's enemies were all once friends. For example, The Shah of Iran was America's friend but then America changed sides, supported the 'Islamic side' of the revolution (against the 'communists' of course) and then fell out with the new regime too.
6. America has a track record of supporting some of the world's most notorious dictators like Pinochet and Galtieri in South America, the Saudis in the Middle East, Suharto and Marcos in SE Asia, Batista and the Duvaliers in the Caribbean, Mobutu in Zaire and (surprise surprise) Saddam and the Taliban.
7. Parts of America remain poor and underdeveloped.
8. Racism, misogyny and sectarianism are rife in some places and politicians pander to this minority.
9. Big business including the arms industry and stock market dominate and wars are fought to make arms dealers and stock market speculators rich.
10. They often can hide all the evil they do well.

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

But as we all know America doesn't need to put boots on the ground ,they can hammer most countries military infrastructure from the the air or sea without having to put boots on the ground they don't need regime change they can do sufficient damage to set back Iran or others years or possibly decades,
We know isreal is also more than capable of hitting Iran opening up another conflict Iran has to defend against ,it's all well firing missiles blindly hoping to hit something to cause some damage ,

Isreal I believe has the capability to hit iran .


Iran has missiles and mountains which as you very well know in combat isn't worth a damn if you can be physically be stopped from leaving or launching

You forget one thing, Hezbollah, Israel attacking Iran and they would release a barrage of missiles on Israel, they handed Israel their asses a few years ago and the Israeli "invincible" Merkava tank was no match for Russian anti tank Kornets, it became a Merkava slaughter when they caught them in that valley...

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

See there you go again equating shooting down of a slow moving unarmed surveillance drone to being a major military super power ,

Wow they have silos really ........





(Might save on the funeral costs)

RQ4 Global hawk speed can fly over 400mph a hour is not slow and fly up to 60,000 feet.

It lot harder to hit targets high up in the air. Vice President Pence even admitted Iran locked onto a highly sophicated survilllence plane in the air too with 35 crew onboard and made the choice not shot it down. Iran is showing it air defence can track US planes at high altitudes.

The Vietcog used an underground system effectively during the Vietnam war to move equipment and troops around the battlefield. It lot harder to take out troops and equipment deep underground. Iran tunnel system could run for miles underground and have many exit and entry points to escape.

Cheerful Spring2

cameramonkey wrote: »

Saudi Arabia and professional army should never go in the same sentence.

I know what you saying, but the Saudis are using their own armed forces to fight the houties. There partner in this fight UAE is now retreating from the fight and returning its military home. A boost for the houtis in Yemen.

Cheerful Spring2

archer22 wrote: »

Interesting that Iran is able to get all that military equipment through the blockade.

They must be sailing around (or under) the dumb old yankees and Saudis :pac:.

Whichever it is it shows a high level of military competency.

Parts were likely smuggled in and assembled together in Yemen. The Houtis are attacking targets in Saudi Arabia with drones, bombing Airports and energy facilities. The official media barely reports on this and Saudis are not releasing new information about the damage caused by the drone attacks. Houtis are attacking Saudi Arabia easily and bought US air defences are not stopping the attacks. Houtis are now showing off better drones and better missiles that can travel further into Saudi Arabia terrtory. The video is just a display the houtis are recieving better stuff to attack Saudi Arabia.

cameramonkey

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I know what you saying, but the Saudis are using their own armed forces to fight the houties. There partner in this fight UAE is now retreating from the fight and returning its military home. A boost for the houtis in Yemen.

the Saudis seem to run away from a lot of firefights and leave their brand new western equipment for the Houtis to blow up or commandeer. Their army would not last if their air-force was not dominant. There are many mercenerys fighting on their side too. They would be steamrolled in a day if they had to fight Iran without US backup.

cameramonkey

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/09/yemen-uae-confirms-withdrawal-from-port-city-of-hodeidah

We are are going but we still support you says the UAE, great victory for the sandal clad fighters.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

RQ4 Global hawk speed can fly over 400mph a hour is not slow and fly up to 60,000 feet.

It takes a few seconds for a anti-aircraft missile to track and shoot down a low speed unarmed aircraft .

It's really simple ..

Just to compare highly trained russian forces managed to shoot down flight MH17 over Ukraine using a buk which they couldn't differentiate the difference between a fighter jet and a large civilian airliner ,




Here you are again bigging up someone's military capabilities with zero knowledge of military systems

BloodBath

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

RQ4 Global hawk speed can fly over 400mph a hour is not slow and fly up to 60,000 feet.

It lot harder to hit targets high up in the air. Vice President Pence even admitted Iran locked onto a highly sophicated survilllence plane in the air too with 35 crew onboard and made the choice not shot it down. Iran is showing it air defence can track US planes at high altitudes.

The Vietcog used an underground system effectively during the Vietnam war to move equipment and troops around the battlefield. It lot harder to take out troops and equipment deep underground. Iran tunnel system could run for miles underground and have many exit and entry points to escape.

400mph is pretty slow in fairness. Some propeller based planes in WW2 could go faster than that 80 odd years ago.

Modern AA missile systems can track targets that high easily and travel in excess of 3000mph.

Your only hope is outrunning the range of those missiles but you would probably want an SR-71 blackbird to do that.

cameramonkey

BloodBath wrote: »

400mph is pretty slow in fairness. Some propeller based planes in WW2 could go faster than that 80 odd years ago.

Modern AA missile systems can track targets that high easily and travel in excess of 3000mph.

Your only hope is outrunning the range of those missiles but you would probably want an SR-71 blackbird to do that.

Speed is not the only thing that defeats missiles. There are a whole range of anti missile systems on US aircraft. I would imagine that the US aircraft had a range of missile defense systems.

cameramonkey

Gatling wrote: »

It takes a few seconds for a anti-aircraft missile to track and shoot down a low speed unarmed aircraft .

It's really simple ..

Just to compare highly trained russian forces managed to shoot down flight MH17 over Ukraine using a buk which they couldn't differentiate the difference between a fighter jet and a large civilian airliner ,




Here you are again bigging up someone's military capabilities with zero knowledge of military systems

A bit like the US shooting down an Iranian airliner flying on a regular passenger schedule by mistaking it for an attacking aircraft.

An indecent in which the US repeatedly lied about aspects of the shooting down.

Gringo180

cameramonkey wrote: »

A bit like the US shooting down an Iranian airliner flying on a regular passenger schedule by mistaking it for an attacking aircraft.

An indecent in which the US repeatedly lied about aspects of the shooting down.

But, but, but, but, but, PUTINBOT!!

cameramonkey

Gatling wrote: »

It takes a few seconds for a anti-aircraft missile to track and shoot down a low speed unarmed aircraft .

It's really simple ..

Just to compare highly trained russian forces managed to shoot down flight MH17 over Ukraine using a buk which they couldn't differentiate the difference between a fighter jet and a large civilian airliner ,




Here you are again bigging up someone's military capabilities with zero knowledge of military systems

It takes a lot longer than a few seconds to track and then launch and then for the missile to hit a high flying aircraft like the one shot down by the Iranians.
You have zero knowledge of military systems

smurfjed

@dog man star

The invasion of Iraq was not a war, it was an invasion to steal oil.

Wasnt the first war started by Saddam drilling under Kuwait and stealing their oil/?

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smurfjed wrote: »

@dog man star

Wasnt the first war started by Saddam drilling under Kuwait and stealing their oil/?

I think he just straight up invaded Kuwait and used chemical weapons on them.

I always knew very little about Kuwait and it's still very quiet in the region.


They're doing well for themselves by the looks of it though, compared to the shells of their neighbours left.

smurfjed

The wars in the middle east and beyond after the cold war in large part were work schemes for the military industrial complex, Raytheon, Lockheed, Boeing,the likes of them can't tolerate peace for very long.

But yet Germany, UK and USA are voting against Saudi getting arms to fight in Yemen, so it doesnt appear that these governments are defining their policies based upon the desires of their defence contractors.

smurfjed

@jimmy garlic

The US consistently encroached on Russian and Chinese interests not vice versa.

So are you saying that Russian interests in Syria and Venezuela are a good thing?

smurfjed

@Gatling

Wonder if they are using all the sudden bravado to cover up issues at home

Yep so looks like it.

The Iranian people are absolutely amazing and do not deserve this crap.

Gatling

cameramonkey wrote: »

Speed is not the only thing that defeats missiles. There are a whole range of anti missile systems on US aircraft. I would imagine that the US aircraft had a range of missile defense systems.

The Triton drone that was shot down actually has zero defensive capabilties ,
Other manned surveillance airfare would have electronic counter measures and chaff but not physical weapon capabilities .

Thought rumour has it in some situations f22s provide overwatch for some aircraft

smurfjed

@Jimmy garlic

The Saudi King appreciates that all this is distracting from his order to torture then chop up a journalist before dissolving him in acid in the Saudi embassy in London

If you cannot get the simple facts correct, then you have become irrelevant in this discussion.